Rate my unfrauded pics (Ratios included) estimate bodyfat % + self analysis

[quo]

My measurements for my ratios are as follows

6ft 1 inches 165lbs
(I'd estimate my bodyfat at around 17-18%)

Midface Ratio: 1.17
FWHR: 2.0

Facial Thirds:
Lower: 30.4%
Middle: 35.71%
Upper: 33.89%

Starting with my positives:
Good skin coloring and health for the most part (could be improved with better diet, sleep ect..)
Deep set eyes with neutral canthal tilt
Good eyebrows (could have better thickness I guess but I have no idea how to achieve that)
Good hair + Pheno
Fantastic high placed wide zygos

Now the negatives:
Mouth is slightly too thin
Horrible side profile
Short ramus (not exactly falio but not ideal either)
Seems like I have chin recession which doesn't make a whole lot of sense because my dental development is nearly perfect-
(never had braces and teeth are very straight)
Very concerned about my growth seeing it from the side profile
Bloated face -
(could be jordan barrett effect whereas I have a very wide face so it looks shitty at higher bodyfat% and with bloat meaning I gotta starvemaxx like a psycho)

What are your guys thoughts? What ways could I improve? What bodyfat% would you estimate me at currently in these photos?

 

[quo]

smhhh can’t even get you autists to give me advice or a rating on a forum dedicated to LOOKS… FML

 

[SurgeryEnjoyer]

Midface Ratio: 1.17

Gonna let @HarrierDuBois take it from here.

 

[HarrierDuBois]

Gonna let @HarrierDuBois take it from here.

1.17 with THAT philtrum??? It did not even begin in your daddys ballsack OP.

 

[SurgeryEnjoyer]

1.17 with THAT philtrum??? It did not even begin in your daddys ballsack OP.

Reminder that barrett averages out at 1.10/11 in most pictures and margot robbie at around 1.13/14.

 

[HarrierDuBois]

Reminder that barrett averages out at 1.10/11 in most pictures and margot robbie at around 1.13/14.

Why did he cut out the ENTIRE backround like that? Looks aspie asf.

 

[SurgeryEnjoyer]

Why did he cut out the ENTIRE backround like that? Looks aspie asf.

His walls are just red imo.

 

[andy9432]

At the moment, LTN, due to assymmetry, it is in vain to rate you as of now, as you are literally underdeveloped (no pun intended) come back for ratings when u sorted this out

 

[quo]

Why did he cut out the ENTIRE backround like that? Looks aspie asf.

Fair. I’m just tryna get people to focus on the only thing that matters.

 

[quo]

At the moment, LTN, due to assymmetry, it is in vain to rate you as of now, as you are literally underdeveloped (no pun intended) come back for ratings when u sorted this out

Elaborate. And how am I to sort this out?

 

[andy9432]

Elaborate. And how am I to sort this out?

Allign ur bite, that will sort most of ur assymmetries out, MSE+IMDO/MSDO, its common to have some slight assymmetry, and that is ok, aslong as it is not obvious, but in your case, it is very obvious, and every person you talk to IRL, will notice the assymmetry

 

[quo]

Allign ur bite, that will sort most of ur assymmetries out, MSE+IMDO/MSDO, its common to have some slight assymmetry, and that is ok, aslong as it is not obvious, but in your case, it is very obvious, and every person you talk to IRL, will notice the assymmetry

Anything I can start doing now pre-surgery or treatment to fix this? I was genuinely clueless. Also which side of my face is most asymmetrical from your pov looking at the pictures?

 

[andy9432]

Anything I can start doing now pre-surgery or treatment to fix this? I was genuinely clueless. Also which side of my face is most asymmetrical from your pov looking at the pictures?

How old are you? Id look into palate expanders ASAP if ur below 18

 

[CopingHard]

What size is your bicep and how long have you been training for?

Your arm looks big from the front angle pic but much smaller in the other one.

And yeah about 17-18% bf

 

[quo]

How old are you? Id look into palate expanders ASAP if ur below 18

Currently 19 years old although I was growth hormone deficient in childhood so I took hgh. My natural bodily age is probably a bit younger in terms of development.

 

[Lebgfinal]

mogs me, htn

 

[andy9432]

Currently 19 years old although I was growth hormone deficient in childhood so I took hgh. My natural bodily age is probably a bit younger in terms of development.

I think 19 is too old to do non-surgical treatments, but there is no other way that surgery to fix that from what is in my opinion severe assymmetry (any noticeable assymmetry is severe in my eyes)

U could try to chew, working out on posture etc, but at the end of the day, i think in ur case, u have to get surgery

 

[Lebgfinal]

im low subhuman and you are high MTN

 

[Lebgfinal]

I think 19 is too old to do non-surgical treatments, but there is no other way that surgery to fix that from what is in my opinion severe assymmetry (any noticeable assymmetry is severe in my eyes)

U could try to chew, working out on posture etc, but at the end of the day, i think in ur case, u have to get surgery

why would he even get surgwry

 

[NerdcelThundercok]

smhhh can’t even get you autists to give me advice or a rating on a forum dedicated to LOOKS… FML

is because u are giga aspie nigga nobody is doing this much just post your face and thats all boyo LMAO

 

[andy9432]

why would he even get surgwry

He is supposed to be good looking, but his assymmetry cucks him

 

[quo]

What size is your bicep and how long have you been training for?

Your arm looks big from the front angle pic but much smaller in the other one.

And yeah about 17-18% bf

I have decent muscle mass and have been training inconsistently for about 2 years and about 1 year or 6 months consistently. Bicep is 35cm around.

 

[quo]

is because u are giga aspie nigga nobody is doing this much just post your face and thats all boyo LMAO

I’m tryna get the facts so I can fix myself not just some retard telling me I’m ugly which I already know.

 

[cost2beme]

At the moment, LTN, due to assymmetry, it is in vain to rate you as of now, as you are literally underdeveloped (no pun intended) come back for ratings when u sorted this out

how to fix asymmetry as same as his? surgery?

 

[andy9432]

how to fix asymmetry as same as his? surgery?

Yes, it is the only way, it is due to 1 side of the palate being bigger than the other. Past 15 there is no other option other than surgery

 

[quo]

I think 19 is too old to do non-surgical treatments, but there is no other way that surgery to fix that from what is in my opinion severe assymmetry (any noticeable assymmetry is severe in my eyes)

U could try to chew, working out on posture etc, but at the end of the day, i think in ur case, u have to

Fml. Should I still hop on the palate expander train for now just in case? Also what are typical ranges for those surgeries?

 

[CopingHard]

I have decent muscle mass and have been training inconsistently for about 2 years and about 1 year or 6 months consistently. Bicep is 35cm around.

So 3 years and a half total?

But man you gotta teach me how to anglefraud, same size bicep but looks nowhere near as big from the front

 

[quo]

Fuck. I always knew my palate might have been narrow. I even had a palate expander device for about a year when I was like 4 y/o. What went wrong

 

[andy9432]

Fml. Should I still hop on the palate expander train for now just in case? Also what are typical ranges for those surgeries?

It doesnt hurt to ask, but go to a maxillofacial surgeon, not a orthodontist/dentist. I think u need both lower and upper jaw widened, due to noticeable assymmetry in the mouth/nose area. Do u have insurance?

I think the cost is different, when u have medical reasons to do surgery

 

[quo]

It doesnt hurt to ask, but go to a maxillofacial surgeon, not a orthodontist/dentist. I think u need both lower and upper jaw widened, due to noticeable assymmetry in the mouth/nose area. Do u have insurance?

I think the cost is different, when u have medical reasons to do surgery

Still on my parents insurance plan but yes dentistry field is covered. Unfortunately I’m kicked off their insurance next January as I’m not enrolled in active schooling currently.

 

[andy9432]

Still on my parents insurance plan but yes dentistry field is covered. Unfortunately I’m kicked off their insurance next January as I’m not enrolled in active schooling currently.

Try to do everything u can, before january, u might get covered alot, u can even go to a dentist/orthodontist, but dont go the braces option, they will probably try to make u get braces, palatal surgery expansion is the way to go, when it comes to expanding adult palates.

 

[quo]

Try to do everything u can, before january, u might get covered alot, u can even go to a dentist/orthodontist, but dont go the braces option, they will probably try to make u get braces, palatal surgery expansion is the way to go, when it comes to expanding adult palates.

What’s the cost and timespan of this? And you said I need it on both upper palate and lower? How fucked would I be without insurance?

 

[andy9432]

What’s the cost and timespan of this? And you said I need it on both upper palate and lower? How fucked would I be without insurance?

Depends where u live, U most likely need on both palates, and that is the most common, if 1 palate is fucked its due to teeth extractions, but if not, then both palates grew wrong.

I think u need to be prepared to pay up to 30k USD if no insurance, albeit im not well versed in the US market for surgeons

 

[quo]

Depends where u live, U most likely need on both palates, and that is the most common, if 1 palate is fucked its due to teeth extractions, but if not, then both palates grew wrong.

I think u need to be prepared to pay up to 30k USD if no insurance, albeit im not well versed in the US market for surgeons

And after getting these surgeries and procedures would my asymmetry sort itself out on its own? Or am I permanently fucked there?

 

[andy9432]

And after getting these surgeries and procedures would my asymmetry sort itself out on its own? Or am I permanently fucked there?

The assymmetry will be there no longer, but it can return if u do not take care of urself, for example if u only chew on 1 side forever. Just continue to chew on both sides, working out neck, posture, after the surgery.

 

[quo]

The assymmetry will be there no longer, but it can return if u do not take care of urself, for example if u only chew on 1 side forever. Just continue to chew on both sides, working out neck, posture, after the surgery.

thanks 4 all the info genuinely. Forever in debt.. literally(fml surgery).
Moving forward though I’m definitely going to go through with this.
Is there any downsides to starting this later or sooner?

 

[andy9432]

thanks 4 all the info genuinely. Forever in debt.. literally(fml surgery).
Moving forward though I’m definitely going to go through with this.
Is there any downsides to starting this later or sooner?

The sooner the better, U are still young at 19

 

[andy9432]

@andy9432 is a retard who has no idea what he's talking about. Ignore it


I think you could use some zygomatic reduction and gonion implants (also mouth widening). Your face is excessively rounded and top-heavy with a weak, rounded jawline.

Something like this:


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Also JFL, your nipples are ugly as fuck man. Never seen nipples like that before

U always want to do the "hard" surgeries before implants, especially for his case "malocclusion

 

[quo]

@andy9432 is a retard who has no idea what he's talking about. Ignore it


I think you could use some zygomatic reduction and gonion implants (also mouth widening). Your face is excessively rounded and top-heavy with a weak, rounded jawline.

Something like this:


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Also JFL, your nipples are ugly as fuck man. Never seen nipples like that before

Gonian implants are def something I’d look into down the line along with something for the chin. Don’t you think in part the reason my face looks rounded might be due to my bodyfat % and storage?

 

[andy9432]

Gonian implants are def something I’d look into down the line along with something for the chin. Don’t you think in part the reason my face looks rounded might be due to my bodyfat % and storage?

Ur face looks rounded mostly because of a narrow palate. At 17 percent u shouldve had a more chiseled face, and u will when ur expanded palate will stretch the face

 

[quo]

Jaw expansion in adults is an experimental, unreliable, expensive treatment that gives at best no aesthetic changes and at worst aesthetic WORSENING



Nah you look fairly skinny and you can clearly see how your cheekbones are too wide for your face

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But yea definitely try losing weight beforehand I guess

Aren’t wide zygos typically a positive trait though? I guess maybe because it doesn’t work with the rest of my harmony it might not be but after fixing asymmetries + surgeries might it be a benefit?

 

[quo]

Jaw expansion in adults is an experimental

Also I’d like to get some more opinions on this. So far what @andy9432 has said seems to track especially with me having palate expanders before and having a narrow palate.

 

[andy9432]

Jaw expansion in adults is an experimental, unreliable, expensive treatment that gives at best no aesthetic changes and at worst aesthetic WORSENING



Nah you look fairly skinny and you can clearly see how your cheekbones are too wide for your face

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But yea definitely try losing weight beforehand I guess

 

[andy9432]

Aren’t wide zygos typically a positive trait though? I guess maybe because it doesn’t work with the rest of my harmony it might not be but after fixing asymmetries + surgeries might it be a benefit?

Wide zygos are positive IF u have the jaw width to go with it, which u WILL get WITH surgery.

 

[Deleted member 31020]

@andy9432 is a retard who has no idea what he's talking about. Ignore it


I think you could use some zygomatic reduction and gonion implants (also mouth widening). Your face is excessively rounded and top-heavy with a weak, rounded jawline.

Something like this:


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Also JFL, your nipples are ugly as fuck man. Never seen nipples like that before

His mouth is ok

 

[quo]

Your IQ is so low I need to look down while I talk to you

Those are pictures of a procedure that mainly ADVANCES the lower jaw and is making those people's lower thirds' TALLER.

Not only that but it is only offered by 1 guy in the world at an insanely high price to people with severe overbites ONLY

Ignored

Need both yall to tag some more people knowledgeable on this sort of stuff so I can get a wholistic idea of how beneficial it is. Currently lean toward the palate expansion route MSE atm. Also are you vouching for no maxilofacial surgery at all and instead going for implants? If you're taking that stance, why? Wouldn't corrective surgery and then fillers and cosmetic enhancements be the best route?

 

[quo]

So 3 years and a half total?

But man you gotta teach me how to anglefraud, same size bicep but looks nowhere near as big from the front

Honestly have no idea. Probably just good bicep genetics I guess because I hardly train biceps at all.

 

[quo]

Maxillary expansion would make your face MORE rounded. It's EXPANDING your face. For fuck's sake

Wouldn't maxillary expansion be beneficial for my lower third as its widening it which would balance my face out more evenly like you showed with the morphs? Not arguing against u by any means just trying to work it out.

 

[andy9432]

Wouldn't maxillary expansion be beneficial for my lower third as its widening it which would balance my face out more evenly like you showed with the morphs? Not arguing against u by any means just trying to work it out.

If u do MSE only, it will round ur face, if u do MSDO/IMDO with mse u will Get a Well balanced face

 

[quo]

Nigga maxillary expansion widens only the MAXILLA (the upper jaw). Your mandible doesn't change

fair