Bimax consultation coming up. What questions should I ask and should I prepare anything?

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So my Bimax consultation got delayed to the 1st of december. I thought I would use the next couple of days to create some questions. Pictures below, please try and ignore my discoloured teeth and awful haircut. They are subhuman and my enamel didn't form properly so they are permanently discoloured. I will try more aggressive teeth whitening solutions. Veneers + trimax + braces are too expensive for me. I need to buy a house ffs.



I will probably add some PSL autism to this (line theory, FWHR etc) to this later.

Questions I can think of:

Cost/funding. I will ask for a quote for bimax + genioplasty and also how they want to recieve payment for the surgery.

Outline of surgery procedures and movements. What I expecet is a 3 piece lefort 1, BSSO and a genioplasty. Maybe SAPRE but the orthodonist offered me a quad helix epander. Apparently its simillar to MSE except the helix expander is preloaded, so I don't have to turn the device manually. I am unsure of the exact movements so I will take notes of what he says and compare it to what a more reputable maxfac surgeon says in the future.

I will also ask if they perform distraction osteogenesis because this appears to be the ideal orthoganic surgery (I really fucking doubt it but worth a shot).

Recovery time and hospital fee's. I would assume it would be included in the quoted cost, but I don't want any nasty suprises.

Nerve Damage, complications and bone reabsorbtion. I would ask what I could do and what they would do to minimise the risk of these occurring. I would also enquire about revision surgeries (but I really donn't want any revision surgeries.).

Cheekbone arguementations discuss if they do custom implants for better undereye support and defined cheekbones. I think I will be looking for a custom submalar implant, but I will do more research.

Ask for previous results/pictures (I will post them here).

Concerns about a gummy smile post operation.
If I didn't have an open bite I would have a gummy smile. Im assuming during a 3 piece lefort 1 they will bring the midsection of my upper jaw down to align with my lower jaw. I am unsure what causes a gummy smile but I know its not particuarly aesthetic. Although based on this picture my FWHR ratio is decent (although I am convinced irl I have a longer midface, idk).

Their personal opinion and vision for optimal facial aesthetics.
Important question, I need to know the surgeon has a simillar vision to me.

Anymore questions to ask or is this enough?
 
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What are your goals for bimax? I don't see much recession and advancing your mandible would throw off your harmony. You already have good browridge -> chin alignment. Only flaw I see are the folds which may be fixed with expansion alone.

I think your teeth are 10x more of a failo than your jaw. So braces + expansion should be enough.
 
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no bimax for your nct @OldVirgin
 
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brush your teeth nigga @OldVirgin
 
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i dont think bimax will be a huge psl increase as you think. I think the main problem is your midface and orbits. Which tbh not much you can do there other than a few plastic surgeries.
 
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What are your goals for bimax? I don't see much recession and advancing your mandible would throw off your harmony. You already have good browridge -> chin alignment. Only flaw I see are the folds which may be fixed with expansion alone.

I think your teeth are 10x more of a failo than your jaw. So braces + expansion should be enough.
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Right is ideal (I don't want to look identical brian whittaker) he is just an example of an ideal mulatto.

In reality I am chasing some absurd idea of perfection so I feel better about myself. However I have an objective flaw with my face which could be fixed, although I am unsure how all the bones interact together (bone movement from proper tongue posture). Idk if just advancing both jaws a few mm will look natrual, or more importantly good. Modified lefort 3 would be ideal imo, but I don't want the orthos to think I have bdd. I will have to word it differently, relating to my desire for more cheekbone definition.

I am only slightly recessed but I want space for all my teeth in my mouth without extractions. Angle partial erupted wisdom teeth + crowding means I am recessed. The ortho also said"if you want the rolls rocye result, you need advance both jaws" after I persisted that I needed it. Its just a few mm but thats what looksmaxxing is about right? Although real life things like money are getting in the way of my fantasy :lul::lul:.

Your mention about the browridge + chin alignment is valid, I also share an simillar concern. Genioplasty may be cope for me and if my jaw is to far foward I may get dogmaxxed due to fucked harmony. I don't want to be messing around with brow ridge implants because I will definetly end up looking like a gay alien looksmax chad.

Regardless I can't avoid jaw surgery anyway due to having an open bite. The single comment an ortho made to me when I was 18 changed my life. I doubt I would be here rn if he didn't tell me that. Or I would have got camoflauge orthodontics.
 
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i dont think bimax will be a huge psl increase as you think. I think the main problem is your midface and orbits. Which tbh not much you can do there other than a few plastic surgeries.
Implants are an option but I would need to make sure they are modest enough to look natural. Some niggas get eppleymaxxed and get huge implants which look unnatrual..
 
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Are you actually mulatto? Off topic, but here is a few things that could improve. You need an NT black guy haircut, something with a fade that looks like this
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Upper lip is pretty dark, and you could probably lighten ur skin if you really want the mulatto look
Need to fix your nct and dark circles as well tbh (canthoplasty, infraorbital rim implants)

You have good jaw width and chin height though, you just lack angularity. You have a decent amount of submental fat looking at your side profile.

Are you planning on getting CCW rotation?
 
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You could be a good candidate for MSE. I would be concerned about DJS movements giving you a chimp appearance.
 
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So my Bimax consultation got delayed to the 1st of december. I thought I would use the next couple of days to create some questions. Pictures below, please try and ignore my discoloured teeth and awful haircut. They are subhuman and my enamel didn't form properly so they are permanently discoloured. I will try more aggressive teeth whitening solutions. Veneers + trimax + braces are too expensive for me. I need to buy a house ffs.



I will probably add some PSL autism to this (line theory, FWHR etc) to this later.

Questions I can think of:

Cost/funding. I will ask for a quote for bimax + genioplasty and also how they want to recieve payment for the surgery.

Outline of surgery procedures and movements. What I expecet is a 3 piece lefort 1, BSSO and a genioplasty. Maybe SAPRE but the orthodonist offered me a quad helix epander. Apparently its simillar to MSE except the helix expander is preloaded, so I don't have to turn the device manually. I am unsure of the exact movements so I will take notes of what he says and compare it to what a more reputable maxfac surgeon says in the future.

I will also ask if they perform distraction osteogenesis because this appears to be the ideal orthoganic surgery (I really fucking doubt it but worth a shot).

Recovery time and hospital fee's. I would assume it would be included in the quoted cost, but I don't want any nasty suprises.

Nerve Damage, complications and bone reabsorbtion. I would ask what I could do and what they would do to minimise the risk of these occurring. I would also enquire about revision surgeries (but I really donn't want any revision surgeries.).

Cheekbone arguementations discuss if they do custom implants for better undereye support and defined cheekbones. I think I will be looking for a custom submalar implant, but I will do more research.

Ask for previous results/pictures (I will post them here).

Concerns about a gummy smile post operation.
If I didn't have an open bite I would have a gummy smile. Im assuming during a 3 piece lefort 1 they will bring the midsection of my upper jaw down to align with my lower jaw. I am unsure what causes a gummy smile but I know its not particuarly aesthetic. Although based on this picture my FWHR ratio is decent (although I am convinced irl I have a longer midface, idk).

Their personal opinion and vision for optimal facial aesthetics. Important question, I need to know the surgeon has a simillar vision to me.

Anymore questions to ask or is this enough?


If you are tall around 6ft , then what you currently have is already good enough just get your teeth straightened out and you can just focus on softmaxxing (gym, clothing ect).

Would be careful with that ortho , can't tell if he has your best interest or is shilling you products. If your ortho can get insurance to cover it that's a huge milestone.

However I'm all about improving yourself in any way possible, so I can see a bimax (specifically upper jaw surgery not really lower jaw surgery) and custom infraorbital malar implants improving you + straightened teeth.

But the question is the risk to benefit ratio worth it also the costs to benefit ratio . This is a brutal journey, in every possible way.

Personally if i was in your place I would just get my teeth straightened and looking good , gym max (possiblly roids) - then become hyper NT (good social circle , going out to bars/clubs ect)
 
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Short faced chad
 
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Better getting palate expanded first
 
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Are you actually mulatto? Off topic, but here is a few things that could improve. You need an NT black guy haircut, something with a fade that looks like this

Upper lip is pretty dark, and you could probably lighten ur skin if you really want the mulatto look
Need to fix your nct and dark circles as well tbh (canthoplasty, infraorbital rim implants)

You have good jaw width and chin height though, you just lack angularity. You have a decent amount of submental fat looking at your side profile.

Are you planning on getting CCW rotation?
Thanks for the feedback! I am mulatto/mixed race, what pheno do you think I have? My mum is west african and my dad is british.

Not interested in lightening my skin, I got over the whole "wanting to be white" thing years ago. I don't have shitskin so idgaf.

Definetly getting infraorbital rim implants for better undereye support (Will get infraorbital-malar implants for better cheekbone projection). Not a huge fan of the canthoplasty results I have seen so I probably won't be getting this proceedure. I do recognise my NCT as a flaw but money is a constraint.

Submental fat is genetic, my sister has perfect facial development but her face is still chubby. I am low bodyfat (visible abs so sub 15%). I could get it removed, especially for my double chin but for now I am focused on fixing my teeth.

I am unsure about CCW, I want to say no but I will ask my surgeon first. On my X rays my occusal plane looks neutral. I will also be getting multiple consultations once I have more money.
 
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I don't have shitskin so idgaf.
who's going to tell him

and i agree you should fix your teeth and palate first. wouldn't that be neccesary to see where your bite is if you want bimax? a wider palate could fill out your naso folds too so you might not need bimax
 
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Better getting palate expanded first
You could be a good candidate for MSE. I would be concerned about DJS movements giving you a chimp appearance.
My ortho outlined that he would give me a quad helix expander. I can't find my information on it but apparently its simillar to MSE just that its preloaded. I don't have to turn my device with a quad helix expander.

I am assuming I would need SARPE because I am 22. Maybe the guy thought I was young or something.
 
If you are tall around 6ft , then what you currently have is already good enough just get your teeth straightened out and you can just focus on softmaxxing (gym, clothing ect).

Would be careful with that ortho , can't tell if he has your best interest or is shilling you products. If your ortho can get insurance to cover it that's a huge milestone.

However I'm all about improving yourself in any way possible, so I can see a bimax (specifically upper jaw surgery not really lower jaw surgery) and custom infraorbital malar implants improving you + straightened teeth.

But the question is the risk to benefit ratio worth it also the costs to benefit ratio . This is a brutal journey, in every possible way.

Personally if i was in your place I would just get my teeth straightened and looking good , gym max (possiblly roids) - then become hyper NT (good social circle , going out to bars/clubs ect)
I am 6ft 3 and currently gymcelling. Unfortunately I have lost a bit of weight 87kg -> 82kg due to working long hours (12 hour shifts :lul::ogre::feelswhy:) and not eating enough but with strict disiplince and sleep I will get back to peak form again. Haven't gotten much weaker though which is nice.

Ortho seems geninue, he wasn't trying to sell me anything. I persisted for a bimax consultation so he gave it to me. I have anterior open bite which can only be fixed surgically. Even if I just get braces I will always have the open bite. He also stated he would have to extract premolars, I really don't want to have my face pulled backwards with braces. I am of the opinion I get my teeth/jaw fixed properly once, then I can forget about it forever.

Cost is a large issue. My plan is to save up a large amount or money then decide whether I want to purchase a house and bimax. These are the only two things that matter to me right now. Currently I am of the opinion that the house can wait because I won't be young forever. All I have to do is wage grind from my parents house for just over a year and I will have enough money for bimax.

For me the risk + cost to benefit ratio of bimax is worth it. Anything to increase my non existent self esteem. Having a beatiful side profile and nice teeth would help me feel better about myself. My only concern is getting chimpmaxxed because I am not very recessed.

I will have to do something else to find some self worth because at this rate I will rope before I get bimax :lul:.
 
who's going to tell him

and i agree you should fix your teeth and palate first. wouldn't that be neccesary to see where your bite is if you want bimax? a wider palate could fill out your naso folds too so you might not need bimax
Just googled what shitskin means...

I thought it was just for currycels

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I am 6ft 3 and currently gymcelling. Unfortunately I have lost a bit of weight 87kg -> 82kg due to working long hours (12 hour shifts :lul::ogre::feelswhy:) and not eating enough but with strict disiplince and sleep I will get back to peak form again. Haven't gotten much weaker though which is nice.

Ortho seems geninue, he wasn't trying to sell me anything. I persisted for a bimax consultation so he gave it to me. I have anterior open bite which can only be fixed surgically. Even if I just get braces I will always have the open bite. He also stated he would have to extract premolars, I really don't want to have my face pulled backwards with braces. I am of the opinion I get my teeth/jaw fixed properly once, then I can forget about it forever.

Cost is a large issue. My plan is to save up a large amount or money then decide whether I want to purchase a house and bimax. These are the only two things that matter to me right now. Currently I am of the opinion that the house can wait because I won't be young forever. All I have to do is wage grind from my parents house for just over a year and I will have enough money for bimax.

For me the risk + cost to benefit ratio of bimax is worth it. Anything to increase my non existent self esteem. Having a beatiful side profile and nice teeth would help me feel better about myself. My only concern is getting chimpmaxxed because I am not very recessed.

I will have to do something else to find some self worth because at this rate I will rope before I get bimax :lul:.


See if insurance will cover it if not and cost is a large issue try brazil its like $6500 and has good Maxillofacial surgeons, they will also understand your pheno. Also they can add in in infraorbital malar implants .

its a brutal journey you are embarking.
 
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See if insurance will cover it if not and cost is a large issue try brazil its like $6500 and has good Maxillofacial surgeons, they will also understand your pheno. Also they can add in in infraorbital malar implants .

its a brutal journey you are embarking.
You got any names for me? I will look myself tomorrow. The main issue will be coordinating this with my orthodontist. The one I have consulted with won't work any maxfacs except for the ones in liverpool (Aintree hospital). Russia might not be bad either, considering its in europe.

I am probably underestimating just how brutal it will be. Despite this there is nothing else I want to do except for get a bimax.

As for cost its mainly just a time thing.
 
You got any names for me? I will look myself tomorrow. The main issue will be coordinating this with my orthodontist. The one I have consulted with won't work any maxfacs except for the ones in liverpool (Aintree hospital). Russia might not be bad either, considering its in europe.

I am probably underestimating just how brutal it will be. Despite this there is nothing else I want to do except for get a bimax.

As for cost its mainly just a time thing.

 
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$6500 for bimax/genio is crazy, there has to be a catch.:unsure: he might not do a good job on mayocels but he's still 3x cheaper than Ramieri somehow. did you consult with him? why did u choose Ramieri

Its just from what i heard, it's cheaper there was Brazil's wages are lower.

I chose Ramieri for multiple reasons , specialises in aesthetics, everything done remotely, does face make overs, treated me extremely well and was passionate also closer to me ect

It's not just about the money.
 
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What is line theory?
 
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afaik a Quad Helix Expander will just tip your teeth outwards and it's not bone-borne like MSE is.
 
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Pure autism you are going to look negligibly better

Fix your fucked up teeth and if you want surgery and infraorbital-malar implant would at least address a failo of yours instead of nonexistent recession. You don’t have visible zygos tbh
I am actually recessed though, its just not extreme. I was told I needed jaw surgery when I was 18 at an NHS consultation. This was long before I knew anything about facial aesthetics (although I was starting to get a general idea). To fix my fucked up teeth I need jaw surgery. Braces alone cannot fix my teeth.

If I just get braces my teeth will never be fixed.

I still plan on getting infraorbital-malar implants. I will get both simultaneously if possible.
 
Its just from what i heard, it's cheaper there was Brazil's wages are lower.

I chose Ramieri for multiple reasons , specialises in aesthetics, everything done remotely, does face make overs, treated me extremely well and was passionate also closer to me ect

It's not just about the money.
One of the reasons for lower prices in Brasil is the fact hat our currency has lost a lot of its value in the last two years
 
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I am actually recessed though, its just not extreme. I was told I needed jaw surgery when I was 18 at an NHS consultation. This was long before I knew anything about facial aesthetics (although I was starting to get a general idea). To fix my fucked up teeth I need jaw surgery. Braces alone cannot fix my teeth.

If I just get braces my teeth will never be fixed.

I still plan on getting infraorbital-malar implants. I will get both simultaneously if possible.
One of the reasons for lower prices in Brasil is the fact hat our currency has lost a lot of its value in the last two years
If the 3 of us all went to 1 of the Brazilian surgeons, we could probably get a pretty sweet discount with our collective bargaining
 
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If the 3 of us all went to 1 of the Brazilian surgeons, we could probably get a pretty sweet discount with our collective bargaining
Haha that's true :))
 

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