One of the main reasons why I don't have friends is simply that my "drive" or "need" to socialize is low

[Mongrelcel]

I've noticed this the first (and every) time I've taken ampthetamine or some other stim - the want, need to socialize is increased by so much. I just want to chat with someone, doesen't matter who, and doesen't matter about what. Simply the act of talking makes my brain feel good.

No wonder normies love pointless chitchat so much.

When I'm sober, I simply dont give a fuck about the things the other person has to say. I dont want to talk about someones job, or some other pointless thing to me.
The conversations are just not engaging enough for me.


@TsarTsar444

 

[Uglybrazilian]

I dont know what to say...I guess thats fine

 

[PYT]

I dont know what to say...I guess thats fine

but what is the solution

 

[Uglybrazilian]

but what is the solution

Im not sure if op thinks there is a problem

 

[Mongrelcel]

Im not sure if op thinks there is a problem

Well there is a problem because without other people your life is simply worse

Its an objective fact that extroverts lead better and more exciting lives than introverts.

 

[Entschuldigung]

You're coping or didn't find anyone interesting

 

[Uglybrazilian]

Well there is a problem because without other people your life is simply worse

Its an objective fact that extroverts lead better and more exciting lives than introverts.

I understand
I believe you should look for information about mushrooms

 

[LILMAXILLA]

Simply the act of talking makes my brain feel good.

This is how a healthy human brain works.

I believe that pleasure is reduced the more depressed/ socially avoidant you get.

I think your brain numbs itself from all the social shit after it has experienced to much trauma from it. (Tons of exposure to social anxiety)

 

[Vermilioncore]

I never enjoyed talking. Unless I benefit from it.

 

[Mongrelcel]

This is how a healthy human brain works.

I believe that pleasure is reduced the more depressed/ socially avoidant you get.

I think your brain numbs itself from all the social shit after it has experienced to much trauma from it. (Tons of exposure to social anxiety)

Thats the other big reason - I never know what to say, and so interactions are stressful for me.

 

[Deleted member 275]

I enjoy good social interaction, but most of the times I feel like people don't like me so I avoid interaction.

Too many times total strangers I am in class with, or that have the same hobbies as me, at the same club, etc. treated me like shit. Behind my back usually.

 

[LILMAXILLA]

Thats the other big reason - I never know what to say, and so interactions are stressful for me.

It's just a huge fucking spiral, because the more shit interactions you experience, the more your brain will dread future interactions (more anxiety). You will go from stressing about social interactions to completely dreading them and avoiding them at all costs.

This is why it's important to treat social anxiety as early as possible.

Except that most people won't admit that much of the "treatment" that young men need, is just to be treated better by society in general. Maybe if they had experienced supportive girlfriends they would have turned out happy? But no young girls have to fuck chad and get famous on tiktok.

Basically the "treatment" you need, is positive social interactions, as opposed to negative ones. You need to form strong relationships early on in life. Maybe a psychiatrist could serve as a replacement for some of those. But ideally you would have grown up with a strong relationship to at least one of your parents, some friends, a girlfriend and eventually a wife and kids.

 

[Deleted member 4438]

I have no friends because no one gives a shit about me. period.

 

[blueeyeswhitedrgon]

Coping, you Just haven't left your house in years and forgot what having a good social circle is like. Having a small group of good friends is something to die for

 

[AlexAP]

Honestly I feel the same. I guess things would be completely different if I would meet people who understand me, I could be like the person I am without having to "fit in", this is always stressful.

Maybe we all need a Looksmax meetup and a slaying contest to heal from the wounds of the past.

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

This is cope, gling people have friends even if they dont want em

 

[Cali Yuga]

I've noticed this the first (and every) time I've taken ampthetamine or some other stim - the want, need to socialize is increased by so much. I just want to chat with someone, doesen't matter who, and doesen't matter about what. Simply the act of talking makes my brain feel good.

No wonder normies love pointless chitchat so much.

When I'm sober, I simply dont give a fuck about the things the other person has to say. I dont want to talk about someones job, or some other pointless thing to me.
The conversations are just not engaging enough for me.


@TsarTsar444

this genetic low drive for socialization is honestly almost as damaging to long term prospects with women/success in life as being ugly

its snowballs at a young age unless you grow up in a super healthy, tightly knit social community (basically dont exist in the contemporary world) and end up with you leaving college/highschool with no social circle and having developed a divergent personality, set of interests, worldview which further alienates you from normal people

 

[Mongrelcel]

Basically the "treatment" you need, is positive social interactions, as opposed to negative ones

At this point I probably couldnt have a good/positive social interaction even if the other person tried to make it good for me

Honestly I feel the same. I guess things would be completely different if I would meet people who understand me, I could be like the person I am without having to "fit in", this is always stressful.

Maybe we all need a Looksmax meetup and a slaying contest to heal from the wounds of the past.

that would be a lot of fun ngl
but a lot of us are socially autistic, and two socially retarded people dont mix well together
awkward silence ensured

this genetic low drive for socialization is honestly almost as damaging to long term prospects with women/success in life as being ugly

idk if it really is genetic
when I was younger (middleschool) I had a friend that I could just hang out with - for no particular reason, with nothing particular to talk about and for hours on end
now I can barely hold a convo for a minute

having developed a divergent personality, set of interests, worldview which further alienates you from normal people

this is the worst ngl, there just is so little to talk about with people
but even if I do have something to talk about, it still feels like a meaningless exchange of useless info

 

[AlexAP]

that would be a lot of fun ngl
but a lot of us are socially autistic, and two socially retarded people dont mix well together
awkward silence ensured

There are some cool guys here who are not socially awkward. And we could treat as an once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Who knows, maybe it happens someday. I think we will have regrets if we didn't try it at least jfl.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Yeah i honestly think this is how neurotypicals feel normally, how we feel on stims, brutal honestly, i also have patience for talking lot more on a stim and can talk about anything

 

[TsarTsar444]

Btw im the same op, exactly same. I have no social circle and i think im deeply fucked cause of this. Only have like 2 people i hang out with sometimes and thats it. Being bullied and alienated since childhood together with living in a depopulated neighborhood with very little kids growing up, fucked me hard. Now im an anxious mess

Btw im on a 2fma comedown now and feel like shit

 

[Mongrelcel]

There are some cool guys here who are not socially awkward. And we could treat as once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Who knows, maybe it happens someday. I think we will have regrets if we didn't try it at least jfl.

I propose a meetup in latin america - one reason: 1g of pure cocaine for 10 dollars
bam no more social awkwardness

Yeah i honestly think this is how neurotypicals feel normally, how we feel on stims, brutal honestly, i also have patience for talking lot more on a stim and can talk about anything

its almost uncopable

but it makes me think that neurotypicals are such losers jesus christ, imagine being born with such cognitive abilities and still failing
the fact that I was able to keep up, and even surpass many neurotypicals in school is unreal

however I cope with it this way: remember the first time you took amph and suddenly felt like everything that was missing from your life was now in place? well, thats not really how neurotypicals feels like - thats just how amph feels like
when NTs take amph they too experience increased need to socialize and increased focus
and when they smoke meth, they experience this emotion many times more intensly - its just euphoria

so at the end of the day i would say that how we feel on stims is not how NTs feel all the time. How we feel on stims is just how we feel on stims. so while our cognitive abilities are maybe now the same as neurotypicals have - we still are on stims, and that brings a whole plethora of different effects

Only have like 2 people i hang out with

mogs me

living in a depopulated neighborhood with very little kids growing up, fucked me hard

jfl I remember when I was growing up I had noone to play with because the neighborhood was full of old boomer fucks

Btw im on a 2fma comedown now and feel like shit

for me the 2fma comedown is more gentle then comedown from amph, and yet it somehow just feels worse
on amph comedown I have this tendancy to want to continue doing an action once I've started - if I'm listening to a song, ill listen to it on repeat for 30 mins no problem
if I go for a walk, Ill keep walking for 4 hours like a retard and then my feet hurt

but on 2fmna comedown I dont feel like doing anything. doing anything makes me feel like shit

 

[Deleted member 7901]

Coping, you Just haven't left your house in years and forgot what having a good social circle is like. Having a small group of good friends is something to die for

That not true, I am a friend with all of my school, and every time I come, many kids I know say hello or start a chat with me, and I get invited and have access to many social circles here in general but reject every single time

I experience the same shit as OP, I think its legit just being intorveted, I have been like this since I was born and my mom always called me "home's child", I don't really think it has anything to do with past experience

 

[Deleted member 7901]

Do you have ADHD op?

 

[Mongrelcel]

Do you have ADHD op?

yes

 

[turkproducer]

I’m not an introvert/friendless but I think it’s a normal part of growing up, especially if you didn’t or don’t go to university

I don’t have much desire to talk to my friends either, in fact when they call me now I feel way more awkward

When I was a kid I was full of energy and wanted to talk, sad shit

 

[TsarTsar444]

That not true, I am a friend with all of my school, and every time I come, many kids I know say hello or start a chat with me, and I get invited and have access to many social circles here in general but reject every single time

I experience the same shit as OP, I think its legit just being intorveted, I have been like this since I was born and my mom always called me "home's child", I don't really think it has anything to do with past experience

Sounds like cope, humans can't survive evolutionary without socialization. Even introverts need socialization just not in large amounts

 

[Tony]

Sounds like cope, humans can't survive evolutionary without socialization. Even introverts need socialization just not in large amounts

bro i like cummy in your tsertserien ess like legit

 

[TsarTsar444]

I propose a meetup in latin america - one reason: 1g of pure cocaine for 10 dollars
bam no more social awkwardness

its almost uncopable

but it makes me think that neurotypicals are such losers jesus christ, imagine being born with such cognitive abilities and still failing
the fact that I was able to keep up, and even surpass many neurotypicals in school is unreal

however I cope with it this way: remember the first time you took amph and suddenly felt like everything that was missing from your life was now in place? well, thats not really how neurotypicals feels like - thats just how amph feels like
when NTs take amph they too experience increased need to socialize and increased focus
and when they smoke meth, they experience this emotion many times more intensly - its just euphoria

so at the end of the day i would say that how we feel on stims is not how NTs feel all the time. How we feel on stims is just how we feel on stims. so while our cognitive abilities are maybe now the same as neurotypicals have - we still are on stims, and that brings a whole plethora of different effects

mogs me

jfl I remember when I was growing up I had noone to play with because the neighborhood was full of old boomer fucks

for me the 2fma comedown is more gentle then comedown from amph, and yet it somehow just feels worse
on amph comedown I have this tendancy to want to continue doing an action once I've started - if I'm listening to a song, ill listen to it on repeat for 30 mins no problem
if I go for a walk, Ill keep walking for 4 hours like a retard and then my feet hurt

but on 2fmna comedown I dont feel like doing anything. doing anything makes me feel like shit

Legit tbh, 2fma comedown feels gentle but mentally i feel tired, and anxious, with slight dread in the background.

How does amphetamine sulfate feel like in comparison to 2fma to you?

 

[turkproducer]

Sounds like cope, humans can't survive evolutionary without socialization. Even introverts need socialization just not in large amounts

bro i literally don't wanna talk to my friends atm, covid really fucked me up

i dont feel normal socialising anymore ded srs

 

[TsarTsar444]

bro i literally don't wanna talk to my friends atm, covid really fucked me up

i dont feel normal socialising anymore ded srs

Well yes, but thats caused by pathological reasons like isolation + drug use. Im talking physiologically humans are social

 

[turkproducer]

Well yes, but thats caused by pathological reasons like isolation + drug use. Im talking physiologically humans are social

Brutal I think reef is making me into a schizo ded srs

fuck fuck fuck

 

[TsarTsar444]

Brutal I think reef is making me into a schizo ded srs

fuck fuck fuck

Reef? Guess its true

 

[turkproducer]

Reef? Guess its true

The devils lettuce in gta 5

 

[Deleted member 7901]

Sounds like cope, humans can't survive evolutionary without socialization. Even introverts need socialization just not in large amounts

Never said I don't socialize at all, I just don't socialize much, when I am in school I always hang out with my friends in breaks, but that more then enough for me, introverts still need socialization for sure but just not much, I find majority of converstions really boring

 

[TsarTsar444]

Never said I don't socialize at all, I just don't socialize much, when I am in school I always hang out with my friends in breaks, but that more then enough for me, introverts still need socialization for sure but just not much, I find majority of converstions really boring

Same tbh, but i don't feel happy about it at all. I wish i was a social happy extrovert

 

[Deleted member 7901]

yes

I feel like the ADHD makes you want something greater then just talking about someone's boring morning,
I crave 1 kind of interaction so much, and its the one when I feel extremely stimulated and challenged, but I don't get those or get those rarely online, I always crave those, and its partially what fulfills my internet addiction (hoping to read or interact in something which stimulates me a lot and makes me learn)

 

[Deleted member 7901]

Same tbh, but i don't feel happy about it at all. I wish i was a social happy extrovert

I feel like this regret comes from other places, which you think that being introverted might have caused

 

[Mongrelcel]

Legit tbh, 2fma comedown feels gentle but mentally i feel tired, and anxious, with slight dread in the background.

How does amphetamine sulfate feel like in comparison to 2fma to you?

tbh 2fma actually feels like a better study aid than amph - amph is undoubtedly objectively better imo, but it almost feels like a waste to study, i'd rather socialize or listen to music amph is simply more euphoric, also I feel like amph gets me tweaking easier than 2fma
2fma is a really great chem, too bad the jews owning pharmas wont do studies on it
if only the cardiotoxicity concerns were cleared up...

"slight dread in the background" jfll that would be a great name for a stim manufacturer, or a vendor on dnm

Same tbh, but i don't feel happy about it at all. I wish i was a social happy extrovert

yes, its an objective fact that extroverts have simply better lives than introverts

I crave 1 kind of interaction so much, and its the one when I feel extremely stimulated and challenged, but I don't get those or get those rarely online, I always crave those, and its partially what fulfills my internet addiction (hoping to read or interact in something which stimulates me a lot and makes me learn)

arguments kinda do this for me

 

[Gutter Goring]

Cope

 

[Deleted member 7901]

arguments kinda do this for me

Noticed this about you and we are the same in this part, also just realized you are Mongrelcel and you changed avi

 

[TsarTsar444]

tbh 2fma actually feels like a better study aid than amph - amph is undoubtedly objectively better imo, but it almost feels like a waste to study, i'd rather socialize or listen to music amph is simply more euphoric, also I feel like amph gets me tweaking easier than 2fma
2fma is a really great chem, too bad the jews owning pharmas wont do studies on it
if only the cardiotoxicity concerns were cleared up...

"slight dread in the background" jfll that would be a great name for a stim manufacturer, or a vendor on dnm


yes, its an objective fact that extroverts have simply better lives than introverts


arguments kinda do this for me

Interesting that amph is that euphoric to you, really interesting how meth would be for studying and euphoria tbh in small doses. You can get the best meth from a super famous Canadian vendor, guy has almost pharma meth from reports.

Also the cardio toxicity is what is really worrying me about 2fma, fucking hell every day i take it i just get slightly anxious that im giga destroying my heart. It would be incredible if there was a big meta analysis that proved it isn't cardiotoxic. Would legit get 1kg of it then before (((they))) ban it and pattent it

 

[Mongrelcel]

Interesting that amph is that euphoric to you, really interesting how meth would be for studying and euphoria tbh in small doses. You can get the best meth from a super famous Canadian vendor, guy has almost pharma meth from reports.

not a bad idea at all - really the best way to go abotu medicating is to try out as many chems as you can, and choose the one that works the best for you
everyones brain is different after all - for some small doses of meth might be too euphoric, some would maybe find it motivating

but idk if i would risk it with a canadian vendor - i'd really like to avoid a different continent, i mean if im taking the risk I might as well get some nice american cheap pharma grade addies no?

Also the cardio toxicity is what is really worrying me about 2fma, fucking hell every day i take it i just get slightly anxious that im giga destroying my heart. It would be incredible if there was a big meta analysis that proved it isn't cardiotoxic. Would legit get 1kg of it then before (((they))) ban it and pattent it

well, from what I read the cardiotoxicity is problematic if you take it without breaks long enough in between - becasue the drug stays in your system far longer than it has any effects, if you take it every day a buildup can happen (all speculation tho, there only was one reddit post about it (im sure youve came across it too), but the guy whose friend supposedly had heart problems didnt even back it up in any way, shape or form)
theoretically having a two or three day pause should be enough time for it to get out of your body completly

It would be incredible if there was a big meta analysis that proved it isn't cardiotoxic.

they could test it on mice too no? The part of the drug that causes the buildup should do it in mice too

 

[TsarTsar444]

not a bad idea at all - really the best way to go abotu medicating is to try out as many chems as you can, and choose the one that works the best for you
everyones brain is different after all - for some small doses of meth might be too euphoric, some would maybe find it motivating

but idk if i would risk it with a canadian vendor - i'd really like to avoid a different continent, i mean if im taking the risk I might as well get some nice american cheap pharma grade addies no?


well, from what I read the cardiotoxicity is problematic if you take it without breaks long enough in between - becasue the drug stays in your system far longer than it has any effects, if you take it every day a buildup can happen (all speculation tho, there only was one reddit post about it (im sure youve came across it too), but the guy whose friend supposedly had heart problems didnt even back it up in any way, shape or form)
theoretically having a two or three day pause should be enough time for it to get out of your body completly


they could test it on mice too no? The part of the drug that causes the buildup should do it in mice too

Well there isn't a difference between ordering international and from in the eu much. The stuff from canada comes by plane and ends up in the post office, same thing happens from schengen stuff, it still ends up in your post office before getting sent to you. Thats why there were cases of drugs being caught that were shipped from the Benelux to Germany for isntance

It's still very risky, we have zero clue what we are doing with our hearts, inb4 a study in 5 years shows a gigantic toxic effect on the heart, brutal

 

[Mongrelcel]

Well there isn't a difference between ordering international and from in the eu much. The stuff from canada comes by plane and ends up in the post office, same thing happens from schengen stuff, it still ends up in your post office before getting sent to you. Thats why there were cases of drugs being caught that were shipped from the Benelux to Germany for isntance

I dont think so. IMO the risk goes up exponentially. One package I ordered from beyond EU, and it got intercepted - thankfully it was just retina from india. I dont want to talk about my anecdotal experiences tho, many people recommend not doing intra continental

It's still very risky, we have zero clue what we are doing with our hearts, inb4 a study in 5 years shows a gigantic toxic effect on the heart, brutal

I mean we do have a pretty good guess tho, but there still is a chance...
thats just the nature of RCs - thats why using RCs as a medication is not a great idea

 

[Cali Yuga]

At this point I probably couldnt have a good/positive social interaction even if the other person tried to make it good for me

that would be a lot of fun ngl
but a lot of us are socially autistic, and two socially retarded people dont mix well together
awkward silence ensured

idk if it really is genetic
when I was younger (middleschool) I had a friend that I could just hang out with - for no particular reason, with nothing particular to talk about and for hours on end
now I can barely hold a convo for a minute

this is the worst ngl, there just is so little to talk about with people
but even if I do have something to talk about, it still feels like a meaningless exchange of useless info

when youre younger its easier because theres a sort of eusocial combination of imposed scarcity and familiarity among your peers; you hang out with the same class of ~30 people all through elementary, most schools have you forced into interacting with the same group of people smaller than Dunbar's number, if you live in a small town/suburb/neighborhood you make friends with the limited group of kids who also happen to live their by necessity, etcetc.

its a lot easier to be friends with/comfortable with a person when youve grown up together and hung out since before you had a rational mind or your own worldview

the genetics is only relevant in combination with the social environment that allows you to diverge so fully from the main body of normal people and slip through the cracks. The worse society gets in this respect the less of a genetic outlier you have to be in order to become alienated in this way.

Its much more possible in contemporary clown world than it ever has been before to become so alienated from the normal person that you can barely hold a conversation with them

 

[APJ]

when youre younger its easier because theres a sort of eusocial combination of imposed scarcity and familiarity among your peers; you hang out with the same class of ~30 people all through elementary, most schools have you forced into interacting with the same group of people smaller than Dunbar's number, if you live in a small town/suburb/neighborhood you make friends with the limited group of kids who also happen to live their by necessity, etcetc.

its a lot easier to be friends with/comfortable with a person when youve grown up together and hung out since before you had a rational mind or your own worldview

the genetics is only relevant in combination with the social environment that allows you to diverge so fully from the main body of normal people and slip through the cracks. The worse society gets in this respect the less of a genetic outlier you have to be in order to become alienated in this way.

Its much more possible in contemporary clown world than it ever has been before to become so alienated from the normal person that you can barely hold a conversation with them

I don't know man... at school I had a couple of individual friends but mostly felt isolated and didn't enjoy hanging out in groups, which isolated me further. Either you work hard to establish yourself as the 'leader' (really really exhausting, if even possible, unless you come in with lots of pre-existing status, which I didn't have) or you just have to compromise on everything and talk about bullshit, forging only superficial connections and not getting your emotional support needs met in the slightest.

Nowadays I have friends dotted around here and there, some from school/childhood still, but as days go by I feel I need them less and less. I can forge connections of around the same depth via dating, and it's not because I'm ultra-close to these girls; rather, I figured out that deep male friendship isn't really a thing. As a man, you're on your own.

 

[Mongrelcel]

Either you work hard to establish yourself as the 'leader' (really really exhausting, if even possible, unless you come in with lots of pre-existing status, which I didn't have)

that's true, to establish yourself as a leader you need few things:
1) a good long time friend thats your right hand and will supprt your position in every circumstance
2) a few friends that know you, but dont know each other

And thats how you build up a friendgroup around yourself - just just keep connecting these people, and make sure that they dont make their own friendgroup without you, or that someone doesent overtake your position

For example, adding two brothers or two best friends is dangerous, because they can rival you and your second in command.
Basically you have yo keep everyone divided at all times, because if you slip up, and a block forms, you then wont be able to go up against that

Basically, the easiest (and most common) way to do this is to gather a bunch of introverts with status lower than yours. Because theyre introverted, they wont even be able to hang out without you.

 

[APJ]

that's true, to establish yourself as a leader you need few things:
1) a good long time friend thats your right hand and will supprt your position in every circumstance
2) a few friends that know you, but dont know each other

And thats how you build up a friendgroup around yourself - just just keep connecting these people, and make sure that they dont make their own friendgroup without you, or that someone doesent overtake your position

For example, adding two brothers or two best friends is dangerous, because they can rival you and your second in command.
Basically you have yo keep everyone divided at all times, because if you slip up, and a block forms, you then wont be able to go up against that

Basically, the easiest (and most common) way to do this is to gather a bunch of introverts with status lower than yours. Because theyre introverted, they wont even be able to hang out without you.

God that sounds so exhausting, hardly worth it, no? I've had the alternative dynamic a couple of times (high pre-existing status) but in university and once post-university, due to certain things I'm good at that were valued by those particular groups. Was bored to talk to the people in the group anyway (lack of depth), wasn't able to leverage into pussy (too scared to act on indicators of interest)

 

[ReignsChad]

OP, are you saying your looks aren't the reason for your lack of social life? Didn't expect a bluepilled take from you, but perhaps you are just better looking than I originally thought.