Am I a good candidate for surgery?

[fuckedupmanlet]

So I finally bit the bullet and decided to make an account. For reference I am a 5’7 19y.o. failed normie and I believe i’m 4psl 5/10 facially/smv wise. My biggest failios are a receded chin+large nose and large eye orbits which cause dark circles.

Honestly my plan was to do MSE+MSDO but my occlusion is perfect and no sane doctor would do it most likely. Then after expansion I was going to get a profilioplasty (Rhinoplasty+Sliding Genio.)

I don’t want to do implants as I do MMA and sports and also am thinking long term. However I’m pretty new to surgery talk and was wondering if any of you guys could tell me some surgeries to fix my issues.

My long term goal is to be a 4.75psl (6/10) strong mid tier normie/high tier normie and to LTR a 5-5.5psl (7/10) wife between 18-24 years old with less than 7 bodies.

TL;DR Please recommend surgeries to help me achieve my goal.

also btw I will be softmaxxing as well but figured I didn’t need to mention that and will probably do clavicle lengthening +2” of leg lengthening to be 5’9.5

 

[UglyGod360]

u have a very punchable face

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

Thanks

u have a very punchable face

 

[andy9432]

Lefort 3 is needed.

 

[UglyGod360]

Thanks

get a haircut, gym, and skin care for softmax, for hardmax look into eye surgery, genio, rhino. u lack dimorphism except for that big bigonial width. u look brazilian tbh

 

[gamma]

Yeah genio for sure

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

Lefort 3 is needed. View attachment 1475959 View attachment 1475960

My maxilla isn’t even recessed tho, I have great occlusion too. I think it’s literally just lack of bone at my chin…

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

I’m half panamanian lol. But my question would be what eye surgery are you even talking about? There’s like 15 different ones…

get a haircut, gym, and skin care for softmax, for hardmax look into eye surgery, genio, rhino. u lack dimorphism except for that big bigonial width. u look brazilian tbh

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

Yeah genio for sure

How many mm do you think I need vs How many mm do you think I could realistically get?

 

[gamma]

How many mm do you think I need vs How many mm do you think I could realistically get?

I honestly don't know

 

[materialistic]

Gymax and leave this forum.

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

I honestly don't know

would you need like a better pic or something? I can PM you

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

The plan is to eventually GTFO i’ve seen the rotter stories of @Amnesia and the success of @chadison trust me I don’t want to be here.

Gymax and leave this forum.

 

[gamma]

would you need like a better pic or something? I can PM you

No, I'm not expert about that surgery unfortunately

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

No, I'm not expert about that surgery unfortunately

Damn well thanks anyways I appreciate you taking the time

 

[kramer]

you do mma? unless that stands for METH MARIJUANA ALCOHOL

you have the body of a 12 year old

just head is fine just gymmax

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

Lol yeah I get that a lot, I know i’m a twink but I plan to go from 135lb to 170lb and try and maintain as much muscle as possible and cut down to 10%bf for max facial gains. I’m just skinny cause I barely eat and do a fuckload of cardio

you do mma? unless that stands for METH MARIJUANA ALCOHOL

you have the body of a 12 year old

just head is fine just gymmax

 

[subhuman incel]

Hmmmm, maybe Genio. I’m not white med I’m mulatto med so I can’t help you. Maybe @gamma help

bro dont you ever get bored?

 

[Deleted member 13787]

bro dont you ever get bored?

 

[subhuman incel]

I’m currently in between living in america and beginning my odyssey of traveling the earth. So yeah, kinda.
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how old are you, do you have enough money to travel?

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

I’m currently in between living in america and beginning my odyssey of traveling the earth. So yeah, kinda.
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Are you SEAmaxxing? Or just traveling for fun?

 

[Deleted member 16346]

Just genio and then gymmaxxing tbh

 

[kramer]

Lol yeah I get that a lot, I know i’m a twink but I plan to go from 135lb to 170lb and try and maintain as much muscle as possible and cut down to 10%bf for max facial gains. I’m just skinny cause I barely eat and do a fuckload of cardio

i actually do it too, i love it, which scares me from doing any surgery which will harm my performance

if you like it keep doing, extremely good chad hobby
-literally just forced to hang out with alphas(obvious, you hang out with alphas, hence you must be with alpha)
-workout body
-free bonesmashing
-increase social inhib
-increases confidence knowing you can fuck up and beta or chad(huge)
-fun

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

Just genio and then gymmaxxing tbh

No Rhino? Also what about my large orbits? Or am I just being way too over-analytical

 

[Deleted member 16346]

No Rhino? Also what about my large orbits? Or am I just being way too over-analytical

Your nose is fine. Fixing your eyes isnt worth it imo, just improve your lower third and you'll be htn.

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

Good luck I wish you all the best and that you get harems of Thai stacies

Travel until I get bored and then settle down in either Thailand or Cambodia. If I choose Thailand, I’ll get an ED visa to learn mandarin . If Cambodia I’ll just fuck off

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

Well it’s good to know I don’t need all that much to look my best. You think Genio will make like a huge improvement or be barely noticable? Sorry for all the questions

Your nose is fine. Fixing your eyes isnt worth it imo, just improve your lower third and you'll be htn.

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

i actually do it too, i love it, which scares me from doing any surgery which will harm my performance

if you like it keep doing, extremely good chad hobby
-literally just forced to hang out with alphas(obvious, you hang out with alphas, hence you must be with alpha)
-workout body
-free bonesmashing
-increase social inhib
-increases confidence knowing you can fuck up and beta or chad(huge)
-fun

I totally agree. I know it kinda sounds like cope(it kinda is) but knowing in your head that you can confidently fuck up guys that mog you gives you a bit of peace lol.

 

[Squirtoutmabooty]

Like the others said, genio if anything. I can see the other issues but you'll have to decide whether they're worth the time and hassle. Rtt would boost you much more than either of the latter two surgeries would, probably combined

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

Like the others said, genio if anything. I can see the other issues but you'll have to decide whether they're worth the time and hassle. Rtt would boost you much more than either of the latter two surgeries would, probably combined

Sorry i’m slow I looked up “RTT surgery” and I couldn’t find anything. What does RTT stand for?

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

Yes

You are the type of face that would ascend from surgery because your ratios and shit are solid

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

Yes

You are the type of face that would ascend from surgery because your ratios and shit are solid

Do you have any surgeries you would recommend? I’m already considering Genio for my chin and possibly Rhino. I know I have large eye orbits but idk how I would fix that with a surgery that wouldn’t require me to bribe a doctor to do(i.e. MSE because my occlusion is fine)

 

[DivineBeing]

My maxilla isn’t even recessed tho, I have great occlusion too. I think it’s literally just lack of bone at my chin…

your whole face is recessed go message dr. sinn and ask if he does modified lf3 on yuo before he dies you subhuman

tick tick tick time tick

 

[Squirtoutmabooty]

Sorry i’m slow I looked up “RTT surgery” and I couldn’t find anything. What does RTT stand for?

Roids and tats

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

I feel like I would look retarded if I did LF3 because that raises my midface while my chin/lower third would still be recessed af. I think I actually have a decent base with a few major failios. I’ll still look into it man, thanks.

your whole face is recessed go message dr. sinn and ask if he does modified lf3 on yuo before he dies you subhuman

tick tick tick time tick

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

Ahh makes sense. Thanks for the reply

Roids and tats

 

[chadison]

I don’t see a major problem with your nose. I am a proponent against surgeries unless the feature is a falio (such as my nose) as the risk can outweight the rather small reward.

Yes genio would help, and I believe you are correct in thinking it’s your lack of a prominent chin bone. I would have a consultation with a maxillofacial/orthodontic surgeon to find out.

Dark circles under the eyes are sometimes genetic, but other times because of deficiencies. See if sleep, nutrition, and exercise do anything. If not, maybe wear concealer there (I don’t think that amount of makeup would be risky/noticeable).

LL is a very dangerous surgery. I have read and watched a lot about it (my main insecurity is my height) and I simply do not think it’s worth the risk. Make your own decisions, but I would recommend looking into the botched surgery results (there are a lot!) and just how many there are, and not just the successful ones, before going through with the procedure. For sure buy elevator shoes that give 2-2.5”. I believe once you are a legit 5’10 in shoes, height is not a falio. Sure, you’re not ideal and may be rejected by some women, but you won’t be seen as comically short.

Yeah, obviously hit the gym. Get on beta carotene or carotenoids for skin tone. Try to grow facial hair (if your genetics allow it). And “Framefraud.” (A term I coined, where I have learned how to bring my scapula and traps in a unique resting position such that my deltoids appear wider. You must have a muscular body for it to work)

You look like an older version of my 12 y.o cousin who I’m trying to nudge in the right direction of healthy choices and looksmaxxing, lol. He still thinks girls are gross.

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

Thanks for the in depth reply. Genio is definitely my number one surgery that I would want. I can totally see your concern with leg lengthening and clavicle lengthening but my rebuttal would be that I don’t want some crazy amount, I only want two inches to stay proportional and maintain athletic ability. I’m gonna link a video of a guy you’ve probably seen before who did I think 2.5inches and is a bodybuilder.

Besides that I totally agree less surgery is always ideal. I think in terms of boosting my smv/psl the gym is gonna be the number 1 thing since i’m twinkmaxxed rn. However I think these pics don’t do my nose enough justice. Maybe it’s just because my chin is recessed so my nose looks way bigger but I don’t want like a bunny ski slope nose just a tip reduction and getting rid of the bump on the bridge.

Also I’m definitely not deluded into thinking surgery is gonna have some INSANE result on my sex life like I know I need to do all the redpill/softmax shit before hardmaxxing with surgery, I just think that with a better nose/chin+ the added height and frame I would be better off. Before I got any type of LL surgery I would make sure I was in peak athletic condition/at peak flexibility to make recovery as speedy as possible. right now I do a fuckload of cardio and am trying to get my diet right before starting real weights.

‘mirin your transformation btw i hope you’re satisfied with your results. Totally worth the effort from what I can see.


I don’t see a major problem with your nose. I am a proponent against surgeries unless the feature is a falio (such as my nose) as the risk can outweight the rather small reward.

Yes genio would help, and I believe you are correct in thinking it’s your lack of a prominent chin bone. I would have a consultation with a maxillofacial/orthodontic surgeon to find out.

Dark circles under the eyes are sometimes genetic, but other times because of deficiencies. See if sleep, nutrition, and exercise do anything. If not, maybe wear concealer there (I don’t think that amount of makeup would be risky/noticeable).

LL is a very dangerous surgery. I have read and watched a lot about it (my main insecurity is my height) and I simply do not think it’s worth the risk. Make your own decisions, but I would recommend looking into the botched surgery results (there are a lot!) and just how many there are, and not just the successful ones, before going through with the procedure. For sure buy elevator shoes that give 2-2.5”. I believe once you are a legit 5’10 in shoes, height is not a falio. Sure, you’re not ideal and may be rejected by some women, but you won’t be seen as comically short.

Yeah, obviously hit the gym. Get on beta carotene or carotenoids for skin tone. Try to grow facial hair (if your genetics allow it). And “Framefraud.” (A term I coined, where I have learned how to bring my scapula and traps in a unique resting position such that my deltoids appear wider. You must have a muscular body for it to work)

You look like an older version of my 12 y.o cousin who I’m trying to nudge in the right direction of healthy choices and looksmaxxing, lol. He still thinks girls are gross.

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

Thanks for the in depth reply. Genio is definitely my number one surgery that I would want. I can totally see your concern with leg lengthening and clavicle lengthening but my rebuttal would be that I don’t want some crazy amount, I only want two inches to stay proportional and maintain athletic ability. I’m gonna link a video of a guy you’ve probably seen before who did I think 2.5inches and is a bodybuilder.

Besides that I totally agree less surgery is always ideal. I think in terms of boosting my smv/psl the gym is gonna be the number 1 thing since i’m twinkmaxxed rn. However I think these pics don’t do my nose enough justice. Maybe it’s just because my chin is recessed so my nose looks way bigger but I don’t want like a bunny ski slope nose just a tip reduction and getting rid of the bump on the bridge.

Also I’m definitely not deluded into thinking surgery is gonna have some INSANE result on my sex life like I know I need to do all the redpill/softmax shit before hardmaxxing with surgery, I just think that with a better nose/chin+ the added height and frame I would be better off. Before I got any type of LL surgery I would make sure I was in peak athletic condition/at peak flexibility to make recovery as speedy as possible. right now I do a fuckload of cardio and am trying to get my diet right before starting real weights.

‘mirin your transformation btw i hope you’re satisfied with your results. Totally worth the effort from what I can see.


I don’t see a major problem with your nose. I am a proponent against surgeries unless the feature is a falio (such as my nose) as the risk can outweight the rather small reward.

btw to clarify with clavicle lengthening I wanted 1 inch and LL 2” I think that’s a pretty conservative wish.

 

[Deleted member 13710]

Get a genioplasty to make your chin look more proportional. I know you said you don't like the idea of implants, but I think a brow implant would improve your harmony a lot.

 

[chadison]

Thanks for the in depth reply. Genio is definitely my number one surgery that I would want. I can totally see your concern with leg lengthening and clavicle lengthening but my rebuttal would be that I don’t want some crazy amount, I only want two inches to stay proportional and maintain athletic ability. I’m gonna link a video of a guy you’ve probably seen before who did I think 2.5inches and is a bodybuilder.

Besides that I totally agree less surgery is always ideal. I think in terms of boosting my smv/psl the gym is gonna be the number 1 thing since i’m twinkmaxxed rn. However I think these pics don’t do my nose enough justice. Maybe it’s just because my chin is recessed so my nose looks way bigger but I don’t want like a bunny ski slope nose just a tip reduction and getting rid of the bump on the bridge.

Also I’m definitely not deluded into thinking surgery is gonna have some INSANE result on my sex life like I know I need to do all the redpill/softmax shit before hardmaxxing with surgery, I just think that with a better nose/chin+ the added height and frame I would be better off. Before I got any type of LL surgery I would make sure I was in peak athletic condition/at peak flexibility to make recovery as speedy as possible. right now I do a fuckload of cardio and am trying to get my diet right before starting real weights.

‘mirin your transformation btw i hope you’re satisfied with your results. Totally worth the effort from what I can see.


I don’t see a major problem with your nose. I am a proponent against surgeries unless the feature is a falio (such as my nose) as the risk can outweight the rather small reward.

Very well, yes, I agree you would be better with all those things (including rhino and LL). My philosophy is to max out whatever I can, as the little things add up over time. I try to make it a goal to find one new thing I can do each month to add to my appearance (recently, it has been (1) eyelash curling, (2) not shampooing everyday and instead using conditioner, and (3) actively checking my oral posture and chewing gum frequently). It is your choice; weigh the risks vs rewards and make the decision you think is best.

That being said, I forgot to mention, chew to make your masseuters bigger as well (I chew gum quite frequently for this reason) and do something about your UEE. If the eyelid surgery poses a big risk, then try to teach your body a natural squintfraud position so it doesn’t show as much. And make sure your teeth/smile are/is perfect. Good teeth are hugely important on a good looking person, else they can break harmony.

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

Get a genioplasty to make your chin look more proportional. I know you said you don't like the idea of implants, but I think a brow implant would improve your harmony a lot.

I’ll definitely consider it. I know I have a pretty feminine forehead but the less surgery I have to do the better. Thanks for the recommendation I’ll look into it.

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

Very well, yes, I agree you would be better with all those things (including rhino and LL). My philosophy is to max out whatever I can, as the little things add up over time. I try to make it a goal to find one new thing I can do each month to add to my appearance (recently, it has been (1) eyelash curling, (2) not shampooing everyday and instead using conditioner, and (3) actively checking my oral posture and chewing gum frequently). It is your choice; weigh the risks vs rewards and make the decision you think is best.

That being said, I forgot to mention, chew to make your masseuters bigger as well (I chew gum quite frequently for this reason) and do something about your UEE. If the eyelid surgery poses a big risk, then try to teach your body a natural squintfraud position so it doesn’t show as much. And make sure your teeth/smile are/is perfect. Good teeth are hugely important on a good looking person, else they can break harmony.

Yeah I know my eye area isn’t perfect but tbh it’s pretty passable(i.e no Negative Canthal Tilt and minimal scleral show) I’ve heard good things about Ice hooding but idk how much of a pain it is to do every day. And yeah I’ll definitely try eyelash curling/ some type of male makeup for my UEE. Thanks Chadison.

BTW idk how long you’ve been chewing gum for but have you seen crazy good improvements on your masseter muscles? I was gonna start chewing anyway but was wondering what to expect from results.

 

[chadison]

Yeah I know my eye area isn’t perfect but tbh it’s pretty passable(i.e no Negative Canthal Tilt and minimal scleral show) I’ve heard good things about Ice hooding but idk how much of a pain it is to do every day. And yeah I’ll definitely try eyelash curling/ some type of male makeup for my UEE. Thanks Chadison.

BTW idk how long you’ve been chewing gum for but have you seen crazy good improvements on your masseter muscles? I was gonna start chewing anyway but was wondering what to expect from results.

The results for chewing aren’t anything astounding, but they will add a bit of definition to the jaw, which can give the illusion of a wider mandible and thus would benefit the harmony of your face. It’s worth it to chew gum frequently imo: cleans teeth (xylitol gum), improves jaw definition, and your breath will always smell good. (Lol this sounds like “just take a shower bro,” but it is true).

no problem, good luck. If you have any other questions just tag me. Def read my gymcel thread for some ideas if you haven’t

 

[ropemax]

large eye orbits which cause dark circles.

These are caused by retruded infraorbital rims. You said no implants so that's unfixable atm.

receded chin+large nose

Your whole lower jaw is recessed and downward grown. Do not cover it up with genio, fix the root issue and get a bimax with ccw rotation of the maxilla. You do indeed have a nigger nose

Honestly my plan was to do MSE+MSDO

Pointless if for aesthetic reasons

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

These are caused by retruded infraorbital rims. You said no implants so that's unfixable atm.

Your whole lower jaw is recessed and downward grown. Do not cover it up with genio, fix the root issue and get a bimax with ccw rotation of the maxilla. You do indeed have a nigger nose

Pointless if for aesthetic reasons

If my entire jaw is recessed how do I have decent ramus length+good bigonial width? Plus I’m really not into the idea of having to bribe a surgeon to do my bimax because again I have great teeth occlusion so they would most likely reject me. However I see where you’re coming from and will look into bimax results.

 

[ropemax]

how do I have decent ramus length

You don't.

good bigonial width

That's not related to the position of your jaw in the saggital plane (oversimplification but you're still not correct).

Plus I’m really not into the idea of having to bribe a surgeon to do my bimax because again I have great teeth occlusion so they would most likely reject me.

If you go to a bluepilled one, sure. Occlusion doesn't mean shit

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

You don't.

That's not related to the position of your jaw in the saggital plane (oversimplification but you're still not correct).

If you go to a bluepilled one, sure. Occlusion doesn't mean shit

Did you see the picture? I’ve literally looked at pictures of people with their entire jaws recessed and they literally have non-existent ramuses(rami?) If anything I could only lengthen it by like a few mm before my face looks like a thwomp from Mario Like genuinely i’m not even trying to cope when I say I think my ramus length is above average and my bigonial width is average.I literally can’t see it being called subhuman tier.

I think you don’t see it cause I have a bit of facial fat that hangs around under my ear but I wasn’t talking about jawline/ramus definition, just the actual length of the bone itself…

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

You don't.

That's not related to the position of your jaw in the saggital plane (oversimplification but you're still not correct).

If you go to a bluepilled one, sure. Occlusion doesn't mean shit

If you want to you can PM me i’ll show you a clearer picture.