How to Benefit from MSE and Face Mask

[maxillamaxer]

First of all, make sure that you go to an experienced orthodontist. It would also be bad if your provider has a classical orthodontic perspective. He should be capable of understanding that your goal is to expand your face horizontally and that you do this in line with aesthetic concerns. After installing the MSE, ask your orthodontist specifically if one half of your face is less developed. If this is the case, you need to wear 2 times or 1 and a half times more elastic on the underdeveloped side. When you start turning the MSE, if there is still no gap between your teeth after the 7th turn, this is It indicates that MSE cannot expand your maxilla. If you are going to use a Face Mask, you should use the face mask for at least 23 hours a day for the first two months and increase the number of elastics every two weeks. The first two months are very important because a significant part of the forward growth occurs in the first 2 months, but you should still use a face mask for at least a year. If you notice asymmetry after a certain number of turns, stop turning and talk to your orthodontist immediately because this is your limit.

 

[Sir Galachad]

What's a face mask in this context?

 

[maxillamaxer]

What's a face mask in this context?

 

[Bobelbrah]

After installing the MSE, ask your orthodontist specifically if one half of your face is less developed. If this is the case, you need to wear 2 times or 1 and a half times more elastic on the underdeveloped side. When you start turning the MSE, if there is still no gap between your teeth after the 7th turn, this is It indicates that MSE cannot expand your maxilla.

Is this necessary even if you get EASE?

 

[maxillamaxer]

Is this necessary even if you get EASE?

in some cases MSE is not working even with EASE

 

[Deleted member 32669]

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what does it do

 

[IMOGYOU]

does it actually work
I mean I know that in theory it should mimic the results of a lefort 3 or a mfl3 but does it actually work in order to increase forward growth and to fix infraorbitals
wouldn't it be better if someone got the pterygomaxillary sutures opened in order to assist the movement of the maxilla
also why even turn the mse I already have big zygos and turning mse more will ruin my face the question is what if i stopped turning after I split the suture between 2 sides of my maxilla or just get my sutures surgically opened then wear a face mask till i get the movement i desire
but will it actually work
no that I'm recessed or really need that forward growth but as @HarrierDuBois said only for the maximum aesthetics possible

 

[IMOGYOU]

does it actually work
I mean I know that in theory it should mimic the results of a lefort 3 or a mfl3 but does it actually work in order to increase forward growth and to fix infraorbitals
wouldn't it be better if someone got the pterygomaxillary sutures opened in order to assist the movement of the maxilla
also why even turn the mse I already have big zygos and turning mse more will ruin my face the question is what if i stopped turning after I split the suture between 2 sides of my maxilla or just get my sutures surgically opened then wear a face mask till i get the movement i desire
but will it actually work
no that I'm recessed or really need that forward growth but as @HarrierDuBois said only for the maximum aesthetics possible

@HarrierDuBois would like to get your opinion as you are also looking forward to get lf3

 

[Krakowski]

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I thought this version had a risk of receding the chin?

 

[IMOGYOU]

I thought this version had a risk of receding the chin?

theoretically it does but there is a version of a facemask that doesn't

 

[Krakowski]

theoretically it does but there is a version of a facemask that doesn't

I know, thats one is the one im reffering to, face bow or whatever it's called.

 

[IMOGYOU]

I know, thats one is the one im reffering to, face bow or whatever it's called.

it rests on the chest instead of the chin

 

[HarrierDuBois]

@HarrierDuBois would like to get your opinion as you are also looking forward to get lf3

I am not getting lefort 3 tbh, lf 1 + implants can solve me.

 

[IMOGYOU]

I am not getting lefort 3 tbh, lf 1 + implants can solve me.

why? isnt it better to do lf3
also what do you think about mse + face mask + pterygomaxillary sutures opened
or same without mse

 

[Deleted member 31497]

@HarrierDuBois would like to get your opinion as you are also looking forward to get lf3

Lf3?!?!?!

 

[HarrierDuBois]

why? isnt it better to do lf3
also what do you think about mse + face mask + pterygomaxillary sutures opened
or same without mse

Not sure what that third thingammy is.

 

[IMOGYOU]

Not sure what that third thingammy is.

 

[HarrierDuBois]

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Not my plan, you do you.

 

[Deleted member 31155]

aint sarpe better than mse with less risks @tents

 

[Bobelbrah]

in some cases MSE is not working even with EASE

What I mean is, are the extra elastics necessary to bring up the more underdeveloped side, even if you get EASE? Assuming that the MSE succeeds in splitting the suture. Should just have quoted the following:

After installing the MSE, ask your orthodontist specifically if one half of your face is less developed. If this is the case, you need to wear 2 times or 1 and a half times more elastic on the underdeveloped side.

 

[Deleted member 31155]

Maxillary expansion is inherently unaesthetic.

The only methods of expansion you should look at is segmental Lefort 1 combined with some technique to reduce unadverse soft tissue effects if needed (alar cinch suture or subspinal Lefort cut I believe)

theres some kind of assymetry where my face looks compact in the right side but long, and narrow in the left side whenever i tilt my head in each side. what is causing this and how is it fixed?

 

[Deleted member 31155]

Surgery

That being said don't ask looksmax.org users things. Do research

i cant research anywhere else except here

 

[Deleted member 31155]

Over for your iq

should i make an acc in jawsurg forums

 

[Deleted member 31155]

No read stuff on NHIB or whatever it's called
Study database

That forum is long dead

alr thanks for the headstart

 

[Moldovancel]

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Maximum age for that shit to work?

 

[Deleted member 32529]

Getting this soon !!

 

[inwardgonionscel]

does it actually work
I mean I know that in theory it should mimic the results of a lefort 3 or a mfl3 but does it actually work in order to increase forward growth and to fix infraorbitals
wouldn't it be better if someone got the pterygomaxillary sutures opened in order to assist the movement of the maxilla
also why even turn the mse I already have big zygos and turning mse more will ruin my face the question is what if i stopped turning after I split the suture between 2 sides of my maxilla or just get my sutures surgically opened then wear a face mask till i get the movement i desire
but will it actually work
no that I'm recessed or really need that forward growth but as @HarrierDuBois said only for the maximum aesthetics possible

Just don't expend more than 2 or 3 milimeters and keep turning the mse back and forth while still pulling with the face mask

 

[inwardgonionscel]

Getting this soon !!

With who ?

 

[inwardgonionscel]

Maxillary expansion is inherently unaesthetic.

The only methods of expansion you should look at is segmental Lefort 1 combined with some technique to reduce unadverse soft tissue effects if needed (alar cinch suture or subspinal Lefort cut I believe)

Ur wrong it's not always unaesthetic as it depends on the people, segmental Lefort 1 for lateral expansion is the fucking dumbest this ever

 

[Deleted member 32529]

With who ?

Pm

 

[inwardgonionscel]

Pm

I can't

 

[inwardgonionscel]

You don't know what you're talking about son

Educate me then

 

[Ascensiontochad]

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wont the face mask just cause the jordan Barret dog face since its pulling at the teeth

 

[Moldovancel]

Ur wrong it's not always unaesthetic as it depends on the people, segmental Lefort 1 for lateral expansion is the fucking dumbest this ever

Segmental lefort 1 for lateral expansion is basically what SARPE is

 

[inwardgonionscel]

Segmental lefort 1 for lateral expansion is basically what SARPE is

I know, we can also expend more with sarpe than with segmental Lefort1 but both could ruin the chance of getting hollow cheeks

 

[Deleted member 32529]

I know, we can also expend more with sarpe than with segmental Lefort1 but both could ruin the chance of getting hollow cheeks

Segmental lefort 1 for lateral expansion is basically what SARPE is

SARPE for lateral expansion has many cons and few redeeming qualities

1. Expansion of palate without expansion of maxilla may lead to fuller cheeks (bad) as the ratio of palate width to maxilla/zygo width gets lower

2. Allows for less palate expansion than MSE

3. Does lead to airway benefits

4. Does not facilitate facepulling/possible remodelling of mid facial bones

 

[inwardgonionscel]

SARPE for lateral expansion has many cons and few redeeming qualities

1. Expansion of palate without expansion of maxilla may lead to fuller cheeks (bad) as the ratio of palate width to maxilla/zygo width gets lower

2. Allows for less palate expansion than MSE

3. Does lead to airway benefits

4. Does not facilitate facepulling/possible remodelling of mid facial bones

Exactly why i said it's shitty, segmental Lefort 2 like it's done with Coceancig won't change much both positively and negatively, probably a slightly wider smile and small nose breathing benefits

 

[bradpittshairline]

only libs wear masks

 

[Deleted member 8758]

I already settled the MSE + FM question.

FM A MEME.

Waste of time and money.