Any particular expander your interested in or just everything?OP please PM or tag me when you find something out
im also interested in palate expander options in europe
thanks!
Primarily, I want to see what are the options, there is no use chasing something that is unattainable
I myself plan on getting EASE in Germany it will probably cost me 5k Euros. I have found a orthodontist local to the surgeon in Germany who will do an MSE however I would really prefer a TPD however I am yet to find someone who might offer that either in Germany or in any other country.Primarily, I want to see what are the options, there is no use chasing something that is unattainable
So far I've heard from @NegativeNorwood that EASE is a good option, but I really don't know about the others, I need to educate myself on this topic more
brother please update about providers of EASE in Germany if you find someone who does it, and providers of TPD type of treatment. bare in mind they arent routine options
Sure I've send of some emails I'll let you know if the respond and what they say.
I've been looking into
www.medizinundaesthetik.de
5K Euro for EASE, JesusSure I've send of some emails I'll let you know if the respond and what they say.
I've been looking into
And spoke to a previous patient of theirs on discord and he paid 5k Euros. Not including MSE which probably cost 2-3k Euros.Endoscopically-assisted surgical expansion (EASE)
@NegativeNorwood ya seeing this?Sure I've send of some emails I'll let you know if the respond and what they say.
I've been looking into
And spoke to a previous patient of theirs on discord and he paid 5k Euros. Not including MSE which probably cost 2-3k Euros.Endoscopically-assisted surgical expansion (EASE)
5k is a fucking lot, and I don't know if it's worth it over MSE
@NegativeNorwood ya seeing this?
looksmax.org
Yep, thats so overpriced I guess its because he invented EASE but still it's ridiculous for a few cuts. I don't know if that price includes the MSE/TPD but still that's insane. Jews always try to take you for everything you got.
We will mog Niko with our 12 tooth smiles.We are all going to smile mog hard
Thanks, I'll take a look at it.PS: @Mongrelcel This post could be helpful to you and also to @Nims
12 tooth smile is an unmoggable trait. Swallow the smilepill.
@Silver Just to be sure, when you mention posterior expansion with SARPE, you mean more expansion to the very last molars than the intermediate ones? I've always thought that SARPE expanded the entire smile, like this: Lots of of posterior expansion would be needed for a smile like Rodrigo...
I live in the UK, but I will probably travel as after some research this seems like a decent surgeon to go with, TBH its so hard to find someone offering EASE at a half decent price.
I just saw his response no he didn't have insurance, Thats how much it cost without insurance.
No thats for the EASE, which is very reasonable.
Um, EASE and MSE arent the same thing.
TPD is like 100% skeletal expansion, unlike the MSE which is like 50% I think. It also has significantly less risk with asymmetries.
IkrBluepilled and misleading clinic. Dr Juan Carlos Perez Varela in Spain, who invented the Power Expander seems like the best bet tbh. That in theory should be the very best device for palate expansion, it mogs the MSE device to mumbai and back.
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Bull Power Expander vs cuck MSE. Literally the "guy she told you to not worry about vs you" meme
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Ikr
"The MSE allows for better control of the expansion and ensures parallel movement of the maxillary halves."
MSE usually always results in asymmetries lol. TPD is far superior. Yet all this bogus about its not as easy to control.
Any idea how much skeletal focus the power expander has? I think TPD has like 100% its basically all skeletal.
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Fuck it can get "18mm of expansion"
Fuck it can get "18mm of expansion"
Imma email Dr Juan C Perez Varela right now. (I'll email his practice not that site you linked I think that's just for the orths to request expanders from)
Any idea on price and treatment time.
I doubt I would achieve that tho, though that's probably quite rare, it is a shit ton of expansion.God gift tier expander, up to 18 mm of even, parallel expansion
Yep I'll let you know I've sent him an email inquiring about if he offers the TPD(Probably wont but worth an ask altho after reading the above I would probably go with Power expander anyways) or the Power expander, I have then asked if he would be willing to do EASE probably get a response in 1-3 days.
I got no idea myself how much this might cost tbh, do you think under 15k Euros would be realistic?
Yeah Im probably going to need wisdoms removed myself, but I don't think I will get implants as I'll be getting a Bimax after so I will maybe wait until after then.because I also need two molar implants after that
Yep of course.
Ah thats less than I expected tbh, Im hoping he will do everything himself as that will keep the costs down I think.
Christ that's a lot of missing teeth. I get why you want molar implants. Any idea how much those cost?
Would the power expander + EASE be the best bet at palatal expansion if you have preexisting asymmetry? The device is custom fit so expansion is fine-tuned as opposed to MSE which should even be able to correct asymmetry with consistent monitoring. I have some asymmetry I don't want to exacerbate but direly need palatal expansion.Fuck it can get "18mm of expansion"
Imma email Dr Juan C Perez Varela right now. (I'll email his practice not that site you linked I think that's just for the orths to request expanders from)
Any idea on price and treatment time.
I would assume so.
Did email Dr Juan Carlos Perez Varela almost a week ago. He hasn't responded yet.
I got no idea tbh but from my understanding Expansion through surgical cuts and expanders usually is the best option for a narrow maxillia, as for asymmetries Idk tbh I think its best not to go with something cucked like the MSE as that will accentuate the asymmetries due to the amount of force it can produce (It wont produce enough to just push it apart and will result in one side taking the brute of the expansion) instead going with something like the TPD or Power expander is your best bet as its significantly more powerful and fully bone bourne which will result in less asymetries if none at all.
Nope.
Joining the chat here in this thread. ChristianChad kindly linked this thread as elsewhere we were discussing EASE (In fact, NIM's thread) and they linked me to this thread to continue the convo. I'm also serious about seeking consult for maxillary expansion as I've a mild sleep apnea / respiratory resistance syndrome condition which has bothered me for donkeys years, so I'll defininteyl be keen for that breathing benefit from EASE + TDP.
looks like a good brow ridge though, despite all the other negs u mentionted!
Why do you prefer TPD over MSE?
Does TPD also expand the whole face and disrupt sutures like MSE? increasing zygomatic, orbital, nasal /palatal width and volume?
it does, but TPD (or any expander really) is almost always done with a surgical assist in men over a certain age (like out of puberty)
I'm a youngcel, it'd be unecessary
Disagree, i need the lip width, cheekbones and god willing orbital width increase as well
Whats the best bone borne expander on the market? Thoughts on MSE 2? and do you know where one could learn more about the TPD power expander? Know of any orthos who provide it ?
you know your face the best, and what you need to increase your looksDisagree, i need the lip width, cheekbones and god willing orbital width increase as well
I've known many people who've been very happy (teens) with their facial changes from MSE, zygomatic flaring, tighter full paranasal area, lifted eyes, etc
as far as I know, faster protocol = more disruption and more changes to the skull, but to make a noticeable change that far away from the palate, you'd be running the risk of serious asymmetries IMO
the Power expander is very good, I have no opinion on MSE 2, but please do reach out to me when you find some info as the German clinic posted in this thread offers a good price (7k for EASE and expander) uses the MSE 2 device
True
Too huge zygos in mass arent ideal. Vertically small, laterally flared and high is the aesthetic ideal
Thought it was the opposite, also slow expansion means sutres stay disrupted more, slower expansion is ideal for youngcels though, also it allows the rest of the facial bones to remodel, instead of the force absorbers in the face collapsing and bending
Yea that's what im trying to find info on
Damn
@Nims
I have read through all the retard threads, the way I understood the protocol speed is that with the faster protocol the bone does not have the time to "bend", but I'm not completely sureThought it was the opposite, also slow expansion means sutres stay disrupted more, slower expansion is ideal for youngcels though, also it allows the rest of the facial bones to remodel, instead of the force absorbers in the face collapsing and bending
@@retard talks about it in some of his threads
are you talking about a facemask?
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
for the reasons you want (disruption, maximum changes) I would def go into the Power expander or TPD and would not risk the MSE, but I'll try to find out what the differences are since I only will be going for expansion less than a centimeter and purely for the dental or benefits aka fixing my teeth and smile, so the MSE 2 might be a viable choice for me even tho the expansion might not be 100% skeletal
Which is stronger and more bone-borne, TPD or the Power expander?
Tbh Im not quite sure I expect it has alot to do with how the expander is fitted. I have seen some TPD devises expand up to 24mm while the power expander has a limit of I think 18mm. (At least thats what they say on their site they might be able to expand more idk).
Hi, I’m interested in an EASE style treatment, please can you PM me? I’m currently already in talks with a maxillo, but they’re unwilling to increase my intra-nasal space and I do really need the breathing benefit of the EASE
