440 ng/dl testosterone, and wierd thyroid results, possible pituitary tumor?

[TsarTsar444]

Had bloost testing for blood cell status, surface level androgen test and thyroid test, the results were subhuman tier (i wasn't suprised about testosterone levels one bit, hoped i was hypogonadal to get prescription TRT)

White blood cell count was 12.0 (normal 0.0-10.00)

Total testosterone 440 ng/dl (normal 80-850 jfllll whats next 10 is normal?)
Androstendione 2.6 (normal 0.5-3.0)

Thyroid:
TSH 5.5 (normal 0.1-4.5)
Free T4 1.5 (normal 0.9-1.8)
Free T3 4.6 (normal 2.3-4.3)

This is the weirdest one, very rare thyroid results in medical literature, the combo of high TSH which is almost always present in hypothyroidism BUT with HYPERthyroid tier free T3 levels and ideal free T4 levels. This is caused by just two things, thyroid hormone resistance or pituitary benign tumor.

Im going to go to a private endocrinologist next month and do a full hormonal test this time (free T, estrogen, cortisol, progesterone, dhea-s, shbg, lh, fsh, vit D, folate, vit B12). And see whats going on exactly.

My bad blood results could be the cause of:

-subhuman vit D (haven't seen the sun in months unironically go outside only when its night)

-subhuman folate and b12

-i slept 4.5 hours when i took that test

-i took diazepam and ritalin the night before

-and my WBC was 12.0 which could indicate inflammation in my body which is known to cuck testosterone and thyroid. Btw i got a flu that afternoon on the same day i did the blood test, so maybe it fucked with my results or something

-the medication i take for IBD, azathioprine has been shown to damage the leydig cells in the testis which produce sperm and testosterone

@Nad Idk what other ray peat boyos to tag here, most of them are gone brutal

 

[Deleted member 21044]

Over. Also healthy testosterone is 1000ngdl+

What's your testicle volume btw?

 

[TsarTsar444]

Over. Also healthy testosterone is 1000ngdl+

What's your testicle volume btw?

Idk bro, average at best i would guess. Do you honestly think it would make a difference if i had 1000 instead of 440? Tbh i said all the stuff that can influence it, next time i will go full sober with 8 hours sleep and hopefully with no inflammation.

 

[Deleted member 21044]

Idk bro, average at best i would guess. Do you honestly think it would make a difference if i had 1000 instead of 440? Tbh i said all the stuff that can influence it, next time i will go full sober with 8 hours sleep and hopefully with no inflammation.

T levels make a BIG difference mentally.

 

[TsarTsar444]

T levels make a BIG difference mentally.

Bro i feel lost, the full hormonal test next month is the only thing calming me down, im coping that my vit D, folate and b12 is subhuman tier and correctinf it will make me 700ng/dl or more.

Also im hopping i have pituitary tumor (its non fatal) and removing it will fix everything. Just look at my thyroid results, alien tier levels

 

[Deleted member 21044]

Bro i feel lost, the full hormonal test next month is the only thing calming me down, im coping that my vit D, folate and b12 is subhuman tier and correctinf it will make me 700ng/dl or more.

Also im hopping i have pituitary tumor (its non fatal) and removing it will fix everything. Just look at my thyroid results, alien tier levels

Do semen retention, start tanning, eat well, move a bit and you can get 1000+ from 440 baseline within a month.

 

[HerpDerpson]

T levels make a BIG difference mentally.

Not sure about that. I felt the same when injecting a brodose of test and after I stopped injecting PCT didn't help and it stayed lower than what it was before injecting. Mentally felt the same on all 3, the only way I could tell the difference is libido.
However, maybe it's different for natural testosterone.

 

[Deleted member 21044]

Not sure about that. I felt the same when injecting a brodose of test and after I stopped injecting PCT didn't help and it stayed lower than what it was before injecting. Mentally felt the same on all 3, the only way I could tell the difference is libido.
However, maybe it's different for natural testosterone.

It is different, injected t doesn't substitute natural fully, only the more basic effects.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Do semen retention, start tanning, eat well, move a bit and you can get 1000+ from 440 baseline within a month.

Im waiting for April cause March is subhuman tier clody here with low UV index, gonna tan everyday for 30 minutes on mid day sun with my face covered with a towel to not get aging tho.

But as i said, i will get a full hormonal test in April, its possible i have some tumor or just subhuman vit d and folate, who knows

About semen retention, jfl my libido is super low, i haven't masturbated in 2 weeks btw, don't feel an urge for it

 

[Deleted member 21044]

About semen retention, jfl my libido is super low, i haven't masturbated in 2 weeks btw, don't feel an urge for it

Makes sense at that T level. Many are so degenerate they fap even tho they ain't horny and nuke their t even more.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Makes sense at that T level. Many are so degenerate they fap even tho they ain't horny and nuke their t even more.

How true is this tho? I don't think 440 is low enough to make you have no libido, millions of subhuman soys who have insane libidos and coom all day in their rooms for example, but i feel like a monk

 

[Deleted member 21044]

How true is this tho? I don't think 440 is low enough to make you have no libido, millions of subhuman soys who have insane libidos and coom all day in their rooms for example, but i feel like a monk

It is. The thing is most guys fap out of boredom or obsession. I used to do that too. Now when my T is much higher i fap once a week at most, coz i'm also more mentally healthy.

 

[Deleted member 22354]

normal 80

holy shit

semen retention

This wont increase test. And dont even mention this study:

A research on the relationship between ejaculation and serum testosterone level in men - PubMed

The purpose of this study is to gain understanding of the relationship between ejaculation and serum testosterone level in men. The serum testosterone concentrations of 28 volunteers were investigated daily during abstinence periods after ejaculation for two phases. The authors found that the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Semen retention and nofap is only good to stop a porn addiction, everything above 2 weeks once is stupid. Abstinence of sex/fapping will decrease your test long term. Sex is natural, cumming every day through sex is good for your hormones not only your test. If you cant get sex, just masturbate on thoughts.

Op listed several easy fixable problems like ffc 6-8h sleep, get vit D (so be outside even in the winter) and sure the drugs are negatively influencing your hormones, but the mentioned health problems are harder to fix and i have no knowledge on this.

It would be interesting to see your e to t ratio. and prolactin

How true is this tho? I don't think 440 is low enough to make you have no libido, millions of subhuman soys who have insane libidos and coom all day in their rooms for example, but i feel like a monk

this is stupid, ofc good would be anything above 600 and ideal around 1000-1100. 440 should be enough to have a normal libido and wanting to fuck at least one time a day

It is. The thing is most guys fap out of boredom or obsession. I used to do that too. Now when my T is much higher i fap once a week at most, coz i'm also more mentally healthy.

wtf, this means you are low libido and therefore you could be low t (can also have other reasons ofc). Have you ever tested your test and hormones like estradiol or prolactin?

 

[Deleted member 21044]

holy shit


This wont increase test. And dont even mention this study:

A research on the relationship between ejaculation and serum testosterone level in men - PubMed

The purpose of this study is to gain understanding of the relationship between ejaculation and serum testosterone level in men. The serum testosterone concentrations of 28 volunteers were investigated daily during abstinence periods after ejaculation for two phases. The authors found that the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Semen retention and nofap is only good to stop a porn addiction, everything above 2 weeks once is stupid. Abstinence of sex/fapping will decrease your test long term. Sex is natural, cumming every day through sex is good for your hormones not only your test. If you cant get sex, just masturbate on thoughts.

Op listed several easy fixable problems like ffc 6-8h sleep, get vit D (so be outside even in the winter) and sure the drugs are negatively influencing your hormones, but the mentioned health problems are harder to fix and i have no knowledge on this.

It would be interesting to see your e to t ratio. and prolactin


this is stupid, ofc good would be anything above 600 and ideal around 1000-1100. 440 should be enough to have a normal libido and wanting to fuck at least one time a day


wtf, this means you are low libido and therefore you could be low t (can also have other reasons ofc). Have you ever tested your test and hormones like estradiol or prolactin?

Not low libido, in fact very high. I have very frequent painful erections my t was 1250 when i tested last summer. I just don't have the urge to fap, that's related more to mental health than libido. Remember chimpanzees in wild never fap, unlike in captivity.

 

[Deleted member 22354]

Not low libido, in fact very high. I have very frequent painful erections my t was 1250 when i tested last summer. I just don't have the urge to fap, that's related more to mental health than libido. Remember chimpanzees in wild never fap, unlike in captivity.

yea they have sex in nature, like i said ofc sex is better

 

[Deleted member 21044]

yea they have sex in nature, like i said ofc sex is better

But not every day, there are different refractory cycles, in human man it's one week.

 

[Deleted member 22354]

But not every day, there are different refractory cycles, in human man it's one week.

ofc in mating season they do this multiple times a day with multiple females in their pride. Tbh there are not many studies on lions for example, but outside the mating season its in general multiple times per week up to every day.

Humans dont have a mating season btw.

refractory cycles, in human man it's one week.

not true

I cant find the best study on this anymore: Journal of Sexual Medicine in 2005 "Postejaculatory refractory time - a pilot study" and was authored by Waldinger, M.D., Hengeveld, M.W., Zwinderman, A.H. and Olivier, B., but it found out that the average refractory period among healthy adult males was approximately 30 minutes to an hour. However, the study also found that some men had refractory periods as short as a few minutes, while others had periods that lasted several hours.

Ejaculatory latency and control in men with premature ejaculation: an analysis across sexual activities using multiple sources of information - PubMed

Although ejaculatory latency and control tend to be related, these measures are not always stable over different kinds of sexual activity or using different methods of data collection. Psychophysiological methodology is effective in differentiating group membership (PE vs. control), but does not...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

it says that the length of the refractory period can vary depending on age, with older men generally having longer refractory periods than younger men. The study also found that the intensity of sexual stimulation can influence the length of the refractory period, with more intense stimulation resulting in longer refractory periods.

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

T levels make a BIG difference mentally.

Mines 900 and I still feel like shit :/.

 

[Deleted member 21044]

ofc in mating season they do this multiple times a day with multiple females in their pride. Tbh there are not many studies on lions for example, but outside the mating season its in general multiple times per week up to every day.

Humans dont have a mating season btw.


not true

I cant find the best study on this anymore: Journal of Sexual Medicine in 2005 "Postejaculatory refractory time - a pilot study" and was authored by Waldinger, M.D., Hengeveld, M.W., Zwinderman, A.H. and Olivier, B., but it found out that the average refractory period among healthy adult males was approximately 30 minutes to an hour. However, the study also found that some men had refractory periods as short as a few minutes, while others had periods that lasted several hours.

Ejaculatory latency and control in men with premature ejaculation: an analysis across sexual activities using multiple sources of information - PubMed

Although ejaculatory latency and control tend to be related, these measures are not always stable over different kinds of sexual activity or using different methods of data collection. Psychophysiological methodology is effective in differentiating group membership (PE vs. control), but does not...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

it says that the length of the refractory period can vary depending on age, with older men generally having longer refractory periods than younger men. The study also found that the intensity of sexual stimulation can influence the length of the refractory period, with more intense stimulation resulting in longer refractory periods.

That's not what i mean by refractory cycle they're talking about the time you can ejaculate again after first ejaculation. I'm talking about the time it takes for your hormonal profile to recover after ejaculation.

 

[Deleted member 21044]

Mines 900 and I still feel like shit :/.

Mental health issue.

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

Mental health issue.

Well probably. You can't measure a man's t just by looking at him, but things like ramus length, square horizontally wide vertically narrow hairline, noticeable brow ridge, small occiput, etc all blatantly tell what a man's hormone profile is for the most part. I have a lot of those. Even high t men suffer depression, etc.

 

[Deleted member 21044]

Well probably. You can't measure a man's t just by looking at him, but things like ramus length, square horizontally wide vertically narrow hairline, noticeable brow ridge, small occiput, etc all blatantly tell what a man's hormone profile is for the most part. I have a lot of those. Even high t men suffer depression, etc.

It can flucctuate a lot, so bone structure isn't the best indicator. Also based off prenatal t and androgen sensitivity. Tbh bf% and voice are the best indicators.

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

It can flucctuate a lot, so bone structure isn't the best indicator. Also based off prenatal t and androgen sensitivity. Tbh bf% and voice are the best indicators.

I have a hard time being fat and have never worn a jeans size > 32.

 

[Deleted member 22354]

That's not what i mean by refractory cycle they're talking about the time you can ejaculate again after first ejaculation. I'm talking about the time it takes for your hormonal profile to recover after ejaculation.

The refractory period is the span of time after having an orgasm during which a person is not sexually responsive. The refractory period can have both mental and physiological effects.

Also show source for your claim that :

in human man it's one week.

Also good article:

The refractory period: What to know, and can you shorten it?

The refractory period occurs after sex and may mean a person cannot have sex again for a while. Learn about the refractory period in males and females.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

 

[Deleted member 20631]

Brutal, hopefully it’s nothing serious

 

[Deleted member 1140]

shit tier vit d and sleep can definitely nuke your T levels

next time make sure u sleep good and eat good for a full month and take 5-10k vit d a day

 

[Deleted member 24278]

Get some sunlight bro you're dying

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

Had bloost testing for blood cell status, surface level androgen test and thyroid test, the results were subhuman tier (i wasn't suprised about testosterone levels one bit, hoped i was hypogonadal to get prescription TRT)

White blood cell count was 12.0 (normal 0.0-10.00)

Total testosterone 440 ng/dl (normal 80-850 jfllll whats next 10 is normal?)
Androstendione 2.6 (normal 0.5-3.0)

Thyroid:
TSH 5.5 (normal 0.1-4.5)
Free T4 1.5 (normal 0.9-1.8)
Free T3 4.6 (normal 2.3-4.3)

This is the weirdest one, very rare thyroid results in medical literature, the combo of high TSH which is almost always present in hypothyroidism BUT with HYPERthyroid tier free T3 levels and ideal free T4 levels. This is caused by just two things, thyroid hormone resistance or pituitary benign tumor.

Im going to go to a private endocrinologist next month and do a full hormonal test this time (free T, estrogen, cortisol, progesterone, dhea-s, shbg, lh, fsh, vit D, folate, vit B12). And see whats going on exactly.

My bad blood results could be the cause of:

-subhuman vit D (haven't seen the sun in months unironically go outside only when its night)

-subhuman folate and b12

-i slept 4.5 hours when i took that test

-i took diazepam and ritalin the night before

-and my WBC was 12.0 which could indicate inflammation in my body which is known to cuck testosterone and thyroid. Btw i got a flu that afternoon on the same day i did the blood test, so maybe it fucked with my results or something

-the medication i take for IBD, azathioprine has been shown to damage the leydig cells in the testis which produce sperm and testosterone

@Nad Idk what other ray peat boyos to tag here, most of them are gone brutal

Check thyroid antibodies could be the start of hashimotos

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

It can flucctuate a lot, so bone structure isn't the best indicator. Also based off prenatal t and androgen sensitivity. Tbh bf% and voice are the best indicators.

It does fluctuate, but i would say they are a very accurate measure of male hormones. Also physical strength. Some unlucky fuckers can't even bench 225. KingOfRome admitted to having a natty t level of 400 and he couldn't bench 225 without turning his natty card in.

 

[UglyGod360]

How do u combat the anxiety from Ritalin?