Abrahamic religions don't even make sense

[alriodai]

So let's say a man that doesn't believe in god; He is literally good in every sense, he does good deeds, is always kind and nice, never seek revenge even if he gets done bad, he doesn't have lust or any other "sins"

He still goes to hell for "not believing"

But a man that sins his whole life (aka his whole late teens and 20s) do bad shit, and then dies and "go to heaven" because he believes in Allah or Jesus or whatevr bullshit?

How the hell do you guys still believe in abrahmic religions? THEY DONT MAKE SENSE, at all

It's clearly made by man to motivate their troops in war and to take land and all that other bullshit, and so the troops could also feel they're not dying for nothing and there's an afterlife etc

 

[Deleted member 17531]

Ye true but Islam makes infinitely more sense than Christianity

 

[Deleted member 14693]

Ye true but Islam makes infinitely more sense than Christianity

Then how is what he says in OP true?

What he says in OP only applies to Islam, not to Christianity.

 

[alriodai]

Then how is what he says in OP true?

What he says in OP only applies to Islam, not to Christianity.

It applies to every other religion, even Islam don't make sense

A christian man being loving, good, doing good shit etc dies and go to hell according to Islam cause he believes in christinaity not islam

A muslim man sins, do bad shit all the other bull shit and he goes to heaven cause he believes in Allah (well goes to hell for a few months then heaven blablabla)

 

[Deleted member 14693]

It applies to every other religion, even Islam don't make sense

A christian man being loving, good, doing good shit etc dies and go to hell according to Islam cause he believes in christinaity not islam

A muslim man sins, do bad shit all the other bull shit and he goes to heaven cause he believes in Allah (well goes to hell for a few months then heaven blablabla)

This doesn't apply to Christianity, only Islam holds this believe.

In Christianity Jesus died for our sins, so no one has to suffer. You don't go to hell in Christianity for being a non-believer.

You need to seperate the church from what actually is being said in the bible.

Indulgence letters literally contradict the bible.

 

[Deleted member 19576]

It applies to every other religion, even Islam don't make sense

A christian man being loving, good, doing good shit etc dies and go to hell according to Islam cause he believes in christinaity not islam

A muslim man sins, do bad shit all the other bull shit and he goes to heaven cause he believes in Allah (well goes to hell for a few months then heaven blablabla)

Christians and Jews are fine in Islam. They are people of the book which means they will no go to hell. Muslim that do sins will go in much worser hell than atheist according to Islam.

 

[Wallenberg]

Religions are nonsense. No evidence in favor of them.

 

[alriodai]

Religions are nonsense. No evidence in favor of them.

its not about evidence, it's sometimes it doesn't make sense

rich guy borns in a rich family, sins his whole early teens and twenties and then repents and goes to heaven

poor guy born in poverty have to do crimes to survive, goes to hell for "sinning

This doesn't apply to Christianity, only Islam holds this believe.

In Christianity Jesus died for our sins, so no one has to suffer. You don't go to hell in Christianity for being a non-believer.

You need to seperate the church from what actually is being said in the bible.

Indulgence letters literally contradict the bible.

I didn't know that, why are christian karens always takling about people going to hell for being gay or any other hsit like that?

Christians and Jews are fine in Islam. They are people of the book which means they will no go to hell. Muslim that do sins will go in much worser hell than atheist according to Islam.

I'm "muslim" myself and the last part is not true

Muslims that sin will go to hell for some time and go to heaven
The ppl who don't believe in islam will go to hell the whole eterniy

 

[Deleted member 17791]

A person that commits no sin would go to heaven even if they don't believe in god. The whole point of Jesus's sacrifice is to forgive the sins of man so god doesn't rage at you when you die. If you committed no sin, there is nothing to judge.

The thing is, only Jesus ever lived the perfect life, no one else has never sinned, so they need to accept Jesus's sacrifice to go to heaven.

 

[Biiyo03]

It applies to every other religion, even Islam don't make sense

A christian man being loving, good, doing good shit etc dies and go to hell according to Islam cause he believes in christinaity not islam

A muslim man sins, do bad shit all the other bull shit and he goes to heaven cause he believes in Allah (well goes to hell for a few months then heaven blablabla)

That is my biggest issue with islam

Some guy that drinks fucks and doesnt pray will eventually go to hell cause he didnt believe allah was a sole god and didnt have offspring.

Meanwhile a devout christian that did good throughout his entire life will rot in hell due to the fact his beliefs dont allign along with islam’s beliefs. It’s beyond fucked and i still can’t wrap my head around it..

 

[Deleted member 17531]

This doesn't apply to Christianity, only Islam holds this believe.

In Christianity Jesus died for our sins, so no one has to suffer. You don't go to hell in Christianity for being a non-believer.

You need to seperate the church from what actually is being said in the bible.

Indulgence letters literally contradict the bible.

Nigga what
The one thing that dooms you to hell in Christianity is unbelief
You can be the worst person in history but as long as you end up believing in Christ, you go to heaven

 

[alriodai]

That is my biggest issue with islam

Some guy that drinks fucks and doesnt pray will eventually go to hell cause he didnt believe allah was a sole god and didnt have offspring.

Meanwhile a devout christian that did good throughout his entire life will rot in hell due to the fact his beliefs dont allign along with islam’s beliefs. It’s beyond fucked and i still can’t wrap my head around it..

just think about it, imagine you're a man in the 1100s or 1200s: You get told that if you believe in this "god" or whatever, all your sins will be gone (all bad shit you did) and you will go to heaven (after life) and do whatever you want

It sounds good, back then ppl was low IQ so they believed anything

But now none of the religious shit make sense

 

[Deleted member 14693]

I didn't know that, why are christian karens always takling about people going to hell for being gay or any other hsit like that?

Tbh the bible contradicts itself countless times (especially old and new testament) you you can pretty much lay it out however you want.

But some texts clearly say one thing while other say the opposite

 

[Deleted member 17531]

Tbh the bible contradicts itself countless times (especially old and new testament) you you can pretty much lay it out however you want.

But some texts clearly say one thing while other say the opposite

Two different entities are being talked about in the old and new testament
Gnostics suggest the Old Testament God was some sort of evil deity, and i'm honestly inclined to believe that

 

[Deleted member 14693]

Nigga what
The one thing that dooms you to hell in Christianity is unbelief
You can be the worst person in history but as long as you end up believing in Christ, you go to heaven

You can lay it several ways I guess, depending on who you aks. There are def univeramilist believers in Christianity though.

Esp. Romans 5:18 can be layed out different ways

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

They’re not meant to make sense- they’re meant to be a way to control society and enforce universal moral standards + suppress degeneracy

 

[Deleted member 19576]

its not about evidence, it's sometimes it doesn't make sense

rich guy borns in a rich family, sins his whole early teens and twenties and then repents and goes to heaven

poor guy born in poverty have to do crimes to survive, goes to hell for "sinning


I didn't know that, why are christian karens always takling about people going to hell for being gay or any other hsit like that?

I'm "muslim" myself and the last part is not true

Muslims that sin will go to hell for some time and go to heaven
The ppl who don't believe in islam will go to hell the whole eterniy

Maybe its in Shia Islam.

 

[Annihilator]

This doesn't apply to Christianity, only Islam holds this believe.

In Christianity Jesus died for our sins, so no one has to suffer. You don't go to hell in Christianity for being a non-believer.

You need to seperate the church from what actually is being said in the bible.

Indulgence letters literally contradict the bible.

i should add that in Judaism the afterlife doesn’t exist, however there is a belief that the dead will be resurrected on judgement day

 

[Gonthar]

So let's say a man that doesn't believe in god; He is literally good in every sense, he does good deeds, is always kind and nice, never seek revenge even if he gets done bad, he doesn't have lust or any other "sins"

He still goes to hell for "not believing"

But a man that sins his whole life (aka his whole late teens and 20s) do bad shit, and then dies and "go to heaven" because he believes in Allah or Jesus or whatevr bullshit?

How the hell do you guys still believe in abrahmic religions? THEY DONT MAKE SENSE, at all

Just imagine you are God...OK?
And let's say one guy doesn't believe in you, mocks you, spreads atheism memes online, etc. Wouldn't you punish that guy just to show him who's the boss?
But if another guy for example believes in you, supports you, prays to you, etc. wouldn't you forgive him if he does some other bad shit, you are powerful and merciful after all...

 

[Deleted member 15778]

Dude, nothing normies believe in makes sense or is backed by solid data or well conducted scientific experiments.

We just pretend to get pussy.

 

[alriodai]

They’re not meant to make sense- they’re meant to be a way to control society and enforce universal moral standards + suppress degeneracy

but why do people believe in them so hard? when its clear that anybody with some commno sense can deboonk them

 

[Deleted member 1660]

A muslim man sins, do bad shit all the other bull shit and he goes to heaven cause he believes in Allah (well goes to hell for a few months then heaven blablabla)

In the Quran, scholars found that the time the sinner stays in hell is like 100 million years, so it is not "a few months".

 

[Deleted member 18840]

Dude, nothing normies believe in makes sense or is backed by solid data or well conducted scientific experiments.

We just pretend to get pussy.

Science ITSELF is a set of belief. But no people here act they know about shit while being ignorant.

 

[Deleted member 15778]

Science ITSELF is a set of belief. But no people here act they know about shit while being ignorant.

What beliefs is science based on?

 

[MRD]

My sky wizard is better than your sky wizard.

Allah must have been really upset with Pakistan lately - those floods were crazy.

Jesus must have been really upset with Florida lately - that hurricane is out of this world.

 

[Deleted member 18840]

What beliefs is science based on?

Don’t you know about it ? About the methodology of science ? Read popper. It rely on two methods : induction and deduction. Both are and Will always be beliefs. Look it up and come back. Tired to make essays here

 

[MRD]

In the Quran, scholars found that the time the sinner stays in hell is like 100 million years, so it is not "a few months".

"scholars"....

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Science ITSELF is a set of belief. But no people here act they know about shit while being ignorant.

Sorry bro but this is a bad take


Science is not a belief like religion is

In science you start wit a hypothesis , you then have to come up with an experiment to prove this hypothesi (which can also be theoretical science, equations etc), after conducting the experiment you have data to which can either prove the hypothesis, disprove it , or be inconclusive. From this you have your ‘science’ and conclusions that we come to.

In religion you BEGIN with a statement that is taken as truth. Then the burden is on everyone else to DISPROVE this statement, but obviously anything related to god, heaven, the afterlife etc is impssoble to disprove so it’s incredibly illogical because those who make claims in the scientific world always have the burden of evidence fall on THEMSELVES to PROVE their hypothesis. Religion does this the totally opposite way round and puts the burden on OTHERS to DISPROVE their claims- it you apply this way of thinking to anything else you can see why it’s illogical

 

[Deleted member 18840]

Sorry bro but this is a bad take


Science is not a belief like religion is

In science you start wit a hypothesis , you then have to come up with an experiment to prove this hypothesi (which can also be theoretical science, equations etc), after conducting the experiment you have data to which can either prove the hypothesis, disprove it , or be inconclusive. From this you have your ‘science’ and conclusions that we come to.

In religion you BEGIN with a statement that is taken as truth. Then the burden is on everyone else to DISPROVE this statement, but obviously anything related to god, heaven, the afterlife etc is impssoble to disprove so it’s incredibly illogical because those who make claims in the scientific world always have the burden of evidence fall on THEMSELVES to PROVE their hypothesis. Religion does this the totally opposite way round and puts the burden on OTHERS to DISPROVE their claims- it you apply this way of thinking to anything else you can see why it’s illogical

I will reply after a nap and you will see it’s not as black and white as you got told and that it’s all about probabilities. Everything is a belief to different degrees.

 

[Deleted member 15778]

I will reply after a nap and you will see it’s not as black and white as you got told and that it’s all about probabilities. Everything is a belief to different degrees.

Don’t you know about it ? About the methodology of science ? Read popper. It rely on two methods : induction and deduction. Both are and Will always be beliefs. Look it up and come back. Tired to make essays here

That's true. Everything is a belief. You could be a brain in a vat for all you know, or god dreaming you're a man.

Beliefs that can make predictions about the future with higher probability have a higher utility for decision making than those that can not. That's what well conducted science is all about.

Religion is about weaving narratives from experiential data often based on a set of stories from a book or set of books, that bring people together and unify their goals and social norms. As an individual you can get all the social and communal benefits of religion by just faking it.

 

[NT Master]

Virtuous pagan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You also talk about good deeds and bad shit but how are you determining what is "good" or "bad"?

 

[Racky]

So let's say a man that doesn't believe in god; He is literally good in every sense, he does good deeds, is always kind and nice, never seek revenge even if he gets done bad, he doesn't have lust or any other "sins"

He still goes to hell for "not believing"

You are misconstruing the way humans are seen in those worldviews.
What you don’t understand is that in Abrahamic worldviews there is no such thing as a man that doesn’t sin. It’s impossible. That man you are talking about here, simply doesn’t exist. All men are sinful and no man can deliver himself from sin out of his own human power. Which is why Man needs Allah/Jehovah‘s mercy to deliver him from sin. There is no salvation done through human hands as humans are powerless before sin. You can only rely on God's forgiveness and mercy.