Can I use fin instead of dut while starting out on test cycle?

[ascendedd]

my supplier is out of DUT. I am starting test p at 250mg/week. Can fin work? I am also gonna take hgh with it 4 iu

@chadisbeingmade

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Main reason for Dut is skin. Fin will do nothing since it doesn’t hit 5ar1, which specially eviscerates elastin.

Will Fin prevent any hair loss? Maybe. Maybe not. Using Dut just takes out the guesswork while giving the aforementioned benefit.

I would find a way to get my hands on Dut (pref softgels), up the Test like people have probably mentioned and add RU for peace of mind.

 

[Nexom]

Main reason for Dut is skin. Fin will do nothing since it doesn’t hit 5ar1, which specially eviscerates elastin.

Will Fin prevent any hair loss? Maybe. Maybe not. Using Dut just takes out the guesswork while giving the aforementioned benefit.

I would find a way to get my hands on Dut (pref softgels), up the Test like people have probably mentioned and add RU for peace of mind.

The RU addition

 

[ascendedd]

Main reason for Dut is skin. Fin will do nothing since it doesn’t hit 5ar1, which specially eviscerates elastin.

Will Fin prevent any hair loss? Maybe. Maybe not. Using Dut just takes out the guesswork while giving the aforementioned benefit.

I would find a way to get my hands on Dut (pref softgels), up the Test like people have probably mentioned and add RU for peace of mind.

i wanna start out slow with 250mg/week and then slowly titrate up. Do u think it will eviscerate my elastin at this low dose? I know i am shutting my natural T production but atleast sides will be more manageable with low dose. I am gonna pair HGH with it.

Do u think i should start DUT once i titrate upto 400 mg/week?

i dont really care about hairloss, i got extremely strong hair genes. just worried for skin.

And how do you deal with pip of test P everyday?

 

[chadisbeingmade]

i wanna start out slow with 250mg/week and then slowly titrate up.

If you have the correct ancillaries on hand you won’t need to titrate. If you insist then at least titrate up quickly since you’ll be able to assess sides after 4-5 days at a given dose on Test P.

Do u think it will eviscerate my elastin at this low dose?

You will invariably cause premature elastin loss enhanced compared to natural without the right precautions. Will it be noticeable after a cycle at that dose? Prob not, no.

I am gonna pair HGH with it.

Mog

Do u think i should start DUT once i titrate upto 400 mg/week?

I would just use Dut off the rip, but adding Dut at any point is going to be better than not using it at all.

just worried for skin.

You can look into something like Winlevi or use RU on your skin (topical AA) also. Acne will always be a concern until you use Isotret and Dut. That is the literal cure.

And how do you deal with pip of test P everyday

Never had issues myself. I think many use chinese sourced Test which has higher conc of eo in them which can cause people PIP.

 

[decadouche57]

If you have the correct ancillaries on hand you won’t need to titrate. If you insist then at least titrate up quickly since you’ll be able to assess sides after 4-5 days at a given dose on Test P.


You will invariably cause premature elastin loss enhanced compared to natural without the right precautions. Will it be noticeable after a cycle at that dose? Prob not, no.


Mog


If I was you I would just use Dut off the rip, but adding Dut at any point is going to be better than not using it at all.


You can look into something like Winlevi or use RU on your skin (topical AA) also. Acne will always be a concern until you use Isotret and Dut. That is the literal cure.


Never had issues myself. I think many use chinese sourced Test which has higher conc of eo in them which can cause people PIP.

At 250 mg he is barely above high natty levels and is basically shutting down for minimal benefits unless this is life long TRT.

Dut also takes a month to saturate so he is best off sourcing it and bumping his dose to 500 mg

Also when you are taking Dut for the first month continue taking fin daily and stop it after a month when the Dut saturates

 

[ascendedd]

If you have the correct ancillaries on hand you won’t need to titrate. If you insist then at least titrate up quickly since you’ll be able to assess sides after 4-5 days at a given dose on Test P.


You will invariably cause premature elastin loss enhanced compared to natural without the right precautions. Will it be noticeable after a cycle at that dose? Prob not, no.


Mog


I would just use Dut off the rip, but adding Dut at any point is going to be better than not using it at all.


You can look into something like Winlevi or use RU on your skin (topical AA) also. Acne will always be a concern until you use Isotret and Dut. That is the literal cure.


Never had issues myself. I think many use chinese sourced Test which has higher conc of eo in them which can cause people PIP.

At 250 mg he is barely above high natty levels and is basically shutting down for minimal benefits unless this is life long TRT.

Dut also takes a month to saturate so he is best off sourcing it and bumping his dose to 500 mg

Also when you are taking Dut for the first month continue taking fin daily and stop it after a month when the Dut saturates

the biggest problem for me is sourcing DUT. My supplier is out so are many others. They have fin though but fin wont help with skin supposedly.
I am only gonna use accutane if and only if the acne appears on my face, idc about body acne

 

[chadisbeingmade]

At 250 mg he is barely above high natty levels and is basically shutting down for minimal benefits unless this is life long TRT.

Yes i’m aware. For some reason people insist on staying low or titrating. They probably find starting a cycle daunting or consider 500mg high, IDK. They usually realise it’s nothing to be worried about at all after they have started.

Dut also takes a month to saturate so he is best off sourcing it and bumping his dose to 500 mg

Also when you are taking Dut for the first month continue taking fin daily and stop it after a month when the Dut saturates

He can front load so none of these are an issue.

 

[Foreverbrad]

I’m getting good hair regrowth on 1mg of fin - no sides.
It’s actually astonishing, my NW0 should be back very soon. It was only slightly thinning at temples and front hairline.
Definitely recommend.

 

[ascendedd]

Yes i’m aware. For some reason people insist on staying low or titrating. They probably find starting a cycle daunting or consider 500mg high, IDK. They usually realise it’s nothing to be worried about at all after they have started.

The thing is that when you start low, you can easily gauge the side effects you get compared to starting off at a high dose and not knowing how much less to dial down to.

He can front load so none of these are an issue.

 

[chadisbeingmade]

The thing is that when you start low, you can easily gauge the side effects you get compared to starting off at a high dose and not knowing how much less to dial down to.

500mg isn’t a high dose and isn’t a random number either. It’s the dose at which, for the vast majority of people, the side effect profile is comparable, if not the same as the lower dosages.

I don’t know what your long term plans are but if it’s your one and only cycle titrating doesn’t make sense since you just prolong the inevitable and waste time. If you want a cycle that isn’t underwhelming you are inevitably going to have to increase the dose and counter whatever sides you get at that doses anyway with ancillaries. Wether you decided to titrate or not you will end up on the same ancillaries and dosage in the end, just took longer and left more gains on the table.

If you want to titrate that’s fine i’m not stopping you.

 

[decadouche57]

the biggest problem for me is sourcing DUT. My supplier is out so are many others. They have fin though but fin wont help with skin supposedly.
I am only gonna use accutane if and only if the acne appears on my face, idc about body acne

Why don’t you just get a prescription

 

[ascendedd]

Why don’t you just get a prescription

Too long to get a prescription