My Natty Looksmaxing Stack

[vinceharris]

Context: I’m a 25 year old white guy, 5’9, 145 lbs, trying to bulk and get jacked and higher testosterone while maintaining holistic health and not sacrificing too much longevity.

I'm just getting more into this now, so lmk if y'all have any feedback or things you would add. Lmk if you're curious why I picked any of these. But I read all of the best of the best, a couple other books in this realm and this is where I landed as a mostly natty approach. This is largely geared toward increasing testosterone and dimorphism.

Supplements:

• Athletic Greens
• Whey Protein (post workout)
• Creatine
• Boron
• Vitamin D
• Brazil Nuts (6 per day)
• Cod Liver Oil
• Collagen powder
• Vitamin b3

Lift:

• 5 days per week
• Push Pull Legs, 5:3:1 progressive overload
• Stretch a 3 times per week
• Working on the neck and traps as well

Skin

• Retin a before bed every day
• Cleansing- I use 2 previously dermatologist prescribed cleansers 1-2 times per day.
• Moisturizing with CeraVe PM (morning and evening)
• Sunscreen on face and neck, no sunscreen on rest of body while limiting sun exposure to less than 1 hour per day
• Walk outside in the sun for 30 minutes a day when it’s sunny (maybe twice a week in NYC winter)

Diet:

• Mostly paleo with lots of meat, smoothies with milk and peanut butter, some fish, vegetables- mostly spinach and nuts. I shop almost exclusively at Whole Foods.
• 4 Raw eggs per day
• I use the microwave to heat up almost every meal
• 2.8-3 k calories per day

Misc:

• Trying to use natural household items like toothpaste, conditioner, floss wherever possible
• Sleep 7-8 hours per night with no alarm clock for the morning
• When I want sex drive to be high (most of the time) daily supplement which includes maca root, horny goat, ashwaghanda, penax ginseng, tribulus, saw palmetto, fenugreek, tongkat ali, shilajit, black pepper
• Tanning: Daily Betacarotene, Astaxanthin
• No porn (currently trying to quit)
• Alcohol once per week
• No weed or other drugs
• Meditate once per week, read nightly
• Drink out of steel water bottle, water filtered by berkey filter
• I don’t keep my phone in my pocket and wear wired headphones
• I have a beard and mustache. Not super strong or thick but it's something. I've been growing it for a couple of months to look older.

Things I want to incorporate next:

• Jiu jitsu/fighting
• Oura ring or something to better track sleep
• Dyed black hair (mine is currently brown)
• Heavy stubble (once I can grow)
• A few tattoos
• Considering: Melanotan II

 

[Posmo]

might be a bit too much, remember this guy just looks like this

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

might be a bit too much, remember this guy just looks like this

make him hit the gym couple times a week and he'll up his appeal significantly

 

[Deleted member 14138]

Context: I’m a 25 year old white guy, 5’9, 145 lbs, trying to bulk and get jacked and higher testosterone while maintaining holistic health and not sacrificing too much longevity.

I'm just getting more into this now, so lmk if y'all have any feedback or things you would add. Lmk if you're curious why I picked any of these. But I read all of the best of the best, a couple other books in this realm and this is where I landed as a mostly natty approach. This is largely geared toward increasing testosterone and dimorphism.

Supplements:

• Athletic Greens
• Whey Protein (post workout)
• Creatine
• Boron
• Vitamin D
• Brazil Nuts (6 per day)
• Cod Liver Oil
• Collagen powder
• Vitamin b3

Lift:

• 5 days per week
• Push Pull Legs, 5:3:1 progressive overload
• Stretch a 3 times per week
• Working on the neck and traps as well

Skin

• Retin a before bed every day
• Cleansing- I use 2 previously dermatologist prescribed cleansers 1-2 times per day.
• Moisturizing with CeraVe PM (morning and evening)
• Sunscreen on face and neck, no sunscreen on rest of body while limiting sun exposure to less than 1 hour per day
• Walk outside in the sun for 30 minutes a day when it’s sunny (maybe twice a week in NYC winter)

Diet:

• Mostly paleo with lots of meat, smoothies with milk and peanut butter, some fish, vegetables- mostly spinach and nuts. I shop almost exclusively at Whole Foods.
• 4 Raw eggs per day
• I use the microwave to heat up almost every meal
• 2.8-3 k calories per day

Misc:

• Trying to use natural household items like toothpaste, conditioner, floss wherever possible
• Sleep 7-8 hours per night with no alarm clock for the morning
• When I want sex drive to be high (most of the time) daily supplement which includes maca root, horny goat, ashwaghanda, penax ginseng, tribulus, saw palmetto, fenugreek, tongkat ali, shilajit, black pepper
• Tanning: Daily Betacarotene, Astaxanthin
• No porn (currently trying to quit)
• Alcohol once per week
• No weed or other drugs
• Meditate once per week, read nightly
• Drink out of steel water bottle, water filtered by berkey filter
• I don’t keep my phone in my pocket and wear wired headphones
• I have a beard and mustache. Not super strong or thick but it's something. I've been growing it for a couple of months to look older.

Things I want to incorporate next:

• Jiu jitsu/fighting
• Oura ring or something to better track sleep
• Dyed black hair (mine is currently brown)
• Heavy stubble (once I can grow)
• A few tattoos
• Considering: Melanotan II

If you plateaued at 150, you'd be OP looking. Plus as a natty you're most likely not gonna get much bigger than that.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Context: I’m a 25 year old white guy, 5’9, 145 lbs, trying to bulk and get jacked and higher testosterone while maintaining holistic health and not sacrificing too much longevity.

I'm just getting more into this now, so lmk if y'all have any feedback or things you would add. Lmk if you're curious why I picked any of these. But I read all of the best of the best, a couple other books in this realm and this is where I landed as a mostly natty approach. This is largely geared toward increasing testosterone and dimorphism.

Supplements:

• Athletic Greens
• Whey Protein (post workout)
• Creatine
• Boron
• Vitamin D
• Brazil Nuts (6 per day)
• Cod Liver Oil
• Collagen powder
• Vitamin b3

Whey protein and Multivitamin ( centrum pills for instance) is enough

Lift:

• 5 days per week
• Push Pull Legs, 5:3:1 progressive overload
• Stretch a 3 times per week
• Working on the neck and traps as well

Isn't 3 times better to properly regenerate especially since you also want to do fighting multiple times per week soon

Skin

• Retin a before bed every day
• Cleansing- I use 2 previously dermatologist prescribed cleansers 1-2 times per day.
• Moisturizing with CeraVe PM (morning and evening)
• Sunscreen on face and neck, no sunscreen on rest of body while limiting sun exposure to less than 1 hour per day
• Walk outside in the sun for 30 minutes a day when it’s sunny (maybe twice a week in NYC winter)

Similar to mine : CeraVe moisturiser in the morning after washing the face , Tretinoin 0.25% before bed

Diet:

• Mostly paleo with lots of meat, smoothies with milk and peanut butter, some fish, vegetables- mostly spinach and nuts. I shop almost exclusively at Whole Foods.
• 4 Raw eggs per day
• I use the microwave to heat up almost every meal
• 2.8-3 k calories per day

Sounds really high-protein and healthy

Misc:

• Trying to use natural household items like toothpaste, conditioner, floss wherever possible
• Sleep 7-8 hours per night with no alarm clock for the morning
• When I want sex drive to be high (most of the time) daily supplement which includes maca root, horny goat, ashwaghanda, penax ginseng, tribulus, saw palmetto, fenugreek, tongkat ali, shilajit, black pepper

I use ashwaganda and zinc for sex drive and it works

• Tanning: Daily Betacarotene, Astaxanthin

Tanning is cope unless severely ill-looking pale and gives wrinkles later

Astaxanthin and beta carotene is cope

• No porn (currently trying to quit)
• Alcohol once per week
• No weed or other drugs
• Meditate once per week, read nightly
• Drink out of steel water bottle, water filtered by berkey filter
• I don’t keep my phone in my pocket and wear wired headphones

Strong Copes right here

• I have a beard and mustache. Not super strong or thick but it's something. I've been growing it for a couple of months to look older.

You want roasties?

Things I want to incorporate next:

• Jiu jitsu/fighting

Muay Thai is also very good

• Oura ring or something to better track sleep
• Dyed black hair (mine is currently brown)

Don't, Brown > black hair for overall SMV
Eyebrows should always be black though

• Heavy stubble (once I can grow)
• A few tattoos
• Considering: Melanotan II

Copes

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Context: I’m a 25 year old white guy, 5’9, 145 lbs, trying to bulk and get jacked and higher testosterone while maintaining holistic health and not sacrificing too much longevity.

I'm just getting more into this now, so lmk if y'all have any feedback or things you would add. Lmk if you're curious why I picked any of these. But I read all of the best of the best, a couple other books in this realm and this is where I landed as a mostly natty approach. This is largely geared toward increasing testosterone and dimorphism.

Supplements:

• Athletic Greens
• Whey Protein (post workout)
• Creatine
• Boron
• Vitamin D
• Brazil Nuts (6 per day)
• Cod Liver Oil
• Collagen powder
• Vitamin b3

Lift:

• 5 days per week
• Push Pull Legs, 5:3:1 progressive overload
• Stretch a 3 times per week
• Working on the neck and traps as well

Skin

• Retin a before bed every day
• Cleansing- I use 2 previously dermatologist prescribed cleansers 1-2 times per day.
• Moisturizing with CeraVe PM (morning and evening)
• Sunscreen on face and neck, no sunscreen on rest of body while limiting sun exposure to less than 1 hour per day
• Walk outside in the sun for 30 minutes a day when it’s sunny (maybe twice a week in NYC winter)

Diet:

• Mostly paleo with lots of meat, smoothies with milk and peanut butter, some fish, vegetables- mostly spinach and nuts. I shop almost exclusively at Whole Foods.
• 4 Raw eggs per day
• I use the microwave to heat up almost every meal
• 2.8-3 k calories per day

Misc:

• Trying to use natural household items like toothpaste, conditioner, floss wherever possible
• Sleep 7-8 hours per night with no alarm clock for the morning
• When I want sex drive to be high (most of the time) daily supplement which includes maca root, horny goat, ashwaghanda, penax ginseng, tribulus, saw palmetto, fenugreek, tongkat ali, shilajit, black pepper
• Tanning: Daily Betacarotene, Astaxanthin
• No porn (currently trying to quit)
• Alcohol once per week
• No weed or other drugs
• Meditate once per week, read nightly
• Drink out of steel water bottle, water filtered by berkey filter
• I don’t keep my phone in my pocket and wear wired headphones
• I have a beard and mustache. Not super strong or thick but it's something. I've been growing it for a couple of months to look older.

Things I want to incorporate next:

• Jiu jitsu/fighting
• Oura ring or something to better track sleep
• Dyed black hair (mine is currently brown)
• Heavy stubble (once I can grow)
• A few tattoos
• Considering: Melanotan II

Use peptides

 

[vinceharris]

Use peptides

Which ones?

 

[jfcage]

Whey protein and Multivitamin ( centrum pills for instance) is enough

Isn't 3 times better to properly regenerate especially since you also want to do fighting multiple times per week soon

Similar to mine : CeraVe moisturiser in the morning after washing the face , Tretinoin 0.25% before bed

Sounds really high-protein and healthy

I use ashwaganda and zinc for sex drive and it works

Tanning is cope unless severely ill-looking pale and gives wrinkles later

Astaxanthin and beta carotene is cope

Strong Copes right here

You want roasties?

Muay Thai is also very good

Don't, Brown > black hair for overall SMV
Eyebrows should always be black though

Copes

How is Melanotan II a cope?

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Which ones?

This stack gives his gf 10ius of gh worth

Cjc dac, mk 677, and huperzine A

Runs you $90 a month

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

How is Melanotan II a cope?

Darkening skin is cope. Its against JBW law.

 

[vinceharris]

Darkening skin is cope. Its against JBW law.

Why keep skin light rather than tan and why hair brown over black? Those both seem to be against consensus here.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Why keep skin light rather than tan and why hair brown over black? Those both seem to be against consensus here.

The whiter ( w brown hair and black eyebrows) , the more attractive.
White is associated with higher socioeconomic status.

 

[0kami123]

Context: I’m a 25 year old white guy, 5’9, 145 lbs, trying to bulk and get jacked and higher testosterone while maintaining holistic health and not sacrificing too much longevity.

I'm just getting more into this now, so lmk if y'all have any feedback or things you would add. Lmk if you're curious why I picked any of these. But I read all of the best of the best, a couple other books in this realm and this is where I landed as a mostly natty approach. This is largely geared toward increasing testosterone and dimorphism.

Supplements:

• Athletic Greens
• Whey Protein (post workout)
• Creatine
• Boron
• Vitamin D
• Brazil Nuts (6 per day)
• Cod Liver Oil
• Collagen powder
• Vitamin b3

Lift:

• 5 days per week
• Push Pull Legs, 5:3:1 progressive overload
• Stretch a 3 times per week
• Working on the neck and traps as well

Skin

• Retin a before bed every day
• Cleansing- I use 2 previously dermatologist prescribed cleansers 1-2 times per day.
• Moisturizing with CeraVe PM (morning and evening)
• Sunscreen on face and neck, no sunscreen on rest of body while limiting sun exposure to less than 1 hour per day
• Walk outside in the sun for 30 minutes a day when it’s sunny (maybe twice a week in NYC winter)

Diet:

• Mostly paleo with lots of meat, smoothies with milk and peanut butter, some fish, vegetables- mostly spinach and nuts. I shop almost exclusively at Whole Foods.
• 4 Raw eggs per day
• I use the microwave to heat up almost every meal
• 2.8-3 k calories per day

Misc:

• Trying to use natural household items like toothpaste, conditioner, floss wherever possible
• Sleep 7-8 hours per night with no alarm clock for the morning
• When I want sex drive to be high (most of the time) daily supplement which includes maca root, horny goat, ashwaghanda, penax ginseng, tribulus, saw palmetto, fenugreek, tongkat ali, shilajit, black pepper
• Tanning: Daily Betacarotene, Astaxanthin
• No porn (currently trying to quit)
• Alcohol once per week
• No weed or other drugs
• Meditate once per week, read nightly
• Drink out of steel water bottle, water filtered by berkey filter
• I don’t keep my phone in my pocket and wear wired headphones
• I have a beard and mustache. Not super strong or thick but it's something. I've been growing it for a couple of months to look older.

Things I want to incorporate next:

• Jiu jitsu/fighting
• Oura ring or something to better track sleep
• Dyed black hair (mine is currently brown)
• Heavy stubble (once I can grow)
• A few tattoos
• Considering: Melanotan II

look into muay thai or kickboxing.

 

[jfcage]

Darkening skin is cope. Its against JBW law.

The W in JBW means Caucasian facial features. It doesn't mean that you should have the skin tone of a 2 month old dead body in the river. Melanotan 2 is legit for those pale skinned males who can't get a tan naturally.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

The W in JBW means Caucasian facial features. It doesn't mean that you should have the skin tone of a 2 month old dead body in the river. Melanotan 2 is legit for those pale skinned males who can't get a tan naturally.

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The whiter ( w brown hair and black eyebrows) , the more attractive.
White is associated with higher socioeconomic status.

 

[eduardkoopman]

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The whiter ( w brown hair and black eyebrows) , the more attractive.
White is associated with higher socioeconomic status.

Wow.
although to me, the 2nd layer people, look better than first layer people.
From pale unhealthy looking, to tan glow healthy looking but still obviously white people

Context: I’m a 25 year old white guy, 5’9, 145 lbs, trying to bulk and get jacked and higher testosterone while maintaining holistic health and not sacrificing too much longevity.

I'm just getting more into this now, so lmk if y'all have any feedback or things you would add. Lmk if you're curious why I picked any of these. But I read all of the best of the best, a couple other books in this realm and this is where I landed as a mostly natty approach. This is largely geared toward increasing testosterone and dimorphism.

Supplements:

• Athletic Greens
• Whey Protein (post workout)
• Creatine
• Boron
• Vitamin D
• Brazil Nuts (6 per day)
• Cod Liver Oil
• Collagen powder
• Vitamin b3

Lift:

• 5 days per week
• Push Pull Legs, 5:3:1 progressive overload
• Stretch a 3 times per week
• Working on the neck and traps as well

Skin

• Retin a before bed every day
• Cleansing- I use 2 previously dermatologist prescribed cleansers 1-2 times per day.
• Moisturizing with CeraVe PM (morning and evening)
• Sunscreen on face and neck, no sunscreen on rest of body while limiting sun exposure to less than 1 hour per day
• Walk outside in the sun for 30 minutes a day when it’s sunny (maybe twice a week in NYC winter)

Diet:

• Mostly paleo with lots of meat, smoothies with milk and peanut butter, some fish, vegetables- mostly spinach and nuts. I shop almost exclusively at Whole Foods.
• 4 Raw eggs per day
• I use the microwave to heat up almost every meal
• 2.8-3 k calories per day

Misc:

• Trying to use natural household items like toothpaste, conditioner, floss wherever possible
• Sleep 7-8 hours per night with no alarm clock for the morning
• When I want sex drive to be high (most of the time) daily supplement which includes maca root, horny goat, ashwaghanda, penax ginseng, tribulus, saw palmetto, fenugreek, tongkat ali, shilajit, black pepper
• Tanning: Daily Betacarotene, Astaxanthin
• No porn (currently trying to quit)
• Alcohol once per week
• No weed or other drugs
• Meditate once per week, read nightly
• Drink out of steel water bottle, water filtered by berkey filter
• I don’t keep my phone in my pocket and wear wired headphones
• I have a beard and mustache. Not super strong or thick but it's something. I've been growing it for a couple of months to look older.

Things I want to incorporate next:

• Jiu jitsu/fighting
• Oura ring or something to better track sleep
• Dyed black hair (mine is currently brown)
• Heavy stubble (once I can grow)
• A few tattoos
• Considering: Melanotan II

imo. pretty good stack.
These things on your list, i also do:

• Vitamin D
• Collagen powder
• retin
• obviously cleanser and moisterizer daily. I have more serums on the list though; but than I'm old so I need to fight harder against skin going fucked up
• Sunscreen on face and neck
• Considering: Melanotan II; i ordered it already. awaiting delivery