17 y/o oral cycle (advice really appreciated)

[looksmaxlearner]

I am going back on a "cylce" again I have some experience with enclo, reta, sema, and mk aswell as ai. So not entirely new but I am trying a different approach of mk 677- 20 mg daily to boost gh, I know its a minimal boost but its the best oral for the pathway.

In terms of test I have 1100 ng/dl total, yet the physical effects are not too prominant. I did alot of research and have decided on taking proviron to increase free test and masculization. All and any advice is much appreciated, thank you

 

[looksmaxlearner]

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[-=t3rm1n4t0r_2005=-]

why not pin if you are ready for oral only side effects

 

[looksmaxlearner]

rents caught me with reta ad cjc fucking 400 down thr drain

 

[luckycel]

I am going back on a "cylce" again I have some experience with enclo, reta, sema, and mk aswell as ai. So not entirely new but I am trying a different approach of mk 677- 20 mg daily to boost gh, I know its a minimal boost but its the best oral for the pathway.

In terms of test I have 1100 ng/dl total, yet the physical effects are not too prominant. I did alot of research and have decided on taking proviron to increase free test and masculization. All and any advice is much appreciated, thank you

Proviron boosts DHT; you need actual bioidentical testosterone to induce masculinisation(especially in the face, in your dick as well though). There's already sort of limited evidence that testosterone itself does anything for bones(facial masculinisation), so taking a shitty oral synthetic derivative of DHT is probably not gonna be that effective if you're looking to increase dick size and bone mass. Though if you're not using it for bones, I guess it could be a good voicemax, but that's about all it's good for. If you can source it, do testosterone undecanoate(oral testosterone).

Also, Mk677 is alright, but it might not even be worth it if you're trying to use it for height. Firstly, since you're 17, your growth plates are already partially closed and desensitized to IGF-1 signaling, it's sort of like watering a dead plant, and based on this study, Mk677 seems to work much better at bringing those deficient in gh up to par rather than boosting already high/normal gh levels. It's nothing like GH in the sense that it doesn't give people bigger hands or any significant side effects like that, which indicates that it's not that strong at boosting GH.

The true blackpill is that there's no good, cheap compound that will make you significantly taller. Even high doses of pharma-grade GH barely increase height, and that usually gives people insane side effects like their head or ears or hands growing at an abnormal rate. Unless that's happening to you you can be pretty sure that whatever you're taking is probably not working that well at increasing GH.

 

[looksmaxlearner]

Proviron boosts DHT; you need actual bioidentical testosterone to induce masculinisation(especially in the face, in your dick as well though). There's already sort of limited evidence that testosterone itself does anything for bones(facial masculinisation), so taking a shitty oral synthetic derivative of DHT is probably not gonna be that effective if you're looking to increase dick size and bone mass. Though if you're not using it for bones, I guess it could be a good voicemax, but that's about all it's good for. If you can source it, do testosterone undecanoate(oral testosterone).

Also, Mk677 is alright, but it might not even be worth it if you're trying to use it for height. Firstly, since you're 17, your growth plates are already partially closed and desensitized to IGF-1 signaling, it's sort of like watering a dead plant, and based on this study, Mk677 seems to work much better at bringing those deficient in gh up to par rather than boosting already high/normal gh levels. It's nothing like GH in the sense that it doesn't give people bigger hands or any significant side effects like that, which indicates that it's not that strong at boosting GH.

The true blackpill is that there's no good, cheap compound that will make you significantly taller. Even high doses of pharma-grade GH barely increase height, and that usually gives people insane side effects like their head or ears or hands growing at an abnormal rate. Unless that's happening to you you can be pretty sure that whatever you're taking is probably not working that well at increasing GH.

hella knowledge drop on the post. preciate u taking the time. Im really just taking mk cuz its cheap and i get better sleep and recover on it. Im taking it with enclomaphine which increased my test to 1100 last time. Do you have any recomendations for masculization liek voice facial etc becuase thats what i was goign for with the dht. Idgaf abt height. In terms of facial deveopment is there anything to assist with this. I thought proviron would be decent due to the androgenic effect which has been shown to increase facial development and libido although if it does any masculization that would be sick. If you have any reccomendations pls mk

 

[m0ss26]

ur retarded if you take proviron.

and pin HGH or LDAR

 

[luckycel]

hella knowledge drop on the post. preciate u taking the time. Im really just taking mk cuz its cheap and i get better sleep and recover on it. Im taking it with enclomaphine which increased my test to 1100 last time. Do you have any recomendations for masculization liek voice facial etc becuase thats what i was goign for with the dht. Idgaf abt height. In terms of facial deveopment is there anything to assist with this. I thought proviron would be decent due to the androgenic effect which has been shown to increase facial development and libido although if it does any masculization that would be sick. If you have any reccomendations pls mk

Dude, just pin testosterone. Enclomiphene lowers IGF-1, and Proviron sucks. You need to realize that taking a specific derivative of anything that seems to target a specific pathway is probably ten times less effective than just taking the general boring hormone that is known to do that and work. Like, yeah, DHT technically should masculinise your face and make it more developed, but there are no studies on increasing DHT to supraphysiological levels without doing the same to your testosterone. We only know that it is REQUIRED for bone growth, not that it's somehow the main driver, and that only increasing DHT beyond normal levels without increasing testosterone helps. DHT isn't even the main driver of your larynx thickening.

So my advice is to either pin testosterone, or if you're really a pussy just take oral testosterone. DHT by itself could or could not work for facial masculinisation, at the end of the day, though, testosterone is the main driver of all of the things you want. DHT probably only works well if it converts from testosterone, since that's literally how your body makes/uses it. Taking DHT instead of testosterone is like taking IGF-1 instead of HGH for height. We don't know all of the complex mechanisms behind height growth, so it's retarded to take anything that specific, which doesn't mimic how the body would naturally induce height growth. Same thing with androgens. Like, sure, it's good to take specific androgens if you already have a testosterone base, because you're optimizing more pathways than not by doing that. But if you're doing single compound cycles, it's best to take stuff that targets as many possible pathways as possible, even if it's technically not as potent sometimes.

 

[looksmaxlearner]

Ok sounds good I appreciate it it. I would fully take test, just need some advice on dosing and cycle.

 

[looksmaxlearner]

Im thinking 6-8 week cycle of 350 mg test E, is it possible to pct with enclo as Im on a money crunch casino is not paying rn lmao

 

[luckycel]

Im thinking 6-8 week cycle of 350 mg test E, is it possible to pct with enclo as Im on a money crunch casino is not paying rn lmao

You can totally PCT with enclomiphene; there's no issue there, just don't take it as a testosterone base. 350mg is good, it'll put you at around 2500-3500 ng/dl, which is supraphysiological and will probably get you what you want(in terms of voicemaxxing, dickmaxxing, etc.). Honestly, though, it's not that high a dose for noticeable bone development at your age. It's barely supraphysiological, so you'd have to take it for multiple years to notice significant bone development and ascend. Just see how you feel and since testosterone is very cheap(and you're most likely going to tolerate it well), you could probably eventually even double that dose if you want faster results. 600mg is a pretty standard dose for bodybuilding, for example. At 350mg you're most likely not gonna need an AI, so there's no need to worry about that.

 

[looksmaxlearner]

I have decided on 500 mg test E for 20 weeks. Should i use enclo after my final week for 4-6 weeks? and if youo have anny other tips for a test cycle lmk thanks for the advice your hella knowledgable

 

[Rando [maxer]]

Proviron will make you loose your hair and grow a beard, but you cant expect anything that will improve your looks