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If you've used the internet in the past week, you've heard of the 4B movement.
The core tenants of the movement are:
No sex.
No dating.
No marrying men.
No children.
Many feminists around the world have attributed the declining birthrates of South Korea to the "success" of this movement, however, every developed country has shown a similar trend of declining birthrates.
There's also the fact that a western version of feminism has existed even before 4B, which ultimately favors girlbossmaxxing over having children, so the 4B movement doesn't add anything new in that regard.
I also personally believe that the exhausting work culture and rising cost of living is the primary cause of the birth rate crisis there, especially since Japan has similar issues despite not having its own 4B movement.
Regardless, even if you want to argue that 4B is legit and going to lead to the femcel revolution in the west, it is fundamentally flawed and does not work on men in neoliberal societies. Tradcels on here will start crying and larping, but western men simply do not care that much about marrying or having children, especially with the rising cost of living and the rising awareness of female dual mating strategies, aka "alpha fucks, betabux". Even the men who do want children can still accomplish that relatively easy, and can even avoid marriage while doing it by babymommamaxxing. Women are biologically inclined to have children more than men, so the pool of women who want children will always be bigger than the pool of men who want children.
So this leaves the first two tenants as the only "leverage" 4B feminists currently have over men: no sex, and no dating.
"No sex" would seem to be a strong and effective thing to leverage against men, right? Women are the gatekeepers of sex, which is why ltbs have as much SMV as chad.
This would be true, if it actually meant anything. "No sex" has always been a core tenant of womanhood, directed at unattractive men. Even 4B feminists following a "no sex for any man" rule, will still break that rule for attractive men.
Men have also mostly responded in a favorable way to no sex, by simply dropping out of society.
All of this indicates that there are three paths that men take in modern society: become a rotter and stop participating, become a jestering normie, or ascend and maximize slays
Now, the only thing left is "no relationships". Very few men will entertain a relationship if there's no sex, and a lot of men will only pursue relationships to get sex.
Simply put, when it comes to what each gender wants the most from each other:
1. JBs want relationships from men to benefit from jestering, and social proof
2. Post-wall beckies want marriages from men to benefit from jestering, beta bux and social proof
3. Men mostly just want sex regardless of age
This is why men are the gatekeepers of relationships. It is not the end game for most men, so we have the leverage in that aspect. An attractive jester is the ideal man to most females, which is why beckies usually settle for an oofydoofy jester after getting strung along by chads.
Since rotters are dropping out of society rather than jestering, and growing as a group, this is also shrinking the amount of jesters available to beckies.
Add this to the fact that females are "opting out of relationships", while still having sex, I have to conclude the 4B movement would actually benefit looksmaxxers at the expense of oofydoofy jesters
There's already proof of this, shown by the popular study released last year that showed 63% of young women are "taken" while only 34% of young men are taken.
Copers claimed that the disparity is due to women dating older men, however, this study just interviewed people in their 20s, and there are no meaningful studies that support the theory that women are dating much older men.
This indicates that the women being "taken" in question are foids being strung along in muh "situationships" aka just part of a roster
TLDR; 4B is a failure that doesn't work in Western societies. Adding the ideals of the 4B movement will just benefit looksmaxxer slay counts, by ostracizing jesters looking for LTRs. Ascend to HTN+ or spend the rest of your life rotting and jestering
The core tenants of the movement are:
No sex.
No dating.
No marrying men.
No children.
Many feminists around the world have attributed the declining birthrates of South Korea to the "success" of this movement, however, every developed country has shown a similar trend of declining birthrates.
There's also the fact that a western version of feminism has existed even before 4B, which ultimately favors girlbossmaxxing over having children, so the 4B movement doesn't add anything new in that regard.
I also personally believe that the exhausting work culture and rising cost of living is the primary cause of the birth rate crisis there, especially since Japan has similar issues despite not having its own 4B movement.
Regardless, even if you want to argue that 4B is legit and going to lead to the femcel revolution in the west, it is fundamentally flawed and does not work on men in neoliberal societies. Tradcels on here will start crying and larping, but western men simply do not care that much about marrying or having children, especially with the rising cost of living and the rising awareness of female dual mating strategies, aka "alpha fucks, betabux". Even the men who do want children can still accomplish that relatively easy, and can even avoid marriage while doing it by babymommamaxxing. Women are biologically inclined to have children more than men, so the pool of women who want children will always be bigger than the pool of men who want children.
So this leaves the first two tenants as the only "leverage" 4B feminists currently have over men: no sex, and no dating.
"No sex" would seem to be a strong and effective thing to leverage against men, right? Women are the gatekeepers of sex, which is why ltbs have as much SMV as chad.
This would be true, if it actually meant anything. "No sex" has always been a core tenant of womanhood, directed at unattractive men. Even 4B feminists following a "no sex for any man" rule, will still break that rule for attractive men.
Men have also mostly responded in a favorable way to no sex, by simply dropping out of society.
All of this indicates that there are three paths that men take in modern society: become a rotter and stop participating, become a jestering normie, or ascend and maximize slays
Now, the only thing left is "no relationships". Very few men will entertain a relationship if there's no sex, and a lot of men will only pursue relationships to get sex.
Simply put, when it comes to what each gender wants the most from each other:
1. JBs want relationships from men to benefit from jestering, and social proof
2. Post-wall beckies want marriages from men to benefit from jestering, beta bux and social proof
3. Men mostly just want sex regardless of age
This is why men are the gatekeepers of relationships. It is not the end game for most men, so we have the leverage in that aspect. An attractive jester is the ideal man to most females, which is why beckies usually settle for an oofydoofy jester after getting strung along by chads.
Since rotters are dropping out of society rather than jestering, and growing as a group, this is also shrinking the amount of jesters available to beckies.
Add this to the fact that females are "opting out of relationships", while still having sex, I have to conclude the 4B movement would actually benefit looksmaxxers at the expense of oofydoofy jesters
There's already proof of this, shown by the popular study released last year that showed 63% of young women are "taken" while only 34% of young men are taken.
Copers claimed that the disparity is due to women dating older men, however, this study just interviewed people in their 20s, and there are no meaningful studies that support the theory that women are dating much older men.
This indicates that the women being "taken" in question are foids being strung along in muh "situationships" aka just part of a roster
TLDR; 4B is a failure that doesn't work in Western societies. Adding the ideals of the 4B movement will just benefit looksmaxxer slay counts, by ostracizing jesters looking for LTRs. Ascend to HTN+ or spend the rest of your life rotting and jestering
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