There is a bar I drive by on my way home several days a week...

[SurgerySoon]

It has a patio that faces the road. Every time I drive by it I see lots of guys and girls in their 20s standing outside drinking, talking, and having fun. Even though the patio is at least 50 feet away from the road, it's easy to tell that most of the guys are better looking than me. Not only that, but they're so much younger as well. It makes me think about the experiences that all those guys are getting to have with girls, and what I missed out on during that decade of my life. I also think about how out of place and weird I would look if I visited that bar. All of it brings me a step closer to roping. I will do it soon.

 

[auboutduprecipice]

i've done this too and went inside a few times by myself. turns out they are all hyper nt normgroids. i feel like they could all die in a fire and i wouldn't feel anything since we're such worlds apart

 

[maxmendietta]

 

[SurgerySoon]

i've done this too and went inside a few times by myself. turns out they are all hyper nt normgroids. i feel like they could all die in a fire and i wouldn't feel anything since we're such worlds apart

I'm almost 32 years old, so I would look severely out of place if I actually stopped by the bar and went in. I'm just going to have to accept the reality that I missed out and will never have those experiences, but I can't

 

[Alt Number 3]

Maybe one of those days you can do a drive by

 

[auboutduprecipice]

I'm almost 32 years old, so I would look severely out of place if I actually stopped by the bar and went in. I'm just going to have to accept the reality that I missed out and will never have those experiences, but I can't

nah i don't think so. a lot of bartenders are late 20s early 30s and believe it or not most bars late night are packed with mid 20s - mid 30s. i even see women in their 40s scouting out for younger guys lol

 

[SurgerySoon]

nah i don't think so. a lot of bartenders are late 20s early 30s and believe it or not most bars late night are packed with mid 20s - mid 30s. i even see women in their 40s scouting out for younger guys lol

Even in that case, with me being as old as I am, I would only have maybe a year of two of being able to go to those kinds of places before I really do start looking too old. I mean, I'll be 35 in 3 years, so that's what, maybe 3-4 years at the most of trying to make up for lost time?

 

[auboutduprecipice]

Even in that case, with me being as old as I am, I would only have maybe a year of two of being able to go to those kinds of places before I really do start looking too old. I mean, I'll be 35 in 3 years, so that's what, maybe 3-4 years at the most of trying to make up for lost time?

you better start now bro. fuck what people think. this is your life. i recommend you binge watch gangster and western movies to help you not give a fuck about others except yourself. the world is yours.

at least go in once to get a feel for the place. after that decide if you go back. order a cocktail and relax. i do it all the time solo.

 

[SurgerySoon]

Maybe I'll go in one time, but I'm pretty sure the experience will be just like any other time I have gone in a bar or nightclub, where girls glance at me for 0.2 seconds and then look away as soon as they realize two things: 1.) I'm not attractive; and 2.) I'm way older than the age bracket of guys they'd be attracted to even if I WAS better looking. Also, it's kind of a redneck casual bar with lots of young college dudes wearing tank tops and backwards baseball caps who are super NT.

 

[SHARK]

go mateen

Maybe I'll go in one time, but I'm pretty sure the experience will be just like any other time I have gone in a bar or nightclub, where girls glance at me for 0.2 seconds and then look away as soon as they realize two things: 1.) I'm not attractive; and 2.) I'm way older than the age bracket of guys they'd be attracted to even if I WAS better looking. Also, it's kind of a redneck casual bar with lots of young college dudes wearing tank tops and backwards baseball caps who are super NT.

Do you have friends to go to the bar with?

 

[KEy21]

Go to places with demographics where the ages are higher. There are a lot of higher class places like rooftop bars and restaurant-bar hybrids that are expensive and usually only established professionals or older people go to mingle.

Make some friends at your school and go with them...Or book a table/section and go alone and invite people over.

Once you get your surgeries, your looks will be ample. And once you have your job...Your money will be good enough. Your social skills and NT will determine your fate from there on out.

Just like how many PSL 5 guys are borderline incel, and many PSL 5 guys get laid semi regularly.

 

[SurgerySoon]

go mateen

Do you have friends to go to the bar with?

No

 

[auboutduprecipice]

Maybe I'll go in one time, but I'm pretty sure the experience will be just like any other time I have gone in a bar or nightclub, where girls glance at me for 0.2 seconds and then look away as soon as they realize two things: 1.) I'm not attractive; and 2.) I'm way older than the age bracket of guys they'd be attracted to even if I WAS better looking. Also, it's kind of a redneck casual bar with lots of young college dudes wearing tank tops and backwards baseball caps who are super NT.

don't worry about the clientele at first. worry about getting good with the bartenders. if you want, look around for empty seats next to women and ask if it's free. seriously don't give a fuck what women think just use them for their hole. they are all whores anyway

a good thing to say is that you are upset that your friend committed suicide a year ago or whatever if you have to. or that your parent recently died.

 

[SurgerySoon]

Go to places with demographics where the ages are higher. There are a lot of higher class places like rooftop bars and restaurant-bar hybrids that are expensive and usually only established professionals or older people go to mingle.

Make some friends at your school and go with them...Or book a table/section and go alone and invite people over.

Once you get your surgeries, your looks will be ample. And once you have your job...Your money will be good enough. Your social skills and NT will determine your fate from there on out.

Just like how many PSL 5 guys are borderline incel, and many PSL 5 guys get laid semi regularly.

There aren't really that many places in my city, and moving isn't an option right now. Also, nobody from my school is local since everyone is doing their internships this year in random cities throughout the country. And anyways, even if those factors weren't an issue, I honestly don't think it is possible for me to become NT at this point. Just too much fucked up development during my 20s and 30s. That's what I mean when I say that IDK if it's worth blowing all that money to get more surgeries at my age (and also, getting eye surgery + jaw implant surgery + possibly double jaw surgery just to end up as a PSL 5 sounds like an endeavor that isn't worth spending the money on).

 

[SHARK]

No

over

Go to places with demographics where the ages are higher. There are a lot of higher class places like rooftop bars and restaurant-bar hybrids that are expensive and usually only established professionals or older people go to mingle.

Make some friends at your school and go with them...Or book a table/section and go alone and invite people over.

Once you get your surgeries, your looks will be ample. And once you have your job...Your money will be good enough. Your social skills and NT will determine your fate from there on out.

Just like how many PSL 5 guys are borderline incel, and many PSL 5 guys get laid semi regularly.

Good advice

they are all whores anyway

 

[SurgerySoon]

don't worry about the clientele at first. worry about getting good with the bartenders. if you want, look around for empty seats next to women and ask if it's free. seriously don't give a fuck what women think just use them for their hole. they are all whores anyway

a good thing to say is that you are upset that your friend committed suicide a year ago or whatever if you have to. or that your parent recently died.

Maybe so, but even relatively ugly girls still have Chads fighting over them

 

[Vitruvian]

roid up and go to festivals like @ChadKhan

 

[SurgerySoon]

roid up and go to festivals like @ChadKhan

Definitely looking forward to roiding more if I don't rope first

 

[auboutduprecipice]

Maybe so, but even relatively ugly girls still have Chads fighting over them

irl isn't tinder. don't think like that. irl, chads definitely don't want ugly sluts. fraud whatever you have to.

 

[KEy21]

There aren't really that many places in my city, and moving isn't an option right now. Also, nobody from my school is local since everyone is doing their internships this year in random cities throughout the country. And anyways, even if those factors weren't an issue, I honestly don't think it is possible for me to become NT at this point. Just too much fucked up development during my 20s and 30s. That's what I mean when I say that IDK if it's worth blowing all that money to get more surgeries at my age (and also, getting eye surgery + jaw implant surgery + possibly double jaw surgery just to end up as a PSL 5 sounds like an endeavor that isn't worth spending the money on).

After your surgeries you'll be objectively above PSL 5. Use drugs to increase your NT and lower your inhibition to whatever extent you need. I understand it's tough and the next stage in your life may consist of a lot of uncomfortable moments and finding yourself after you have a new career and new looks, but it's a journey worth exploring.

As someone in your early 30's, you're not incredibly old to the point where things are unsalvageable. You will end up being in the 70th percentile for your age if you get your surgeries, continue to skinmax and stay within a healthy BMI with some muscle.

 

[SurgerySoon]

After your surgeries you'll be objectively above PSL 5. Use drugs to increase your NT and lower your inhibition to whatever extent you need. I understand it's tough and the next stage in your life may consist of a lot of uncomfortable moments and finding yourself after you have a new career and new looks, but it's a journey worth exploring.

As someone in your early 30's, you're not incredibly old to the point where things are unsalvageable. You will end up being in the 70th percentile for your age if you get your surgeries, continue to skinmax and stay within a healthy BMI with some muscle.

Maybe things will be better after all that, but being in the 70th percentile for my age still means that 30% of guys in my age range will be better-looking than me. That's a huge proportion of 30+ males. I know that a lot of guys would be happy moving their way up into that percentile, but I just keep coming back to the realization that I'm not sure if it will actually be worth it to me. What will forever keep me from breaking into the top 30% for guys in my age bracket even after getting eye surgery/jaw implant/double jaw surgery? Lack of warrior skull shape, long-ish midface, what else?

 

[SHARK]

Maybe things will be better after all that, but being in the 70th percentile for my age still means that 30% of guys in my age range will be better-looking than me. That's a huge proportion of 30+ males. I know that a lot of guys would be happy moving their way up into that percentile, but I just keep coming back to the realization that I'm not sure if it will actually be worth it to me. What will forever keep me from breaking into the top 30% for guys in my age bracket even after getting eye surgery/jaw implant/double jaw surgery? Lack of warrior skull shape, long-ish midface, what else?

70th percentile is good enough. Plus good looking guys are bluepilled and mostly married at your age. So you're probably like 80th percentile considering those guys are out of the dating game now.

 

[auboutduprecipice]

Maybe things will be better after all that, but being in the 70th percentile for my age still means that 30% of guys in my age range will be better-looking than me. That's a huge proportion of 30+ males. I know that a lot of guys would be happy moving their way up into that percentile, but I just keep coming back to the realization that I'm not sure if it will actually be worth it to me. What will forever keep me from breaking into the top 30% for guys in my age bracket even after getting eye surgery/jaw implant/double jaw surgery? Lack of warrior skull shape, long-ish midface, what else?

you need to binge watch gangster films asap. ded srs. you're overthinking this largely. i implore you to go this friday or saturday to that bar and just sit in with a cocktail or two.

 

[chadpreetinthemaking]

Go ER on the bar

 

[SurgerySoon]

70th percentile is good enough. Plus good looking guys are bluepilled and mostly married at your age. So you're probably like 80th percentile considering those guys are out of the dating game now.

Ok but still, considering that the general stereotype is that most guys go way downhill starting at 30-31, being only in the 70th percentile still sucks since there's technically less competition (because lots of guys are married and also because lots of guys hit the wall hard). So it's like, even with a lot of the competition being out of the game for those two reasons, I'm still only going to be better-looking than 70% of the relatively few guys left.

you need to binge watch gangster films asap. ded srs. you're overthinking this largely. i implore you to go this friday or saturday to that bar and just sit in with a cocktail or two.

I can't bring myself to voluntarily bring that kind of embarrassment on myself. It's a small place and there are just too many NT young people. I would be laughed out of the building

 

[SHARK]

Ok but still, considering that the general stereotype is that most guys go way downhill starting at 30-31, being only in the 70th percentile still sucks since there's technically less competition (because lots of guys are married and also because lots of guys hit the wall hard). So it's like, even with a lot of the competition being out of the game for those two reasons, I'm still only going to be better-looking than 70% of the relatively few guys left.


I can't bring myself to voluntarily bring that kind of embarrassment on myself. It's a small place and there are just too many NT young people. I would be laughed out of the building

If you're not nt at this point it's probably over

Go ER on the bar

 

[SurgerySoon]

If you're not nt at this point it's probably over

I'm not. And that's the whole point I've been trying to make for the last few months... me not being satisfied with my looksmaxxing ceiling combined with lack of ability to be NT means it's over. Even if I was NT, I still wouldn't be satisfied with my ceiling and it would still be over

 

[SHARK]

I'm not. And that's the whole point I've been trying to make for the last few months... me not being satisfied with my looksmaxxing ceiling combined with lack of ability to be NT means it's over. Even if I was NT, I still wouldn't be satisfied with my ceiling and it would still be over

are you a virgin? I recommend practicing with escorts before trying with real girls. If a girl finds out you're a 30+ virgin its OVER.

 

[SurgerySoon]

are you a virgin? I recommend practicing with escorts before trying with real girls. If a girl finds out you're a 30+ virgin its OVER.

It was over at least 5 years ago. I don't have the $$ to blow on escorts right now. It will probably be months before I can afford anymore surgeries too

 

[KEy21]

If your expectations are to be able to walk into a social setting and have every woman glance on you and hop on your cock, without you having to say anything...You're going to be in for a real surprise.

These surgeries are going to give you a second lease and chance on life.

 

[SurgerySoon]

If your expectations are to be able to walk into a social setting and have every woman glance on you and hop on your cock, without you having to say anything...You're going to be in for a real surprise.

These surgeries are going to give you a second lease and chance on life.

No, I wasn't expecting that at all (I might be mentally ill on some level but I'm not delusional). What I said about not being happy with my looksmaxxing ceiling doesn't actually have 100% to do with girls; it basically goes back to what I've been saying on here as well as back on Lookism about me wanting to become much better-looking for my own satisfaction, and if I'm still not going to be satisfied even when I max out my looks, then what's the point in getting all these surgeries?

As an example, I was disappointed after my first round surgeries not because it didn't make girls more attracted to me, but because I didn't end up looking how I'd hoped I would end up looking. I know that the same thing is going to happen after my next surgeries.

 

[KEy21]

No, I wasn't expecting that at all (I might be mentally ill on some level but I'm not delusional). What I said about not being happy with my looksmaxxing ceiling doesn't actually have 100% to do with girls; it basically goes back to what I've been saying on here as well as back on Lookism about me wanting to become much better-looking for my own satisfaction, and if I'm still not going to be satisfied even when I max out my looks, then what's the point in getting all these surgeries?

As an example, I was disappointed after my first round surgeries not because it didn't make girls more attracted to me, but because I didn't end up looking how I'd hoped I would end up looking. I know that the same thing is going to happen after my next surgeries.

You need to make your expectations realistic. You need to look at before and after results of the surgeries you're planning and apply them realistically to your situation - Then pick the ones that you feel you need the most.

Because what other choices do you have? You will wallow in your misery about how you're not good looking enough if you don't get them. At least you can take the halo of being better looking if you actually go through with them which is probably the most important thing a man can strive to experience.

Another way, is that you can do this the most logical and reasonable way...And this is the route I'd have advised from the very beginning (And I'm sure I might have mentioned it on lookism before you even went to Dr Y in the first place)

Take some more time to think about everything. Have some experiences before you try to book and surgery again. Establish and figure out what you need and what could benefit you the most. And DONT go into debt for the surgeries, and SAVE the money. So that you will be less emotionally burdened by the weighing cost of everything and you will have a backup plan, where you're not working for nothing for months due to interest and paying back surgeries that you might not even be FULLY satisfied with.

 

[SurgerySoon]

You need to make your expectations realistic. You need to look at before and after results of the surgeries you're planning and apply them realistically to your situation - Then pick the ones that you feel you need the most.

Because what other choices do you have? You will wallow in your misery about how you're not good looking enough if you don't get them. At least you can take the halo of being better looking if you actually go through with them which is probably the most important thing a man can strive to experience.

Another way, is that you can do this the most logical and reasonable way...And this is the route I'd have advised from the very beginning (And I'm sure I might have mentioned it on lookism before you even went to Dr Y in the first place)

Take some more time to think about everything. Have some experiences before you try to book and surgery again. Establish and figure out what you need and what could benefit you the most. And DONT go into debt for the surgeries, and SAVE the money. So that you will be less emotionally burdened by the weighing cost of everything and you will have a backup plan, where you're not working for nothing for months due to interest and paying back surgeries that you might not even be FULLY satisfied with.

I get what you are saying, but saving the money to pay for the surgeries in full instead of getting more credit cards would mean putting everything off for a long time (probably several more years), and by that time it will definitely be too late for me (unless Retin-A and Tazorac really are miracle drugs).

IMO, to me there really isn't much of a difference in the emotional burden between paying for surgeries via loans/credit cards and paying for the surgeries upfront, because either way, when/if I'm unsatisfied, I'll regret having spent all that money either way.

You said I don't really have a choice but to get more surgeries since I'll wallow in misery about not being GL enough if I don't get them, but that's just thing... even if I do get them, I'll STILL be wallowing in misery about not being GL enough, because I know that my starting point is too weak for me to get the degree of change I'm looking for.

Before I got my first surgeries, I would stand in front of the mirror and pull my tissues in different ways to simulate how I'd hoped I would end up looking. And now, ~9 months after the surgery, I'm doing the exact same thing since I didn't get the results I was hoping to get. So with that in mind, I can tell you almost for a fact that I'll end up doing the SAME THING after eye and jaw implant surgeries since I know I don't have a strong enough base to get results I'll personally be satisfied with, even if the results are an overall objective improvement.

So even if my looks improve somewhat after surgery, I'm going to find myself right back in this exact same situation of lamenting over my looks, but at that point there won't be anything else I can do to improve them since my base is always going to hold me back. At that point I will probably rope since I will no longer be able to say, "Now I just need surgery to fix X and Y," which means I won't have anything to look forward to anymore.

 

[KEy21]

I get what you are saying, but saving the money to pay for the surgeries in full instead of getting more credit cards would mean putting everything off for a long time (probably several more years), and by that time it will definitely be too late for me (unless Retin-A and Tazorac really are miracle drugs).

IMO, to me there really isn't much of a difference in the emotional burden between paying for surgeries via loans/credit cards and paying for the surgeries upfront, because either way, when/if I'm unsatisfied, I'll regret having spent all that money either way.

You said I don't really have a choice but to get more surgeries since I'll wallow in misery about not being GL enough if I don't get them, but that's just thing... even if I do get them, I'll STILL be wallowing in misery about not being GL enough, because I know that my starting point is too weak for me to get the degree of change I'm looking for.

Before I got my first surgeries, I would stand in front of the mirror and pull my tissues in different ways to simulate how I'd hoped I would end up looking. And now, ~9 months after the surgery, I'm doing the exact same thing since I didn't get the results I was hoping to get. So with that in mind, I can tell you almost for a fact that I'll end up doing the SAME THING after eye and jaw implant surgeries since I know I don't have a strong enough base to get results I'll personally be satisfied with, even if the results are an overall objective improvement.

So even if my looks improve somewhat after surgery, I'm going to find myself right back in this exact same situation of lamenting over my looks, but at that point there won't be anything else I can do to improve them since my base is always going to hold me back. At that point I will probably rope since I will no longer be able to say, "Now I just need surgery to fix X and Y," which means I won't have anything to look forward to anymore.

Implants are not meant to be in your face. It's a miracle our bodies can even tolerate them. They have a limited range of how they can change your face aside from doing the majority of what they're supposed to do.

Yes, you're not going to be a supermodel after the surgeries. Accept it. You will not look like an anime character. Accept it. You will be older, accept it.

Now, once you've accepted those things..You can look at the better side, which is that you'll MOG the majority of men your age. If you take some good dating website etc pics. You can probably have multiple women in rotation at once.

You've missed out on a lot. The best route after your surgeries is probably the red pill since you'll pass the looks threshold. The rest is running your numbers game and trying to figure out the best ways to get the amount of women you want.

I think If you get a possible feedback loop from women, you'll be more satisfied with your looks. I think if you see yourself after Taban etc. You'll be happier at least to some degree.

what you won't be happy with, is being in deeper debt. Even if you say you won't, it's extremely unpleasant in several regards. It's the last thing anyone wants - Irrespective of race, gender, looks etc.

If you're looking for ways out and excuses to rope - Then none of us can help you. Nobody is going to be able to understand it either. You'd be an above average looking white guy in his early 30's with a good job killing himself because he doesn't look like the anime character prince that he wishes he was. It's feminine, child-like behavior and it's a way to avoid the social aspect that you're lacking.

If you have crippling anxiety and an inability to connect with people on a personal level to develop interpersonal relationships, you should address that as well. We've established that fixing your looks for the better isn't going to be the end all be all...There will be problems that accompany it that need a lot if not equal time to be worked on.

Men will work on themselves all throughout their lives. You've been doing it in school for a long time now, you've been doing it with looks as of lately and you're going to continue to do it in many regards for the rest of your life most likely.

 

[looksmaxxed]

you should pack a glock 34 when you go out there for confidence boost. knowing no one can fuck with your physically if shit hits the fan and you commit a social faux pas.

and worst case scenario, if things do end up being absolutely over, very convenient to just go er right then and there

 

[SurgerySoon]

Implants are not meant to be in your face. It's a miracle our bodies can even tolerate them. They have a limited range of how they can change your face aside from doing the majority of what they're supposed to do.

Yes, you're not going to be a supermodel after the surgeries. Accept it. You will not look like an anime character. Accept it. You will be older, accept it.

Now, once you've accepted those things..You can look at the better side, which is that you'll MOG the majority of men your age. If you take some good dating website etc pics. You can probably have multiple women in rotation at once.

You've missed out on a lot. The best route after your surgeries is probably the red pill since you'll pass the looks threshold. The rest is running your numbers game and trying to figure out the best ways to get the amount of women you want.

I think If you get a possible feedback loop from women, you'll be more satisfied with your looks. I think if you see yourself after Taban etc. You'll be happier at least to some degree.

what you won't be happy with, is being in deeper debt. Even if you say you won't, it's extremely unpleasant in several regards. It's the last thing anyone wants - Irrespective of race, gender, looks etc.

If you're looking for ways out and excuses to rope - Then none of us can help you. Nobody is going to be able to understand it either. You'd be an above average looking white guy in his early 30's with a good job killing himself because he doesn't look like the anime character prince that he wishes he was. It's feminine, child-like behavior and it's a way to avoid the social aspect that you're lacking.

If you have crippling anxiety and an inability to connect with people on a personal level to develop interpersonal relationships, you should address that as well. We've established that fixing your looks for the better isn't going to be the end all be all...There will be problems that accompany it that need a lot if not equal time to be worked on.

Men will work on themselves all throughout their lives. You've been doing it in school for a long time now, you've been doing it with looks as of lately and you're going to continue to do it in many regards for the rest of your life most likely.

I think it's just a combination of issues that honestly make it over with for me... age, looks ceiling being too low (regardless of what girls think), etc. There is also the location issue, which probably won't be fixed even if I'm done with school. I made the mistake of choosing a field that has a really saturated job market, and it pretty much isn't possible to get a job in the bigger cities that have the kinds of clubs and bars I'll need to live close to. There is a good chance I might have to live in a rural area for at least a couple of years to get experience before I can move to a larger city. In a worst-case scenario, I may even have to go back to school to become qualified for a similar but different career that has a much better job market. That could take 2-2.5 more years.

So in other words, it could be a couple more years before I'm able to get a job in the large cities I'll need to be in/around in order to be around higher end bars, clubs, social scenes, etc.

So there are a lot more factors working against me here than for me.

And that's not even taking into consideration the debt issue; like I said in my last post, if I'm going to save up the money for the surgeries first, then that also means putting them off for another 2 years. At that point I will be WAY TOO OLD for anything but relationships with older women.

There are just way too many factors that make it unlikely that I'll ever be able to attain what I'm trying to get here. That's also not even considering the fact that I know I won't be satisfied with my looks after my next surgeries. I don't even think I'd be satisfied if I got double jaw surgery, because I'd still need to change overall skull shape/phenotype before I could be satisfied.

BTW, I'm not sure why you think I want to look like an anime character. I've never even watched anime. Is the typical "Hot Guy Chad" look synonymous with an anime character stereotype? (serious question) Would you say that those chad Army guys whose photos I posted about a week ago fall under the unattainable anime character stereotype label?

you should pack a glock 34 when you go out there for confidence boost. knowing no one can fuck with your physically if shit hits the fan and you commit a social faux pas.

and worst case scenario, if things do end up being absolutely over, very convenient to just go er right then and there

Even if I do decide to rope soon, I've never really had it in me to want to take out others. I mean, how can I blame girls for wanting to take advantage of the fact that they can have their choice of chads to hook up with?

 

[autistic_tendencies]

It’s all cope, man

Most of those guys just end up wasting tons of money on useless drinks and finish the night jerking themselves off all alone

 

[SurgerySoon]

It’s all cope, man

Most of those guys just end up wasting tons of money on useless drinks and finish the night jerking themselves off all alone

That's what I'm saying. If legitimate chads (or anime character princes or whatever the hell you want to call them) often leave the nightclubs and bars without having gotten anywhere with a single girl, why should I expect that it will end any better for me?

 

[Pu33]

Shit I really needed to read this. Thanks OP going to really get off my arse this time.
Serious.

 

[SurgerySoon]

Shit I really needed to read this. Thanks OP going to really get off my arse this time.
Serious.

NP. Whatever you do, just don't let enough time pass that you eventually end up in the same situation in life as me when you're my age.

 

[Pu33]

NP. Whatever you do, just don't let enough time pass that you eventually end up in the same situation in life as me when you're my age.

What led you to be so isoltaed? Any life tips im 26 at the moment and my psl isn't an issue, what would you have done differently 6 years ago?

 

[looksmaxxed]

if your looks aren't an issue, there is no issue. that's the secret they won't tell you. they tell you to focus on a million little things that won't factor at all in how well you can live your life. looksmax early and effectively. looks are EVERYTHING

 

[SurgerySoon]

What led you to be so isoltaed? Any life tips im 26 at the moment and my psl isn't an issue, what would you have done differently 6 years ago?

I'm not 100% sure but I'm guessing it was due to a variety of factors -- genetics, my upbringing, location, harsh competition from other guys, high inhib, etc. If I could go back to 6 years ago, I would've gotten PS back then (I actually wanted it then but couldn't afford it at the time) and moved immediately to a bigger city with a lot more large nightclubs and bars, since a 6 years younger version of me wouldn't be too old to go to those kinds of venues like I am now.

 

[Pu33]

I'm not 100% sure but I'm guessing it was due to a variety of factors -- genetics, my upbringing, location, harsh competition from other guys, high inhib, etc. If I could go back to 6 years ago, I would've gotten PS back then (I actually wanted it then but couldn't afford it at the time) and moved immediately to a bigger city with a lot more large nightclubs and bars, since a 6 years younger version of me wouldn't be too old to go to those kinds of venues like I am now.

So at 32, you look old right? I mean how over is it? Cant you get PS now? I get the age thing but there are exlsuive over 28 clubs everywhere and I see late thirties people all the time if I go out. The only time people seem out of place is when they actually look sterotypical 40 + I mean the guy in my avi is 42 and probably wouldnt look so out of place.

 

[SurgerySoon]

So at 32, you look old right? I mean how over is it? Cant you get PS now? I get the age thing but there are exlsuive over 28 clubs everywhere and I see late thirties people all the time if I go out. The only time people seem out of place is when they actually look sterotypical 40 + I mean the guy in my avi is 42 and probably wouldnt look so out of place.

Yeah, I pretty much look old but not as bad as some guys my age. I have already undergone two PS procedures (custom midface and chin implants). I've never heard of over-28 clubs. You mean they actually card people and don't let them in if they're under 28? Are these just in big cities?

 

[Pu33]

Yeah, I pretty much look old but not as bad as some guys my age. I have already undergone two PS procedures (custom midface and chin implants). I've never heard of over-28 clubs. You mean they actually card people and don't let them in if they're under 28? Are these just in big cities?

Yeah pretty much, they check id eitherway but if you are under 28 you are asked to leave, sometimes they will still let you in but not likely and yeah big cities I guess.

 

[SurgerySoon]

Yeah pretty much, they check id eitherway but if you are under 28 you are asked to leave, sometimes they will still let you in but not likely and yeah big cities I guess.

I just googled "over 28 clubs," and all the search results pertained to clubs in Australia. I'm assuming that's where you live? Unfortunately, I don't think over 28 clubs are actually a thing here in the US (or at least, I haven't heard of them). I would love to be proven wrong, though

 

[Pu33]

I just googled "over 28 clubs," and all the search results pertained to clubs in Australia. I'm assuming that's where you live? Unfortunately, I don't think over 28 clubs are actually a thing here in the US (or at least, I haven't heard of them). I would love to be proven wrong, though

Maybe they call it something else. Try looking around.

 

[eetfuk]

The guys you see on the patio, what makes them good-looking?

 

[SurgerySoon]

The guys you see on the patio, what makes them good-looking?

Frame, forward growth, compact midfaces, sharp ramuses with low jaw angles, stubble, backwards hats, basically the stereotypical southeastern US frat bro chad phenotype. A lot of them sort of look like young Chris Carmacks but less pretty. Very jocky