A body like this is enough

[Wallenberg]

 

[Adonis]

Well yeah but it takes lots of time that you could spend on your face instead

 

[Wallenberg]

Soon some gymcel comes to cry about her legs being small.

 

[Wallenberg]

Well yeah but it takes lots of time that you could soend on your face instead

Face and bodymax aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[CEO of Sex]

That's like a top 0.1% physique

 

[Wallenberg]

That's like a top 0.1% physique

Yeah but not Ronnie Coleman tier.

 

[Adonis]

Yeah but not Ronnie Coleman tier.

Ronnie Coleman looks like shit.
No women likes that.

 

[Wallenberg]

Ronnie Coleman looks like shit.
No women likes that.

Agree, that's why I don't roid.

 

[CEO of Sex]

Yeah but not Ronnie Coleman tier.

You get diminishing returns long before you get to Ronnie Coleman level which basically no one could get to anyway.

 

[Wallenberg]

You get diminishing returns long before you get to Ronnie Coleman level which basically no one could get to anyway.

Bateman's body is achievable for natty. Honestly, you can have a bit worse body than Bateman, and you still get body haloed if you have decent face.

 

[NegativeNorwood]

Bale's body on American Psycho is perfect, but also quite hard to achieve tbh.
This is peak appeal to women and easier to achieve and mantain:

 

[Wallenberg]

Bale's body on American Psycho is perfect, but also quite hard to achieve tbh.
This is peak appeal to women and easier to achieve and mantain:

That body doesn't seem too hard to achieve.

 

[Orc]

That's like a top 0.1% physique

not really that's just a good angle, this is the same physique.

 

[Wallenberg]

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not really that's just a good angle, this is the same physique.

He still has a pretty good body. His legs seem a bit untrained compared to his upper body.

 

[GoldKiller]

Very hard body to acheive. Muslce + body fat plus having the muscle in the first place to strip the body fat to look like that. Every fat gymcel thinks this body is easy but non of them ever look like it. They seem to think only big bodybuilders use drugs as well. Every person on youtube is using gear.

 

[Orc]

He still has a pretty good body. His legs seem a bit untrained compared to his upper body.

legs with highly developed calves and only medium developed thighs is ideal.

 

[NegativeNorwood]

That body doesn't seem too hard to achieve.

Indeed, I am aiming for something like that. Lost 30 pounds since january and need to lose another 30 to achieve it. Already have the mass and very good insertions, just was very fat due to quitting smoking and being sedentary for many years. Goal is to have that physique and mantain it for as much time as I can, for a lifetime if possible. A body like that is a huge SMV booster in the summer, looks great in clothes and doesn't take too much effort to mantain.

 

[GoldKiller]

legs with highly developed calves and only medium developed thighs is ideal.

Personally think those massive gym legs look silly. If you're sub 6ft thenyou don't want big legs

 

[Orc]

Personally think those massive gym legs look silly. If you're sub 6ft thenyou don't want big legs

I only do deadlifts for legs because it's mostly glute and quadricep focused and doesn't end up giving you severe chafing unlike squats.

if you have to powder/cream your shit to walk 24/7 you fucked up.

 

[Deleted member 6764]

huffing copium

 

[APJ]

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not really that's just a good angle, this is the same physique.

That’s still a 1 in 1000 (to be honest, 1 in 10000) male physique. Go outside and have a look at the state of people nowadays

 

[Deleted member 15669]

Agree, that's why I don't roid.

as if the average roidhead could look like a pro jfl

 

[Wallenberg]

That’s still a 1 in 1000 (to be honest, 1 in 10000) male physique. Go outside and have a look at the state of people nowadays

Yeah, but if you subtract fatties and people who don't train seriously it's not that rare. Sure still a great physique.

 

[APJ]

I only do deadlifts for legs because it's mostly glute and quadricep focused and doesn't end up giving you severe chafing unlike squats.

if you have to powder/cream your shit to walk 24/7 you fucked up.

Your quads aren’t used that much in deadlifts. Sure you can ‘squat the weight up’ but the ROM for quads when doing that is still pretty short and it’s far more of a posterior chain movement

 

[Orc]

That’s still a 1 in 1000 (to be honest, 1 in 10000) male physique. Go outside and have a look at the state of people nowadays

most people never worked out a day in their life, this is relatively achievable among the people that actually go to the gym.

Your quads aren’t used that much in deadlifts. Sure you can ‘squat the weight up’ but the ROM for quads when doing that is still pretty short and it’s far more of a posterior chain movement

good I don't want the quads to get too big either, deadlifts translate well to other explosive activities such as swimming, jumping, climbing, etc.

you get a nice ass from it though.

 

[APJ]

as if the average roidhead could look like a pro jfl

Ronnie had unbelievable genetics to the point we’ll likely never see a physique like that ever again, unless further advances are made in the pharmaceutical domain.

Not only that, the guy was on everything under the sun (incl. super high doses of GH and insulin), and so is everyone else many levels below Ronnie. Your top NPC competitors who are on the verge of getting a pro card are on extremely high doses of everything too, as well as having top-tier genetics and dedication.

 

[Wallenberg]

Ronnie had unbelievable genetics to the point we’ll likely never see a physique like that ever again, unless further advances are made in the pharmaceutical domain.

Not only that, the guy was on everything under the sun (incl. super high doses of GH and insulin), and so is everyone else many levels below Ronnie. Your top NPC competitors who are on the verge of getting a pro card are on extremely high doses of everything too, as well as having top-tier genetics and dedication.

I watched a documentary about Ronnie. He seems to have some painful back problems or had when the documentary was filmed.

 

[APJ]

most people never worked out a day in their life, this is relatively achievable among the people that actually go to the gym.

People who don’t work out also count as being in the dating pool.

Wrt deadlifts and your goals, fair enough. The big deadlift downside is that it’s a uniquely fatiguing lift among the compounds, one heavy session of deadlifts and your CNS gets eaten alive by the rest of the day’s workout, and you still feel a weird exhaustion the couple of days following. Not the case with squats, bench, and so on

 

[APJ]

I watched a documentary about Ronnie. He seems to have some painful back problems or had when the documentary was filmed.

The guy really gave everything to be top notch. Although maybe doing 800lb squats and deadlifts five weeks out from the Olympia weren’t exactly optimal for preventing long-term wear and tear…

 

[Wallenberg]

People who don’t work out also count as being in the dating pool.

I agree, but if we are talking about how hard it's to get such a body we should only focus on guys who actually train and have a good diet.

 

[Orc]

Ronnie had unbelievable genetics to the point we’ll likely never see a physique like that ever again, unless further advances are made in the pharmaceutical domain.

Not only that, the guy was on everything under the sun (incl. super high doses of GH and insulin), and so is everyone else many levels below Ronnie. Your top NPC competitors who are on the verge of getting a pro card are on extremely high doses of everything too, as well as having top-tier genetics and dedication.

'top tier genetics' for bodybuilding is literally just your ability to balloon from roids, arnold didn't look particularly impressive before roids, his sons don't look particularly impressive either nothing screams 'elite bodybuilder genetics' from it.

 

[APJ]

I agree, but if we are talking about how hard it's to get such a body we should only focus on guys who actually train and have a good diet.

If we’re talking about difficulty I’d say yeah that’s still largely unachievable for most people who obsess over diet and hypertrophy training but also have separate jobs/careers that have performance standards. Year-round 10% bodyfat is extremely hard to maintain as a natty without going insane unless (1) it’s your job (2) you have good genetics for leanness

 

[Wallenberg]

arnold didn't look particularly impressive before roids

I think he actually did.

 

[Wallenberg]

If we’re talking about difficulty I’d say yeah that’s still largely unachievable for most people who obsess over diet and hypertrophy training but also have separate jobs/careers that have performance standards. Year-round 10% bodyfat is extremely hard to maintain as a natty without going insane unless (1) it’s your job (2) you have good genetics for leanness

12% is OK

 

[APJ]

'top tier genetics' for bodybuilding is literally just your ability to balloon from roids, arnold didn't look particularly impressive before roids, his sons don't look particularly impressive either nothing screams 'elite bodybuilder genetics' from it.

I’m with you that responsiveness to roids is part of ‘good genetics’. With that said there’s a lot to be said about having a strong base. Go look at Phil Heath as a natty, or at untrained Ronnie from his teens, or Bumstead at 15-16 (but not the obviously 18yo roided photo where he claims natty), they clearly had good size and leanness bases.

 

[APJ]

12% is OK

I’d make the same argument for 12% (less so 15%, although this is still very tough for most).

 

[Orc]

I’m with you that responsiveness to roids is part of ‘good genetics’. With that said there’s a lot to be said about having a strong base. Go look at Phil Heath as a natty, or at untrained Ronnie from his teens, or Bumstead at 15-16 (but not the obviously 18yo roided photo where he claims natty), they clearly had good size and leanness bases.

all of these people took peds from an early age and lie about it, shit was super easy to get back then due to lack of regulations.

arnold has one illegitimate son that lifts and while looking great you wouldn't think it's elite from first glance.

the others look like this

 

[ItsOverCel]

Bale's body on American Psycho is perfect, but also quite hard to achieve tbh.
This is peak appeal to women and easier to achieve and mantain:

looks like shit dyel arms and shoulders in clothes he is a twink

 

[ItsOverCel]

Agree, that's why I don't roid.

you won't become ronnie colemane with roids lol
good luck looking at least like you lift with roids if you have average genetics

 

[ItsOverCel]

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not really that's just a good angle, this is the same physique.

good definition and insertions but probably small in clothes, the typical natural body

 

[Orc]

looks like shit dyel arms and shoulders in clothes he is a twink

whether you'll ever look good in clothes is entirely dependent on your frame not how muscular you are, if you have a compact frame and build on it you just look fat in clothing.

 

[Skywalker]

enough to inseminate 18 yr old stacies, yakhi?

 

[Skywalker]

naaaaah man...its over if you dont have the correct gonial angle ratio boyo ....also jus be 25%+ bf while being a chad

 

[Nerian]

Well yeah but it takes lots of time that you could spend on your face instead

you have to spend an hour a day on your face? how fucked up is it?

 

[Johanjohan]

Bale's body on American Psycho is perfect, but also quite hard to achieve tbh.
This is peak appeal to women and easier to achieve and mantain:

That isnt peak appeal u stupid subhuman lmao

 

[Deleted member 20370]

no shit.

 

[ChristianChad]

Agree, that's why I don't roid.

you think if you roid you will look like ronnie coleman lmao

you can roid and you wont even look like the physique in the pic above, takes dedicated effort and knowledge

 

[chasingaesthetics]

No, this is enough/ideal

 

[Wallenberg]

No, this is enough/ideal

Too much

 

[Deleted member 17429]

David laid, Zyzz, John Skywalker, etc unnatural imo is peak sex appeal.
Unnatural, just hope you look like them and diet your ass off