After giving up fluoride toothpaste, more cavities appeared on my teeth

[marlesip]

These are my observations and assumptions, I can't be one hundred per cent sure. However, I haven't used fluoride toothpaste for about three months now and I have noticed that one of my teeth, which already had very little decay, has more decay. Of course, maybe it's just old decay, because the other teeth haven't changed much, maybe just a little.

My dentist also recommended that I use toothpaste with fluoride. Who knows, maybe there are safe forms and contents of fluoride in toothpaste that don't affect hormones and brain?

I would be very grateful for a good answer.

 

[smallgromp123]

Well, there are some alternate ways, you can:

1. Use Xylitol toothpaste/mints/chewing gum
2. Oil pull with coconut oil
3. Get Vit D3 + Magnesium (must higher level, 60-80 to reverse cavities)
4. Just use low fluoride paste, there are children's toothpastes which have 500-1000ppm (adult is 1000-1500) so you can go for that

One of the channels which talks about stuff like this is Ellie Philips and there was this one more guy who had a 40 minute lecture about how you can reverse cavities. But to keep it short he basically said to have high levels of Vitamin D3, use xylitol and oil pull regularly and have good gut health.

Personally, I would advise you to cut out sodas/acidic drinks or food in general. If you drink/eat something sweet, try to either rinse your mouth with water after you're done or, eat something salty/not sweet. Also, cut out junk food and try to have good gut health.

That would be my advice, do your own research tho, I'm no doc.

 

[Deleted member 102846]

You do brush your teeth right?

 

[Deleted member 80562]

Because you eat like shit

 

[marlesip]

You do brush your teeth right?

yes, twice a day

 

[marlesip]

Because you eat like shit

No, I don't eat sweets or simple carbohydrates or other shit. I probably eat quite a lot of complex carbohydrates because I need to eat enough calories. but I haven't heard that complex carbohydrates can cause tooth decay, especially since I don't really eat that many of them.

 

[marlesip]

Well, there are some alternate ways, you can:

1. Use Xylitol toothpaste/mints/chewing gum
2. Oil pull with coconut oil
3. Get Vit D3 + Magnesium (must higher level, 60-80 to reverse cavities)
4. Just use low fluoride paste, there are children's toothpastes which have 500-1000ppm (adult is 1000-1500) so you can go for that

One of the channels which talks about stuff like this is Ellie Philips and there was this one more guy who had a 40 minute lecture about how you can reverse cavities. But to keep it short he basically said to have high levels of Vitamin D3, use xylitol and oil pull regularly and have good gut health.

Personally, I would advise you to cut out sodas/acidic drinks or food in general. If you drink/eat something sweet, try to either rinse your mouth with water after you're done or, eat something salty/not sweet. Also, cut out junk food and try to have good gut health.

That would be my advice, do your own research tho, I'm no doc.

thank you bro

 

[marlesip]

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[autistic_tendencies]

Use hydroxyapatite toothpaste
The actual substance teeth is made out of

Fluoride puts artificial protective layer on your teeth so your saliva can no longer do the job of protecting naturally

 

[marlesip]

Use hydroxyapatite toothpaste
The actual substance teeth is made out of

Fluoride puts artificial protective layer on your teeth so your saliva can no longer do the job of protecting naturally

where is this information about fluoride from?

 

[JohnDoe]

Well, there are some alternate ways, you can:

1. Use Xylitol toothpaste/mints/chewing gum
2. Oil pull with coconut oil
3. Get Vit D3 + Magnesium (must higher level, 60-80 to reverse cavities)
4. Just use low fluoride paste, there are children's toothpastes which have 500-1000ppm (adult is 1000-1500) so you can go for that

One of the channels which talks about stuff like this is Ellie Philips and there was this one more guy who had a 40 minute lecture about how you can reverse cavities. But to keep it short he basically said to have high levels of Vitamin D3, use xylitol and oil pull regularly and have good gut health.

Personally, I would advise you to cut out sodas/acidic drinks or food in general. If you drink/eat something sweet, try to either rinse your mouth with water after you're done or, eat something salty/not sweet. Also, cut out junk food and try to have good gut health.

That would be my advice, do your own research tho, I'm no doc.

Why mention d3 and magnesium but not k2 which is the main thing that will get what you need to your teeth? where did you get the 60 figures from?

 

[autistic_tendencies]

where is this information about fluoride from?

Read it somewhere but they say it’s good for your teeth because it’s like a artificial barrier;
So once you remove the fluoride the saliva will do the natural job again and remineralize the teeth
Ie: I got fucked over by a dentist and became obsessed about teeth for a little while

 

[smallgromp123]

Why mention d3 and magnesium but not k2 which is the main thing that will get what you need to your teeth? where did you get the 60 figures from?

As far as I know a lot more people are deficient in Mg and not so many are deficient in K2. That's why I mentioned Magnesium. Besides, K2 is useless without Magnesium but not vice versa.

I got the 60 figures from that lecture about how to cure your cavities at home. I cannot find the video now; a middle eastern looking person was speaking roughly for 40-50 minutes. He was telling a story of how he got cavities but then healed them through the ways I mentioned above.

One thing I distinctly remember from that lecture is that he was strict about his vit d3 supplement brand choice. He recommended Neurobiologix Vit D3 (maybe this will help you find the vid).
I still take it to this day, but the weird part is that it contains 15mg of boron (which is a lot daily).

Anyways, I hope that answers your question

 

[Mrinfinityx]

These are my observations and assumptions, I can't be one hundred per cent sure. However, I haven't used fluoride toothpaste for about three months now and I have noticed that one of my teeth, which already had very little decay, has more decay. Of course, maybe it's just old decay, because the other teeth haven't changed much, maybe just a little.

My dentist also recommended that I use toothpaste with fluoride. Who knows, maybe there are safe forms and contents of fluoride in toothpaste that don't affect hormones and brain?

I would be very grateful for a good answer.

Retarded, only the fluoride ions are sometimes interacting temporary in the cellular pathways like a noise, and any deposit on soft tissue is caused by a calcium crystal being hydroxyapathite mainly who doesn't interact chemically with the environment but only physically in the area (disrupting blood flow, cellular deposit, rigidity of vessels) and if a fluoride is passing by to transform it into fluoroapatite nothing change cause the cristal is even more stable chemically but doesn't interact chemically with the environment either period and doesn't increase the size of the crystal itself also, the presence of fluoride don't influence the hydroxyapathite precipitation factor anyway

So in conclusion, while u could have set an upper limit of 3 mg a day of fluoride who is proved to interact in a negligeable manner for a detrimental way but who is improving clearly the teeth and bones matrix in the meantime even favoring bone formation, u are actually creating a permanent cavities problem for a temporary fearmongering raw meat induced delusional issue

 

[Mrinfinityx]

Use hydroxyapatite toothpaste
The actual substance teeth is made out of

Fluoride puts artificial protective layer on your teeth so your saliva can no longer do the job of protecting naturally

Totally false nonsense, fluoride is just changing the superficial structure to resist the acids way more by a 1 marker oh order from 5,5 to 4,5 and the mixture of calcium and phosphate could also precipitate in the same time with the saliva during ur brushing session

 

[autistic_tendencies]

Totally false nonsense, fluoride is just changing the superficial structure to resist the acids way more by a 1 marker oh order from 5,5 to 4,5 and the mixture of calcium and phosphate could also precipitate in the same time with the saliva during ur brushing session

Fluoride makes the tooth less flexible. It’s hard yeah but if it shatters your tooth is fucked
Fluoride makes the tooth solid artificially but less able to take impact
Think of an ice sculpture cracking and breaking all at once

 

[Mrinfinityx]

Fluoride makes the tooth less flexible. It’s hard yeah but if it shatters your tooth is fucked
Fluoride makes the tooth solid artificially but less able to take impact
Think of an ice sculpture cracking and breaking all at once

Well even if the degree of elasticity is less for fluorapatite than hydroxyapathite, we are talking about a superficial layer likely of fluoroapatite merging on a complete hydroxyapatite structure (just a localized chemical transformation) who will deform accordingly to the impact, also u d need heavy bruxism for this to happen far from physiological standpoint (that s why I recommend that everyone wear a mouth guard at night to prevent any risk and conserve mandibular height by teeth height playing a major role in looks), the everyday risk consisting of direct acid attacks from food (a 1 g of acid ascorbic in 200 ml of water seems not much but carry a pH of 2,8 close to coca cola who is 2,6, many fruits have also a pH in the 3 bracket, and so on) and by the feeding of bacteria producing the acid locally which fluoroapatite is no contest the better option to fight this chronic chemical abrasion, also the fact that calcium and phosphate mixture in saliva can also precipitate as much on fluoroapathite than on hydroxyapatite if the crystal structure support the bounds (no permanent complete layers of damage period and fluoroapathite is key to preserve this structure from the dissolution of chronic chemical damage)

 

[Mrinfinityx]

The thing u could use for teeth is to mix a toothpaste containing fluoride 1000 ppm to 1500 ppm with around 10% na no-hydroxyapatite and mixing this toothpaste on ur toothbrush with another toothpaste containing only pro agents as calcium and phosphates to carry everything needed in saliva during the brushing, also u spit the toothpaste but don't rince ur mouth as keeping a minimum layer (also please don't swallow the toothpaste during the brushing if so cause 1500 ppm of fluoride means that 1,5 mg of fluoride is on 1g of toothpaste), other common practices is to drink on a daily a highly mineralized water as rincing ur mouth with milk who buffers the acid more efficiently while containing calcium and phosphate in a more concentrated way than water, the latter who is just diluting the concentration mainly compared to the basic milk agent and proteins acting as a direct tampon on acidity, u can also use xylitol gums for stimulating the production of saliva and the slight anti microbial effect but the bloating for constant chewing of slight gum is s huge looksmined so I think the smartest way is to chew on a training device while consuming some cloves of garlic everyday who is a more potent cibled antimicrobial agent

 

[autistic_tendencies]

Well even if the degree of elasticity is less for fluorapatite than hydroxyapathite, we are talking about a superficial layer likely of fluoroapatite merging on a complete hydroxyapatite structure (just a localized chemical transformation) who will deform accordingly to the impact, also u d need heavy bruxism for this to happen far from physiological standpoint (that s why I recommend that everyone wear a mouth guard at night to prevent any risk and conserve mandibular height by teeth height playing a major role in looks), the everyday risk consisting of direct acid attacks from food (a 1 g of acid ascorbic in 200 ml of water seems not much but carry a pH of 2,8 close to coca cola who is 2,6, many fruits have also a pH in the 3 bracket, and so on) and by the feeding of bacteria producing the acid locally which fluoroapatite is no contest the better option to fight this chronic chemical abrasion, also the fact that calcium and phosphate mixture in saliva can also precipitate as much on fluoroapathite than on hydroxyapatite if the crystal structure support the bounds (no permanent complete layers of damage period and fluoroapathite is key to preserve this structure from the dissolution of chronic chemical damage)

Are you a actual dentist?

Basically if you have a protective layer of fluoride over the tooth the natural saliva is unable to penetrate and remineralize the tooth so you need a constant dose of exogenous fluoride to keep up the teeth.

Same if you have a filling or other implants the Saliva can’t do its job and heal the tooth naturally

A mouth guard is iffy I hear it can fuck up their bite over long term but yeah it’s short term solution. Learn to sleep with tongue at roof of your mouth

 

[Mrinfinityx]

Are you a actual dentist?

Basically if you have a protective layer of fluoride over the tooth the natural saliva is unable to penetrate and remineralize the tooth so you need a constant dose of exogenous fluoride to keep up the teeth.

Same if you have a filling or other implants the Saliva can’t do its job and heal the tooth naturally

A mouth guard is iffy I hear it can fuck up their bite over long term but yeah it’s short term solution. Learn to sleep with tongue at roof of your mouth

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No just had a harsh past of orthodontic treatment, but I mean the fluoride will react with the existing crystal of hydroxyapatite at the surface of the teeth by replacing the OH group by F but ultimately is not changing the structure of the cristal itself just giving him stronger chemical properties to degradation, so by this fact it is clear that the precipitation of phosphate and calcium ion is not impacted and can build up on the new formed fluoroapatite cristal assuring a constant advantage of layer upgrade versus the chronic degradation occurring, we can say that thanks to fluoride the balance between construction and degradation is neutral or slightly positive meaning than without it there are more risk of chronic dégradations leading to irreversible loss of layers of cristal where the ions couldnt précipitate anymore to form solid structured at the top