75k surgery ascension result

[lurking truecel]

Result

Pre bimax

Hair ransplant 5k
Infra + fat graft + cantho 24k (taban)
Trimax + chin lipo 29k (ramieri)
Braces 5k

Travel to us and hospital stay US 5k
Tavel to italy and stay 2-3k

And he will need rhino to straighten nose post bimax 5k+

Money can really ascend you

This is kinda meme post because its 14 days post bimax so maybe he will ascend a lot more

 

[lurking truecel]

How much would you have ascended him for 75k @RealSurgerymax , i know i dont have a before taban but you get my point and can prolly estimate

 

[lurking truecel]

@monecel would have made him chad if he did his magical morphs before surgery

 

[yussimania]

has to be a larp barely anything changed and if it did it could be pinned on natural soft tissue changes

 

[lurking truecel]

has to be a larp barely anything changed and if it did it could be pinned on natural soft tissue changes

Its only before bimax and the bimax result is 14 days post op. But the pre bimax pic is after taban and hairtransplant. Would need new result from 3 months post bimax and the absolute start pic to judge really

 

[bossman]

before and before with beard.

seems like you’re saying we need to wait for the bimax changes. maybe you’re right but i can’t even see noticeable eye area changes.

 

[lurking truecel]

before and before with beard.

seems like you’re saying we need to wait for the bimax changes. maybe you’re right but i can’t even see noticeable eye area changes.

Yea he went conservative with all surgeries i guess. Maybe he should have risk it for the bisket more

 

[Sacrimoon]

god gave bro good beard genetics and gave up

 

[justjutting]

There is an untapped niche economy of providing neo-PUA services to unsuccessful hardmax ascension attemptors

 

[lurking truecel]

god gave bro good beard genetics and gave up

Good gave him a straight nose and good glabella with blue eyes and a hidden decent jaw. But he decided to ruin the nose

 

[lurking truecel]

There is an untapped niche economy of providing neo-PUA services to unsuccessful hardmax ascension attemptors

 

[yussimania]

There is an untapped niche economy of providing neo-PUA services to unsuccessful hardmax ascension attemptors

or an untapped niche of someone really knowledgeable on movements and helping people plan better

 

[lurking truecel]

or an untapped niche of someone really knowledgeable on movements and helping people plan better

I think everyone needs to find their own way and surgeons. Getting led often leads to shit because you get some psl authism dude who dont understand reality. Giant might be the only hope

 

[Sacrimoon]

Good gave him a straight nose and good glabella with blue eyes and a hidden decent jaw. But he decided to ruin the nose

Yeah dude should loose weight and maybe invest in some K-shami debloat powder

 

[bossman]

Yea he went conservative with all surgeries i guess. Maybe he should have risk it for the bisket more

As you yourself pointed out in a different thread:

But he had a too wide jaw and the typical small lips failo @

@tweaqo

He should have risked it all on a lip widening procedure and a jaw contur with a jaw tightening procedure

I genuinely think someone like Dr Rad could've given him a better result than going to Ramieri + Taban. I think soft tissue harmonisation is what needs to be optimised most in his case. Then perhaps a bit of filler for a sharper jaw if needed and I think he would get fairly close to your morph.

As you also demonstrate in your morph, the lip-pill is something that isn't swallowed enough on this forum. It is a brutal pill to swallow. I'm doing a bit of research on this and there's one thing that's been confusing me:

Two people could have the same lip width to IPD ratio / lip width to nose width ratio. But people could automatically identify one as having a small mouth and another as having a good-sized mouth. I think there's a lot more to understand about optimal lip aesthetics beyond than the simple ratios that are most commonly talked about - cos even bigonial length to lip width doesn't seem to fully explain it.

 

[ssxjdgh]

Looks the same. He still needs to lose bodyfat.

 

[lurking truecel]

Yeah dude should loose weight and maybe invest in some K-shami debloat powder

This one needs to masai jumps and chin tucks

 

[gymcelld]

For 75k the results aren’t that good but A for effort

 

[yurr burr]

went from sub5 to sub5 sry im just being honest nigger

 

[lurking truecel]

As you yourself pointed out in a different thread:



I genuinely think someone like Dr Rad could've given him a better result than going to Ramieri + Taban. I think soft tissue harmonisation is what needs to be optimised most in his case. Then perhaps a bit of filler for a sharper jaw if needed and I think he would get fairly close to your morph.

As you also demonstrate in your morph, the lip-pill is something that isn't swallowed enough on this forum. It is a brutal pill to swallow. I'm doing a bit of research on this and there's one thing that's been confusing me:

Two people could have the same lip width to IPD ratio / lip width to nose width ratio. But people could automatically identify one as having a small mouth and another as having a good-sized mouth. I think there's a lot more to understand about optimal lip aesthetics beyond than the simple ratios that are most commonly talked about - cos even bigonial length to lip width doesn't seem to fully explain it.

Yea the thing with both tab and ram is they are so specialized and will not give advise on the whole face like someone like rad or more soft tissue specific surgeons. This is actually one reason why giant is a decent choice to consult with because he will prolly be brutally honest on the whole face. Takes some self consciousness to do it with oneself.

And yea lip pill is brutal as hell as its so important the small things, clear Cupid bow, the relative length to other parts of the face. And the shape is delicate and hard to get right with fillers snd surgery in a natural way

 

[yussimania]

As you yourself pointed out in a different thread:



I genuinely think someone like Dr Rad could've given him a better result than going to Ramieri + Taban. I think soft tissue harmonisation is what needs to be optimised most in his case. Then perhaps a bit of filler for a sharper jaw if needed and I think he would get fairly close to your morph.

As you also demonstrate in your morph, the lip-pill is something that isn't swallowed enough on this forum. It is a brutal pill to swallow. I'm doing a bit of research on this and there's one thing that's been confusing me:

Two people could have the same lip width to IPD ratio / lip width to nose width ratio. But people could automatically identify one as having a small mouth and another as having a good-sized mouth. I think there's a lot more to understand about optimal lip aesthetics beyond than the simple ratios that are most commonly talked about - cos even bigonial length to lip width doesn't seem to fully explain it.

 

[lurking truecel]

He is good but a bit into gayifying tho

 

[bossman]

Yea the thing with both tab and ram is they are so specialized and will not give advise on the whole face like someone like rad or more soft tissue specific surgeons. This is actually one reason why giant is a decent choice to consult with because he will prolly be brutally honest on the whole face. Takes some self consciousness to do it with oneself.

And yea lip pill is brutal as hell as its so important the small things, clear Cupid bow, the relative length to other parts of the face. And the shape is delicate and hard to get right with fillers snd surgery in a natural way

You might be right. The crucial thing, IMHO, is that changes to the bone do not result in the same changes to soft tissue and they can act very unpredictably. A surgeon who focusses on these tissues is the best person to give you that holistic overview of the face. I know a handful of Giant patients who have opted for lifts from surgeons like Pascali and Comert post-implants which is always something worth planning for.

His content is brilliant. His first two points on fat and lifting is common knowledge and focusses on volume. His last point is worth listening to.

He tries to create a heart shape, and reduces jaw width. This is obviously guided at female patients. However, we have something to learn from this too. Idiots who augument their jaw width by 10mm on each side with angle implants are being absolutely retarded. Firstly, the soft tissue is going to adapt to it like shit, and second your lips are going to look super strange. Example:

I might be wrong but i think the same applies for malar implants where you might fuck up your FWHR. IPD and lip width are two things you have to respect.

I'm doing a lot of research on lip aesthetics and hope to share a thread of what I've learned soon.

 

[bossman]

He is good but a bit into gayifying tho

Only gay patients go with him cos they know whats up. His best result is a gay pornstar jfl

 

[yussimania]

i noticed this with some of the brazilians that do surgery for trannies

Only gay patients go with him cos they know whats up. His best result is a gay pornstar jfl

go with those that are gay (not Liam JFL) or do trans affirming surgeries

 

[lurking truecel]

You might be right. The crucial thing, IMHO, is that changes to the bone do not result in the same changes to soft tissue and they can act very unpredictably. A surgeon who focusses on these tissues is the best person to give you that holistic overview of the face. I know a handful of Giant patients who have opted for lifts from surgeons like Pascali and Comert post-implants which is always something worth planning for.


His content is brilliant. His first two points on fat and lifting is common knowledge and focusses on volume. His last point is worth listening to.

He tries to create a heart shape, and reduces jaw width. This is obviously guided at female patients. However, we have something to learn from this too. Idiots who augument their jaw width by 10mm on each side with angle implants are being absolutely retarded. Firstly, the soft tissue is going to adapt to it like shit, and second your lips are going to look super strange. Example:

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I might be wrong but i think the same applies for malar implants where you might fuck up your FWHR. IPD and lip width are two things you have to respect.

I'm doing a lot of research on lip aesthetics and hope to share a thread of what I've learned soon.

Yea i mean i dont fully agree on the lifts unless older then 40, even if one needs it in theory. Because it will just makes you age twice as fast until 40 and you cant really redo it then(as thats how long the scar tissue that holds the lift will hold for 10-15 years). And fat graft should be enough untill then. And i mean rads patient is on average probably mid 30s 40s so makes sense he says its needed in 75% of cases

 

[bossman]

i noticed this with some of the brazilians that do surgery for trannies

go with those that are gay (not Liam JFL) or do trans affirming surgeries

JFL when he's in Thailand licking some chadstralian's feet while there's flesh-eating bacteria in your face after LF3

Yea i mean i dont fully agree on the lifts unless older then 40, even if one needs it in theory. Because it will just makes you age twice as fast until 40 and you cant really redo it then(as thats how long the scar tissue that holds the lift will hold for 10-15 years). And fat graft should be enough untill then. And i mean rads patient is on average probably mid 30s 40s so makes sense he says its needed in 75% of cases

I think you know more about this than me so I'm inclined to agree. However, Giant's LF3 patient needed a shit ton of lifting cos half his face was sagging post-surgery.

Tissue sag from Liam's implant patients seem to be a common occurrence. According to these patients and Eppley it's because an intraoral incision damages the soft tissue as you make your way to the placement site. Still a big mystery though.

 

[BronzeSpartan2]

before and before with beard.

seems like you’re saying we need to wait for the bimax changes. maybe you’re right but i can’t even see noticeable eye area changes.

Talked to this guy on Reddit before, he didn’t do cantho, he did infraorbital implants + lower eyelid retraction repair with Taban. Cantho would have ascended his eye area further but he’s very high inhib, told me that cantho was too high risk.

He had gotten this done prior to the bimax

 

[tyler1234]

Atleast give him time to heal it’s only 2 weeks after surgery

 

[lurking truecel]

JFL when he's in Thailand licking some chadstralian's feet while there's flesh-eating bacteria in your face after LF3



I think you know more about this than me so I'm inclined to agree. However, Giant's LF3 patient needed a shit ton of lifting cos half his face was sagging post-surgery.

Tissue sag from Liam's implant patients seem to be a common occurrence. According to these patients and Eppley it's because an intraoral incision damages the soft tissue as you make your way to the placement site. Still a big mystery though.

Hmm yea i mean i would more guess its because the soft tissue generally dont tighten the same around implants and when they are bigger some skin slides down. But eppley prob tell them that so they only will prefer that way and also you can only get silicone in via that way. Which isnt directly better for most things. Eppley also have said saddles is not possible via intra oral which is obv false. All surgeons try to tell shit sbout methods they dont usually use even if it's true to some degree probably. But then bimax also would sag the midface as many people have plates all the way up to the zygoma and it doesnt really in most cases it seems.

 

[lurking truecel]

Talked to this guy on Reddit before, he didn’t do cantho, he did infraorbital implants + lower eyelid retraction repair with Taban. Cantho would have ascended his eye area further but he’s very high inhib, told me that cantho was too high risk.

He had gotten this done prior to the bimax

I talked to him too, and he did lower eyelid repair which always is some sort of cantho lol

And yes he didnt do cantho that changes the tilt but that looks botched 90% of the time and is only suited for specific cases even if the tilt is negative

 

[lurking truecel]

Atleast give him time to heal it’s only 2 weeks after surgery

I mean you can obv use your imagination at this point, and 2 weeks after minimally invasive bimax of 2 mm leforte and like 7 bsso will give pretty good indication of end result even at two weeks. I did 5 and 15 and implant, and at two weeks you could tell some things for sure.

 

[bossman]

Talked to this guy on Reddit before, he didn’t do cantho, he did infraorbital implants + lower eyelid retraction repair with Taban. Cantho would have ascended his eye area further but he’s very high inhib, told me that cantho was too high risk.

He had gotten this done prior to the bimax

I think what the main issue is the lower part of the eyeball is visible through the skin. Ideally, you want a clean transition, rather than this bulging. Seems like the infraorbital implant isn’t offering enough projection, or perhaps he was a slight OD candidate.

I think if he got the full package, his eye area could have been a lot better. It’s worth the investment too, the eye area procedures have more predictable aesthetic improvements than jaw surgery.

Hmm yea i mean i would more guess its because the soft tissue generally dont tighten the same around implants and when they are bigger some skin slides down. But eppley prob tell them that so they only will prefer that way and also you can only get silicone in via that way. Which isnt directly better for most things. Eppley also have said saddles is not possible via intra oral which is obv false. All surgeons try to tell shit sbout methods they dont usually use even if it's true to some degree probably. But then bimax also would sag the midface as many people have plates all the way up to the zygoma and it doesnt really in most cases it seems.

Osteotomies have more linear and predictable changes to the soft tissue than implants. So the soft tissue is more likely to react positively to an osteotomy than an implant. I used to think this was looksmax cope but there is genuine evidence for it in the literature. And let’s be real the plates are no way near the same volume as implants.

Yes, silicon’s flexibility is advantageous in placement compared to more rigid options. However, Dr Rad swears by Medpor (which I think is just as good / better than PEEK aside from the vascular ingrowth), and I believe he uses a lower eyelid incision.

 

[ybuyhgui]

Absolutely brutal shit. Should’ve given up on ‘looksmax’ and used what he actually did have (JBW card) to live an easy life abroad. He’d get more real attraction due to competition disparity, and could live a top 1% life with that money.

Before vs before result for 75k. Just tough man.

 

[lurking truecel]

I think what the main issue is the lower part of the eyeball is visible through the skin. Ideally, you want a clean transition, rather than this bulging. Seems like the infraorbital implant isn’t offering enough projection, or perhaps he was a slight OD candidate.

I think if he got the full package, his eye area could have been a lot better. It’s worth the investment too, the eye area procedures have more predictable aesthetic improvements than jaw surgery.


Osteotomies have more linear and predictable changes to the soft tissue than implants. So the soft tissue is more likely to react positively to an osteotomy than an implant. I used to think this was looksmax cope but there is genuine evidence for it in the literature. And let’s be real the plates are no way near the same volume as implants.

Yes, silicon’s flexibility is advantageous in placement compared to more rigid options. However, Dr Rad swears by Medpor (which I think is just as good / better than PEEK aside from the vascular ingrowth), and I believe he uses a lower eyelid incision.

I mean silicone is def not a good option, and yes 100% implants dont act as bones and thats why one should do only small snd conservative ones, because soft tissue will not attach to it the same way. Yes rigid material is better than silicone, silicone is really bad even if it works good in the infra region.

 

[LEFORT17]

Result
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Pre bimax
View attachment 4478974

Hair ransplant 5k
Infra + fat graft + cantho 24k (taban)
Trimax + chin lipo 29k (ramieri)
Braces 5k

Travel to us and hospital stay US 5k
Tavel to italy and stay 2-3k

And he will need rhino to straighten nose post bimax 5k+

Money can really ascend you

This is kinda meme post because its 14 days post bimax so maybe he will ascend a lot more

wtffff is this even the same person

 

[Whirr22222]

Poor guy but hes obviously not the cleverest in terms of desicion making

 

[zaebalsya]

lmao

 

[Foreverbrad]

Kinda same base as me and surgical plan as me.

Brutal to see how little is achievable.

 

[bossman]

Kinda same base as me and surgical plan as me.

Brutal to see how little is achievable.

Just JD Vancemaxx tbh

 

[Ascension75]

One of his main issues is his super incel maxed mouth area including narrow lips. No change whatsoever in this area. I wonder if there is anything that could help him there

 

[Whirr22222]

Kinda same base as me and surgical plan as me.

Brutal to see how little is achievable.

He just made bad desicions

 

[Foreverbrad]

One of his main issues is his super incel maxed mouth area including narrow lips. No change whatsoever in this area. I wonder if there is anything that could help him there

Lip lift won’t work in this case. Commisuroplasty leaves scars. Very few B/A of that surgery. Perhaps scars could be treated in some way to reduce their appearance.

 

[Soter]

Lip lift won’t work in this case.

why not?

 

[Deleted member 266382]

Kinda same base as me and surgical plan as me.

Brutal to see how little is achievable.

Jfl much more is achievable.

 

[Foreverbrad]

why not?

There’s nothing to lift, the lips are already fully exposed

 

[cutecel1337]

he looks better ofc but not that great for money that he spend, not satysfying result imo

 

[Pento]

Result
View attachment 4478931View attachment 4478936

Pre bimax
View attachment 4478974

Hair ransplant 5k
Infra + fat graft + cantho 24k (taban)
Trimax + chin lipo 29k (ramieri)
Braces 5k

Travel to us and hospital stay US 5k
Tavel to italy and stay 2-3k

And he will need rhino to straighten nose post bimax 5k+

Money can really ascend you

This is kinda meme post because its 14 days post bimax so maybe he will ascend a lot more

Ridiculous American prices

 

[Sicilian Cyclops]

Did he even get canthoplasty? The lateral canthus looks to be the exact same position.

Narrow mouth descends him hard; just more proof of how brutal of a failo it is — makes you look like a little timid cuck. It's such a shame that commissuroplasty is so unexplored and such a gamble.

Do you have his side before & after for the bimax?

 

[lurking truecel]

Did he even get canthoplasty? The lateral canthus looks to be the exact same position.

Narrow mouth descends him hard; just more proof of how brutal of a failo it is — makes you look like a little timid cuck. It's such a shame that commissuroplasty is so unexplored and such a gamble.

Do you have his side before & after for the bimax?

No not directly from the side