1 year of hard mewing (pics)

[IWantToMax]

Just felt like sharing those.

Yes the tongue position is different, but teeth were tipped inwards in the before.

Now the lower and upper arches are wider and teeth are not as badly tipped inwards.

September 2018

October 2018

November 2018

September 2019

Getting a palate expander + invisalign to fix teeth

 

[Slyfex8]

For how many hours per day do you press hard?

Do you apply as much force as you can?

 

[IWantToMax]

For how many hours per day do you press hard?

Do you apply as much force as you can?

24 hours.
I don't even need to bother paying attention to doing it anymore. It is just my natural tongue positioning.

I press upwards with slight force.
I pay attention to keeping my teeth not completely touching, but lightly touching.

When I will reach ideal arches I will stick to regular chewing, which seems to be prone to giving better anesthetics (temporarily)

 

[Slyfex8]

24 hours.
I don't even need to bother paying attention to doing it anymore. It is just my natural tongue positioning.

I press upwards with slight force.
I pay attention to keeping my teeth not completely touching, but lightly touching.

When I will reach ideal arches I will stick to regular chewing, which seems to be prone to giving better anesthetics (temporarily)

And what is the goal actually? You try to expand your palate only or induce forward or/and upward growth?

 

[Deleted member 2788]

Looks the same tbh just different angles lol

 

[IWantToMax]

And what is the goal actually? You try to expand your palate only or induce forward or/and upward growth?

Both actually.

But for inducing forward growth/upswing I feel like chewing is more effective.

I am now chewing hard gums 5 times a week with 1st molars/back teeth.

Got great gains with mandible width by chewing

Looks the same tbh just different angles lol

Yeah. Only difference is that 6 teeth show when opening my mouth instead of 2.
Thats just angle. Keep coping

Notice how the overall arches shape changed.

 

[Slyfex8]

Both actually.

But for inducing forward growth/upswing I feel like chewing is more effective.

I am now chewing hard gums 5 times a week with 1st molars/back teeth.

Got great gains with mandible width by chewing

Yeah. Only difference is that 6 teeth show when opening my mouth instead of 2.
Thats just angle. Keep coping

Yes, it looks like mewing/chewing can at least induce an expansion of the maxilla and the lower jaw there are already quite a few cases that prove it, this said I am definitely less sure about the upswing/forward growth, it would take hard mewing with incredible determination to apply the maximum possible force in the right direction, and in a symmetrical way.

Also I recently learned that biting with the anterior teeth of the both arch in contact (So biting forward with the mandible) should involve a backward movement of the mandible alveolar complex, and a forward movement of the maxilla alveolar complex, which would give to the mandible the room to move forward.

For a real upswing and forward movement of the maxilla, I still believe that facepulling with the right tools is the only non-surgical solution.

 

[IWantToMax]

Yes, it looks like mewing/chewing can at least induce an expansion of the maxilla and the lower jaw there are already quite a few cases that prove it, this said I am definitely less sure about the upswing/forward growth, it would take hard mewing with incredible determination to apply the maximum possible force in the right direction, and in a symmetrical way.

Also I recently learned that biting with the anterior teeth of the both arch in contact (So biting forward with the mandible) should involve a backward movement of the mandible alveolar complex, and a forward movement of the maxilla alveolar complex, which would give to the mandible the room to move forward.

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For a real upswing and forward movement of the maxilla, I still believe that facepulling with the right tools is the only non-surgical solution.

Well, I am not really sure about chewing and forward growth.
I had seen a picture showing the forces being applied to the skull in relation to biting with specific areas of your mouth.

I came to the conclusion chewing with 1st molars/back teeth may actually help with forward growth.

What I suggested seemed to have been confirmed by Mike Mew in an old video that's now deleted, another user said.
I'm pretty confident about that tbh.

 

[Slyfex8]

Well, I am not really sure about chewing and forward growth.
I had seen a picture showing the forces being applied to the skull in relation to biting with specific areas of your mouth.

I came to the conclusion chewing with 1st molars/back teeth may actually help with forward growth.

What I suggested seemed to have been confirmed by Mike Mew in an old video that's now deleted, another user said.
I'm pretty confident about that tbh.

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Are you sure that we aren't speak about more a shortening of the maxilla bone? I have heard several times that those who chewed abusively or had pathologies that forced them to force their teeth together have very "short" faces

 

[Deusmaximus]

Notice how the overall arches shape changed.
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You just opened your mouth different and holded the upper lip pressure on the teeth. Overall 0 difference. On the first picture you also draw the orange line over your teeth, so its not a reallistic line. Sorry little mewer, but you need sarpe or expander, and then braces. Invisalign will bring you nothing.

 

[IWantToMax]

Are you sure that we aren't speak about more a shortening of the maxilla bone? I have heard several times that those who chewed abusively or had pathologies that forced them to force their teeth together have very "short" faces

I don't see how it could be happening.
Bones can't just disappear, nor shorten considerably.

People who put on implant Lose mm of bones in decades. I don't see how it could be happening with just chewing.

Chewing could give the effect of a shorter midface by widening the zygomaticus region as there's lot of stress put there

You just opened your mouth different and holded the upper lip pressure on the teeth. Overall 0 difference. On the first picture you also draw the orange line over your teeth, so its not a reallistic line. Sorry little mewer, but you need sarpe or expander, and then braces. Invisalign will bring you nothing.

I'm going to put on an expander, as I already stated

 

[Deleted member 685]

I hate to say it but just get braces bro

 

[IWantToMax]

You just opened your mouth different and holded the upper lip pressure on the teeth. Overall 0 difference. On the first picture you also draw the orange line over your teeth, so its not a reallistic line. Sorry little mewer, but you need sarpe or expander, and then braces. Invisalign will bring you nothing.

By the way I just checked the picture.

In the before I drew the line over back teeth only, just slightly on the front ones.

In the after A bit of line goes over my teeth aswell.

The difference is clear. The front of my arches got from a V shape to a U shape.

I'm not here to convince you, nor anybody.

I hate to say it but just get braces bro

I know man, I'm getting them + invisalign soon

 

[Deleted member 685]

By the way I just checked the picture.

In the before I drew the line over back teeth only, just slightly on the front ones.

In the after A bit of line goes over my teeth aswell.

The difference is clear. The front of my arches got from a V shape to a U shape.

I'm not here to convince you, nor anybody.

I know man, I'm getting them + invisalign soon

Good luck!

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Yes, it looks like mewing/chewing can at least induce an expansion of the maxilla and the lower jaw there are already quite a few cases that prove it, this said I am definitely less sure about the upswing/forward growth, it would take hard mewing with incredible determination to apply the maximum possible force in the right direction, and in a symmetrical way.

Also I recently learned that biting with the anterior teeth of the both arch in contact (So biting forward with the mandible) should involve a backward movement of the mandible alveolar complex, and a forward movement of the maxilla alveolar complex, which would give to the mandible the room to move forward.

View attachment 153345

For a real upswing and forward movement of the maxilla, I still believe that facepulling with the right tools is the only non-surgical solution.

can you even just mandible and mew at the same time ? i can't
and your incisors should touch themselves ? it gives me kinda bruxism

 

[IWantToMax]

Good luck!

Thanks man, I hope I will be able to get to 55mm Intermolar width

 

[Bewusst]

Narrow af dental arches

 

[IWantToMax]

Narrow af dental arches

Kills me 40mm

 

[Ethnicope]

Great progress, how old are you?

 

[Slyfex8]

can you even just mandible and mew at the same time ? i can't
and your incisors should touch themselves ? it gives me kinda bruxism

If I'm not mistaken, it's not a position you want to keep, it's a position you want to adopt from time to time/to most of the time when you chew, it's not necessarily "natural" to use these teeth so often on unsuitable food, but you have to think that our ancestors probably tore up meat that way.

 

[IWantToMax]

Great progress, how old are you?

I was 17 last September, I'm now 18

 

[Bewusst]

Kills me 40mm

Mine look like 1.5x as wide as yours but I have a wide midface which looks bad on me with low intergonial width. Keep chewing though, I got some visible expansion from chewing more.

 

[IWantToMax]

Mine look like 1.5x as wide as yours but I have a wide midface which looks bad on me with low intergonial width. Keep chewing though, I got some visible expansion from chewing more.

Yeah I will definitely.
Already gained some jaw width from chewing.