Secret Chemicals Part 1: 11-keto DHT and 11-keto Testosterone

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Preface

I will be writing a series of threads showcasing unknown but useful chemicals.

Abstract

-11KDHT is a potent androgen with a high AR-agonist activity, it also regulates the expression of more AR-regulated proteins than DHT.
-11KDHT and 11KT have a longer half-life than DHT and T due to the slower metabolism.[1] The half life of 11-KDHT is 36 hours.
DHT was completely eleminated from the body in 48 hours, while 21% of 11-KDHT remained after 72 hours

-11KT and 11KDHT bind to the AR with affinities similar to that of T and DHT[1]
-11KT and 11KDHT are full AR agonists.[1]
-11KT and 11KDHT induce AR-regulated gene expression.[1]
-11KT and 11KDHT induce androgen dependent cellular proliferation.[1]

11-KDHT plays a vital role in castration-resistant prostate cancer. Also, prostate cancer patients were noted to have low prolactin levels.[3]
As we have said before, 11-KDHT is as potent as DHT which has anti-prolactin properties[2]. This may be a benefit for users here looking to lower their prolactin level with longer inter-dose intervals (due to longer 11-KDHT half-life). This can be used as a substitute to other prolactin-inducing steroids. This property may also improve sexual experiences by decreasing recovery time forced by prolactin.

Moreover, 11-KDHT can also be used as an aromatase inhibitor with longer inter-dose intervals. Due to it being similar to DHT for its anti-estrogenic properties.[4]
This may be useful to @axe624 @Madness @Coping @Wincel to keep their plates open while promoting cell proliferation and skipping the horrendous side effects of AIs like aromasin or letrozole.

11-KT and 11-KDHT are also non-aromatizable, meaning that they won't get converted into estrogen, meaning they have no gyno side effects like other steroids.[7]

To add, there are also anecdotal evidence in DHT and 11-KDHT elimating bloat and promoting a "dry" look. @Zyros

Finally, 11-KT has anti-cortisol properties, which promotes "alpha" personality and inhibition, less stress, and better motivation. And so does its anti-prolactin properties.[5] 11-KDHT also has this property[6]


TLDR:

11KDHT and 11KT do the following:
-Increase NT
-lower inhibition
-Increase aggression
-lower stress
-enhance sexual experience
-decrease refractory period (time it take for a male to recover after orgasm.)
-Decrease estrogen
-Build muscle
-Burn fat
-Increase height in open platecels
-doesn't need AI
-Increase energy
-Eliminate bloat
-Decrease fatigue



Now, for the autists who want more in-depth detail.

Biosynthesis from the precursor 11OHA4[1]:
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This shows that 11-oxo-andrenosterone could be used as a prohormone for 11-KT and 11-KDHT.

Binding of DHT, T, 11KDHT and 11KT to the human AR (A) and transactivation via an ARE (B and C).
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Regulation of AR-regulated proteins by DHT, 11KDHT, T and 11KT in VCaP cells
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Metabolism:

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[1]https://www.researchgate.net/public...tent_Androgens_Which_Can_No_Longer_Be_Ignored
[2]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2775814
[3]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30763940
[4]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6645492
[5]https://www.researchgate.net/public...tent_Androgens_Which_Can_No_Longer_Be_Ignored
[6]http://press.endocrine.org/doi/10.1210/endo-meetings.2015.NRSHA.6.SAT-276
[7]https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/101/10/3582/2764896

This may be of interest to @jefferson and @Intel.Imperitive @The Dude Abides
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Disclaimer:
I am by no means an expert on the topic, so please correct me if I made any mistake in this thread. No misinformation intended.
 

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Outstanding thread. These are suppressive correct?
 
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too high iq dint read dint understand
 
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There's a difference between something being an aromatase inhibitor and having anti-estrogenic properties though btw. Don't think 11-KDHT would be an actual aromatase inhibitor but I'd need to research that.
Needs pct after cycle. Suppresses test
dht barely suppresses test, wouldn't need pct unless maybe you megadose it.
 
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High IQ thread tbh ngl ?
 
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There's a difference between something being an aromatase inhibitor and having anti-estrogenic properties though btw. Don't think 11-KDHT would be an actual aromatase inhibitor but I'd need to research that.
Correct, I just wanted to put it in simpler words for the people.
@SeiGun How is the TLDR?
 
TLDR:

11KDHT and 11KT do the following:
-Increase NT
-lower inhibition
-Increase aggression
-lower stress
-enhance sexual experience
-decrease refractory period (time it take for a male to recover after orgasm.)
-Decrease estrogen
-Build muscle
-Burn fat
-Increase height in open platecels
-doesn't need AI
-Increase energy
-Eliminate bloat
-Decrease fatigue



lol this just makes it sound like an advertisement, who doesn't want this.
 
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Winstrol is very similar too these
Eh winstrol is similar but also quite a bit different. It fucks up your liver and cholesterol fast plus is much more active in muscle tissue and will shut you down hard.

It would also make you stonger and build more muscle than dht would and probably dry you out better to there's benefits to winstrol
 
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good
is this stuff on the market?
Sadly the only vendor I trust has stopped selling it. I included that you can use its precursor 11OHA4.
 
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Wow interesting I read half way I’m going to take break
 
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Eh winstrol is similar but also quite a bit different. It fucks up your liver and cholesterol fast plus is much more active in muscle tissue and will shut you down hard.

It would also make you stonger and build more muscle than dht would and probably dry you out better to there's benefits to winstrol
Im still wondering if t bol is a good idea. I’ve heard so many different things about it
 
Anyone who wants tags in future threads then tell me
 
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Im still wondering if t bol is a good idea. I’ve heard so many different things about it
Nah I wouldn't at your age. Just proviron/dht.
 
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where can i talk to you privately ?
 
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Norwood Reaper stay away from me. I just need DHT cream for dickmaxxing, beardfrauding and framemaxxing please don't take away my hair I need it:feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelswah::feelswah::feelswah::feelswah::feelswah::feelswah::feelswah::feelswah::feelswah::feelswhy::feelswhy::feelswhy::feelswhy::feelswhy::feelswhy::feelswhy::feelswhy:
Legit the only downside to DHT.
I would risk prostate cancer with no issue lmao.
where can i talk to you privately ?
Private messaging.
 
It is over.
 
Just skimming for now, but it would be nice if you added legality/availability for major countries. Good post regardless
 
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Just skimming for now, but it would be nice if you added legality/availability for major countries. Good post regardless
It is legal in all countries AFAIK.
 
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I saw dht in the name,does it make you norwood?
 
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Where can I buy it?
Where can I buy it?
 
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So I just drink some 110HA4 and my body converts it? Nice.
If caber doesn't work out for me I'll try this.
 
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Does anyone want a thread on a specific chemical?
 
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It can be combined with Ru58 to prevent norwooding
 
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How effective is that combined with dua?
I don’t know myself. Only ordered it. But the guy from moreplatesmoredates has an article on it. And his hair gains are insane while just using ru + minox. He even blasted trenbolone with no hair loss. And people who are not even prone to mpb go bald from tren

But he also says that he is very responsive to ru so it may not work that well for everyone
 
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Preface

I will be writing a series of threads showcasing unknown but useful chemicals.

Abstract

-11KDHT is a potent androgen with a high AR-agonist activity, it also regulates the expression of more AR-regulated proteins than DHT.
-11KDHT and 11KT have a longer half-life than DHT and T due to the slower metabolism.[1] The half life of 11-KDHT is 36 hours.
DHT was completely eleminated from the body in 48 hours, while 21% of 11-KDHT remained after 72 hours

-11KT and 11KDHT bind to the AR with affinities similar to that of T and DHT[1]
-11KT and 11KDHT are full AR agonists.[1]
-11KT and 11KDHT induce AR-regulated gene expression.[1]
-11KT and 11KDHT induce androgen dependent cellular proliferation.[1]

11-KDHT plays a vital role in castration-resistant prostate cancer. Also, prostate cancer patients were noted to have low prolactin levels.[3]
As we have said before, 11-KDHT is as potent as DHT which has anti-prolactin properties[2]. This may be a benefit for users here looking to lower their prolactin level with longer inter-dose intervals (due to longer 11-KDHT half-life). This can be used as a substitute to other prolactin-inducing steroids. This property may also improve sexual experiences by decreasing recovery time forced by prolactin.

Moreover, 11-KDHT can also be used as an aromatase inhibitor with longer inter-dose intervals. Due to it being similar to DHT for its anti-estrogenic properties.[4]
This may be useful to @axe624 @Madness @Coping @Wincel to keep their plates open while promoting cell proliferation and skipping the horrendous side effects of AIs like aromasin or letrozole.

11-KT and 11-KDHT are also non-aromatizable, meaning that they won't get converted into estrogen, meaning they have no gyno side effects like other steroids.[7]

To add, there are also anecdotal evidence in DHT and 11-KDHT elimating bloat and promoting a "dry" look. @Zyros

Finally, 11-KT has anti-cortisol properties, which promotes "alpha" personality and inhibition, less stress, and better motivation. And so does its anti-prolactin properties.[5] 11-KDHT also has this property[6]


TLDR:

11KDHT and 11KT do the following:
-Increase NT
-lower inhibition
-Increase aggression
-lower stress
-enhance sexual experience
-decrease refractory period (time it take for a male to recover after orgasm.)
-Decrease estrogen
-Build muscle
-Burn fat
-Increase height in open platecels
-doesn't need AI
-Increase energy
-Eliminate bloat
-Decrease fatigue



Now, for the autists who want more in-depth detail.

Biosynthesis from the precursor 11OHA4[1]:
View attachment 26908

This shows that 11-oxo-andrenosterone could be used as a prohormone for 11-KT and 11-KDHT.

Binding of DHT, T, 11KDHT and 11KT to the human AR (A) and transactivation via an ARE (B and C).
View attachment 26911

Regulation of AR-regulated proteins by DHT, 11KDHT, T and 11KT in VCaP cells
View attachment 26913


Metabolism:

View attachment 26914



[1]https://www.researchgate.net/public...tent_Androgens_Which_Can_No_Longer_Be_Ignored
[2]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2775814
[3]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30763940
[4]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6645492
[5]https://www.researchgate.net/public...tent_Androgens_Which_Can_No_Longer_Be_Ignored
[6]http://press.endocrine.org/doi/10.1210/endo-meetings.2015.NRSHA.6.SAT-276
[7]https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/101/10/3582/2764896

This may be of interest to @jefferson and @Intel.Imperitive @The Dude Abides
Requested tags:
@Coping @HorseFace @Wincel @mido the slayer @Autist
(tell me if anyone wants to get tagged in future threads)

Disclaimer:
I am by no means an expert on the topic, so please correct me if I made any mistake in this thread. No misinformation intended.
high iq
 
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I don’t know myself. Only ordered it. But the guy from moreplatesmoredates has an article on it. And his hair gains are insane while just using ru + minox. He even blasted trenbolone with no hair loss. And people who are not even prone to mpb go bald from tren

But he also says that he is very responsive to ru so it may not work that well for everyone
Thanks for the info.
 
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What a load of horseshit.
Why? Chestbrah(Zyzz brother) when asked about tren said he was balding severely from it. And urged everyone to stay away from it. But he is not balding from just test and has perfect hairline now after he recovered
 
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@Weed Stop rotting in your basement and rub some 11KDHT on your balls to ascend.
 
@mojopin gtfih
 
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