Am I an idiot, Or is this a lie about steroids??.

[fashioncel]

First of all I'm not calling anyone a liar or any bad names, I'm just confused.

So Jonas made these claims on a pin thread.

Which is just Wrong and kinda weird,

Because for some peptide there is some Studies and proof backing it up,

But for steroids, People can't really make Popular study on that (because steroids are highly illegal),

But I tried to look and find some some popular studies,

For CJC-1295 increasing growth hormone (and growth hormone is Literally one of the most important things to increase bone growth), It's not that hard to find because it's literally on Wikipedia,

Proof:

And human growth hormone is Also increased bone mass (I'm too lazy to link the study sorry, but you can see the name of the study)

You know what also increases growth hormone, Ipamorelin.

And you might say "Oh Jonas is just Talking about a fully adult male Who's growth Plate are closed",

Well it still wouldn't make sense For him to say there's nothing to prove that steroids/peptide increase bone mass,

And one of his friends (Chadisbeingmade)

Made the claim of steroids do not even increase bone mass, And the only effect the masser muscles,

Which is just wrong, Cause I already proved, Peptide/steroids increase growth hormone which increases bone mass,


So am I just dumb, Or am I missing a joke or something.

 

[vincentzygo]

Yeah that Jonas nigga is just tryna gatekeep
Even said 'bonesmashing doesn't work' yeah gtfo fed

 

[KeepCopingLads]

@ZyzzReincarnate (tagging cus he's the only guy ive seen get actual bones from roids)

 

[KeepCopingLads]

bonesmashing doesn't work

i thought bonesmashing only created swelling

 

[Sachlichkeit]

First of all I'm not calling anyone a liar or any bad names, I'm just confused.

So Jonas made these claims on a pin thread.

View attachment 3993130

View attachment 3993131

Which is just Wrong and kinda weird,

Because for some peptide there is some Studies and proof backing it up,

But for steroids, People can't really make Popular study on that (because steroids are highly illegal),

But I tried to look and find some some popular studies,

For CJC-1295 increasing growth hormone (and growth hormone is Literally one of the most important things to increase bone growth), It's not that hard to find because it's literally on Wikipedia,

Proof:

View attachment 3993224


And human growth hormone is Also increased bone mass (I'm too lazy to link the study sorry, but you can see the name of the study)

View attachment 3993225

You know what also increases growth hormone, Ipamorelin.

View attachment 3993228

And you might say "Oh Jonas is just Talking about a fully adult male Who's growth Plate are closed",

Well it still wouldn't make sense For him to say there's nothing to prove that steroids/peptide increase bone mass,

And one of his friends (Chadisbeingmade)

Made the claim of steroids do not even increase bone mass, And the only effect the masser muscles,

Which is just wrong, Cause I already proved, Peptide/steroids increase growth hormone which increases bone mass,


So am I just dumb, Or am I missing a joke or something.

Yes lot of oldheads on org are just jaded rotters

Essentially circle jerk spouting same information despite it being wrong or outdated.

People have natural negativity bias, is easier to hate than it is to offer viable solutions.

That’s why u will see lots of threads on what “doesn’t work” but not very many on what actually does work.

 

[80llo]

First of all I'm not calling anyone a liar or any bad names, I'm just confused.

So Jonas made these claims on a pin thread.

View attachment 3993130

View attachment 3993131

Which is just Wrong and kinda weird,

Because for some peptide there is some Studies and proof backing it up,

But for steroids, People can't really make Popular study on that (because steroids are highly illegal),

But I tried to look and find some some popular studies,

For CJC-1295 increasing growth hormone (and growth hormone is Literally one of the most important things to increase bone growth), It's not that hard to find because it's literally on Wikipedia,

Proof:

View attachment 3993224


And human growth hormone is Also increased bone mass (I'm too lazy to link the study sorry, but you can see the name of the study)

View attachment 3993225

You know what also increases growth hormone, Ipamorelin.

View attachment 3993228

And you might say "Oh Jonas is just Talking about a fully adult male Who's growth Plate are closed",

Well it still wouldn't make sense For him to say there's nothing to prove that steroids/peptide increase bone mass,

And one of his friends (Chadisbeingmade)

Made the claim of steroids do not even increase bone mass, And the only effect the masser muscles,

Which is just wrong, Cause I already proved, Peptide/steroids increase growth hormone which increases bone mass,


So am I just dumb, Or am I missing a joke or something.

That guy was just coping and gatekeeping,but use something that actually works if i see another retard running cjc no dac and ipam i might skin somebody

 

[Zagro]

First of all I'm not calling anyone a liar or any bad names, I'm just confused.

So Jonas made these claims on a pin thread.

View attachment 3993130

View attachment 3993131

Which is just Wrong and kinda weird,

Because for some peptide there is some Studies and proof backing it up,

But for steroids, People can't really make Popular study on that (because steroids are highly illegal),

But I tried to look and find some some popular studies,

For CJC-1295 increasing growth hormone (and growth hormone is Literally one of the most important things to increase bone growth), It's not that hard to find because it's literally on Wikipedia,

Proof:

View attachment 3993224


And human growth hormone is Also increased bone mass (I'm too lazy to link the study sorry, but you can see the name of the study)

View attachment 3993225

You know what also increases growth hormone, Ipamorelin.

View attachment 3993228

And you might say "Oh Jonas is just Talking about a fully adult male Who's growth Plate are closed",

Well it still wouldn't make sense For him to say there's nothing to prove that steroids/peptide increase bone mass,

And one of his friends (Chadisbeingmade)

Made the claim of steroids do not even increase bone mass, And the only effect the masser muscles,

Which is just wrong, Cause I already proved, Peptide/steroids increase growth hormone which increases bone mass,


So am I just dumb, Or am I missing a joke or something.

You’re dumb ngl

 

[fashioncel]

There's the proof of Chadisbeingmade saying that Steroids don't work,

@JohnBaza

 

[KeepCopingLads]

First of all I'm not calling anyone a liar or any bad names, I'm just confused.

So Jonas made these claims on a pin thread.

View attachment 3993130

View attachment 3993131

Which is just Wrong and kinda weird,

Because for some peptide there is some Studies and proof backing it up,

But for steroids, People can't really make Popular study on that (because steroids are highly illegal),

But I tried to look and find some some popular studies,

For CJC-1295 increasing growth hormone (and growth hormone is Literally one of the most important things to increase bone growth), It's not that hard to find because it's literally on Wikipedia,

Proof:

View attachment 3993224


And human growth hormone is Also increased bone mass (I'm too lazy to link the study sorry, but you can see the name of the study)

View attachment 3993225

You know what also increases growth hormone, Ipamorelin.

View attachment 3993228

And you might say "Oh Jonas is just Talking about a fully adult male Who's growth Plate are closed",

Well it still wouldn't make sense For him to say there's nothing to prove that steroids/peptide increase bone mass,

And one of his friends (Chadisbeingmade)

Made the claim of steroids do not even increase bone mass, And the only effect the masser muscles,

Which is just wrong, Cause I already proved, Peptide/steroids increase growth hormone which increases bone mass,


So am I just dumb, Or am I missing a joke or something.

i remember seeing a post for bones
(not sure if its real or fake cus i havent done any further research cus i forgot )
ibutamoren 12.5-25mg a day
berberine
cjc i295 dac 1mg a week
strontium ranelate 700mg a day
(now do the research for me bhai )

 

[fashioncel]

You’re dumb ngl

If you can please provide some proof that will debunk my claims.

 

[Zagro]

i remember seeing a post for bones
(not sure if its real or fake cus i havent done any further research cus i forgot )
ibutamoren 12.5-25mg a day
berberine
cjc i295 dac 1mg a week
strontium ranelate 700mg a day
(now do the research for me bhai )

Holy fuck this is even dumber

 

[KeepCopingLads]

Holy fuck this is even dumber

its okay, just blast double digits of hgh to achieve acromelagy

 

[80llo]

If you can please provide some proof that will debunk my claims.

I don’t get how they are disagreeing with you epigenetic changes are real + if osteoblast proliferation is more where do all the osteoblast go? Do they just disappear at least they increase density

 

[fashioncel]

i remember seeing a post for bones
(not sure if its real or fake cus i havent done any further research cus i forgot )
ibutamoren 12.5-25mg a day
berberine
cjc i295 dac 1mg a week
strontium ranelate 700mg a day
(now do the research for me bhai )

I am not your slave bud.

 

[JohnBaza]

First of all I'm not calling anyone a liar or any bad names, I'm just confused.

So Jonas made these claims on a pin thread.

View attachment 3993130

View attachment 3993131

Which is just Wrong and kinda weird,

Because for some peptide there is some Studies and proof backing it up,

But for steroids, People can't really make Popular study on that (because steroids are highly illegal),

But I tried to look and find some some popular studies,

For CJC-1295 increasing growth hormone (and growth hormone is Literally one of the most important things to increase bone growth), It's not that hard to find because it's literally on Wikipedia,

Proof:

View attachment 3993224


And human growth hormone is Also increased bone mass (I'm too lazy to link the study sorry, but you can see the name of the study)

View attachment 3993225

You know what also increases growth hormone, Ipamorelin.

View attachment 3993228

And you might say "Oh Jonas is just Talking about a fully adult male Who's growth Plate are closed",

Well it still wouldn't make sense For him to say there's nothing to prove that steroids/peptide increase bone mass,

And one of his friends (Chadisbeingmade)

Made the claim of steroids do not even increase bone mass, And the only effect the masser muscles,

Which is just wrong, Cause I already proved, Peptide/steroids increase growth hormone which increases bone mass,


So am I just dumb, Or am I missing a joke or something.

bhaijan just marry ur cousin and eat a big plate of rice with ur rich kuwaiti family members every day and hire a slavic prostitute from time to time and u wont have to worry about steroids and sheeit

 

[KeepCopingLads]

I am not your slave bud.

dw i was just joking

 

[fashioncel]

bhaijan just marry ur cousin and eat a big plate of rice with ur rich kuwaiti family members every day and hire a slavic prostitute from time to time and u wont have to worry about steroids and sheeit
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Nah, I'm trying to become a uncanny htn tbh.

 

[fashioncel]

dw i was just joking

I was just joking too.

 

[JohnBaza]

Nah, I'm trying to become a uncanny htn tbh.

bro the cousin method is ez and high iq in kuwait

 

[fashioncel]

bro the cousin method is ez and high iq in kuwait

Yeah I'm gonna fuck my cousin and become a uncanny htn.

 

[Zagro]

If you can please provide some proof that will debunk my claims.

What do you want me to debunk? That human growth hormone and gh secretagogues increase growth hormone? I mean yes they do, will they grow your bones? Of course not (at least not for you cause i know your ass ain’t using double digit units of HGH for prolonged periods just to develop acromegaly-like features, which look unappealing).

Also even if you had more gh/igf you would have to pray it doesn’t just enlarge your nose and ear cartilage rather than make you “uncanny htn” which it wont. You cant predict the growth or if there even will be any, you don’t have GHD as well and probably post-puberty so don’t put all your funds in shit like this and begin saving up for surgery.

 

[JohnBaza]

What do you want me to debunk? That human growth hormone and gh secretagogues increase growth hormone? I mean yes they do, will they grow your bones? Of course not (at least not for you cause i know your ass ain’t using double digit units of HGH for prolonged periods just to develop acromegaly-like features, which look unappealing).

Also even if you had more gh/igf you would have to pray it doesn’t just enlarge your nose and ear cartilage rather than make you “uncanny htn” which it wont. You cant predict the growth or if there even will be any, you don’t have GHD as well and probably post-puberty so don’t put all your funds in shit like this and begin saving up for surgery.

those who do zygos strips

 

[JohnBaza]

What do you want me to debunk? That human growth hormone and gh secretagogues increase growth hormone? I mean yes they do, will they grow your bones? Of course not (at least not for you cause i know your ass ain’t using double digit units of HGH for prolonged periods just to develop acromegaly-like features, which look unappealing).

Also even if you had more gh/igf you would have to pray it doesn’t just enlarge your nose and ear cartilage rather than make you “uncanny htn” which it wont. You cant predict the growth or if there even will be any, you don’t have GHD as well and probably post-puberty so don’t put all your funds in shit like this and begin saving up for surgery.

doesnt it only grow bones if u use it in puberty for a long period idk too much about it

 

[Zagro]

those who do zygos strips

Secret lookism.net method leaked

 

[JohnBaza]

Secret lookism.net method leaked

what is ur favourite bone???! zygos or maxilla. maxilla low diffs zygos ez

 

[Zagro]

what is ur favourite bone???! zygos or maxilla. maxilla low diffs zygos ez

Whats a maxilla?

 

[fashioncel]

will they grow your bones? Of course not (at least not for you cause i know your ass ain’t using double digit units of HGH for prolonged periods just to develop acromegaly-like features, which look unappealing).

"Bro hgh Doesn't grow your bones (Except if you use it in a way that grows your bones)"

That's what you basically fucking said,


So I will repeat this if you can provide information that HGH Doesn't grow your bones in any way, Give it to me.

 

[Jonasㅤㅤ]

What the fuck he pulled up the google search how am I gonna cope now

 

[JohnBaza]

Whats a maxilla?

do u know why maxilla is better than the zygos? the maxilla carries the zygos which means it s stronger. but its over for the maxilla AND the zygos when the mandible enters the room

 

[chadisbeingmade]

I abuse roids, growth hormone, peptides myself, but for not for facial gains. Roiding for “facial gains” is simply retarded.

You are going to only realistically induce facial bone changes through dosages of hGH that are literally abuse tier, which will also result in cartilage growth etc, and is an overall looksmin. You are not going to ascend though the use of it, at least not facially.

The only real change without abuse of hGH and roids is an increase in masseter size, and a deterioration of your skin and hair if you don’t take the necessary precautions like Dutasteide, RU and multiple other drugs.

 

[Zagro]

"Bro hgh Doesn't grow your bones (Except if you use it in a way that grows your bones)"

That's what you basically fucking said,


So I will repeat this if you can provide information that HGH Doesn't grow your bones in any way, Give it to me.

Holy fuck you are a different specimen, have fun having these insanely appealing features

 

[JohnBaza]

Holy fuck you are a different specimen, have fun having these insanely appealing features

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top left dude mogs icl

 

[Zagro]

top left dude mogs icl

Unknown slayer

 

[JohnBaza]

Unknown slayer

he is the type of nigga u would have seen in the scythian steppelands raiding ur caravan passing trough

 

[JohnBaza]

Holy fuck you are a different specimen, have fun having these insanely appealing features

View attachment 3993375

how did u know im turkish?

 

[fashioncel]

I abuse roids, growth hormone, peptides myself, but for not for facial gains. Roiding for “facial gains” is simply retarded.

You are going to only realistically induce facial bone changes through dosages of hGH that are literally abuse tier, which will also result in cartilage growth etc, and is an overall looksmin. You are not going to ascend though the use of it, at least not facially.

The only real change without abuse of hGH and roids is an increase in masseter size, and a deterioration of your skin and hair if you don’t take the necessary precautions like Dutasteide, RU and multiple other drugs.

When did I say I will ascend by it, I'm just saying you should have said "roiding for Facial gains is retarded" Instead of saying it doesn't even work.

What the fuck he pulled up the google search how am I gonna cope now

At least I provided research,You said "there wasn't any research"

Holy fuck you are a different specimen, have fun having these insanely appealing features

View attachment 3993375

I will, (because I want foids to be scared of me and not pull up their phones to say he's a creep)

 

[Zagro]

how did u know im turkish?
View attachment 3993388

Fuck you bro

 

[Jonasㅤㅤ]

I think OPs question is genuine that's why I'm putting in the effort to reply.

First of all, I'm not in any way against innovation. I would love for roiding to just ascend everyone, reality looks different, however.

Which is just Wrong and kinda weird,

Because for some peptide there is some Studies and proof backing it up,

But for steroids, People can't really make Popular study on that (because steroids are highly illegal),

But I tried to look and find some some popular studies,

For CJC-1295 increasing growth hormone (and growth hormone is Literally one of the most important things to increase bone growth), It's not that hard to find because it's literally on Wikipedia,

Proof:

View attachment 3993224

The "proof" you provided here just shows elevated serum IGF-1 levels. That doesn't mean anything at all, my claim is questioning IGF-1-induced osteoblast proliferation as well.

And human growth hormone is Also increased bone mass (I'm too lazy to link the study sorry, but you can see the name of the study)

View attachment 3993225

You know what also increases growth hormone, Ipamorelin.

View attachment 3993228

Bone mass isn't equal to bone growth or development in any way. It isn't aesthetically significant.

I wish you would have taken the time to read my replies in the same thread as I explained everything already.

There are osteoporosis medications and they are very often prescribed in the elderly population. You don't see them turning into Chads and Stacies, obviously.

If you got any questions let me know, I'm here to answer.

 

[Zagro]

At least I provided research,You said "there wasn't any research"

 

[fashioncel]

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Just laughing emoji no debunking??

 

[chadisbeingmade]

When did I say I will ascend by it, I'm just saying you should have said "roiding for Facial gains is retarded" Instead of saying it doesn't even work.

Semantics.

It doesn’t work at the dosages people run here. No one is abusing, at least not that i’ve heard or seen. He isn’t wrong.

 

[imontheloose]

Bone mass isn't equal to bone growth or development in any way.

Density is a Jewish invention.

 

[fashioncel]

I think OPs question is genuine that's why I'm putting in the effort to reply.

First of all, I'm not in any way against innovation. I would love for roiding to just ascend everyone, reality looks different, however.

The "proof" you provided here just shows elevated serum IGF-1 levels. That doesn't mean anything at all, my claim is questioning IGF-1-induced osteoblast proliferation as well.

Bone mass isn't equal to bone growth or development in any way. It isn't aesthetically significant.

I wish you would have taken the time to read my replies in the same thread as I explained everything already.

There are osteoporosis medications and they are very often prescribed in the elderly population. You don't see them turning into Chads and Stacies, obviously.

If you got any questions let me know, I'm here to answer.

You may have misunderstood me,

My question isn't about "you can ascend with Roids" Because even the people that I saw Transform with roids, let's say they didn't look appealing,

But my question was why couldn't somebody in puberty transform their bones (even if it looks unappealing) with peptide/roads.

 

[Zagro]

Just laughing emoji no debunking??

Read the replies for once

“What do you want me to debunk? That human growth hormone and gh secretagogues increase growth hormone? I mean yes they do”

No one here is debunking that any of the compounds similar to CJC-1295 or Ipamorelin don’t produce or release more growth hormones, the truth is it wont grow your bones as you don’t have a growth hormone deficiency and you’re definitely post-puberty. If you had GHD and were pre-puberty then sure you can then reach your “normal” height with medical help. Your turn bud

 

[Jonasㅤㅤ]

Semantics.

It doesn’t work at the dosages people run here. No one is abusing, at least not that i’ve heard or seen. He isn’t wrong.

Besides that the thread is already extremely in-depth. Most people don't even read, it is very concerning that people either expect a dissertation or a shitpost on .org, nothing in-between.

Density is a Jewish invention.

Correct. Bones are hollow just like the earth. They can only increase in size (periosteal apposition).

You may have misunderstood me,

My question isn't about "you can ascend with Roids" Because even the people that I saw Transform with roids, let's say they didn't look appealing,

You are misattributing the facial changes. The bones didn't change, it could be anything but not bone.

Let me use this example to clarify. He is bloated, with tons of facial hair and at a high bf%. His skull didn't change at all, just like how Mr. O's skulls never change. I explain it over and over again but people refuse to understand.

But my question was why couldn't somebody in puberty transform their bones (even if it looks unappealing) with peptide/roads.

Because it isn't physically possible. People think it works due to a lack of knowledge thus fundamentally misunderstanding concepts like osteoblast proliferation.

 

[fashioncel]

Besides that the thread is already extremely in-depth. Most people don't even read, it is very concerning that people either expect a dissertation or a shitpost on .org, nothing in-between.

Correct. Bones are hollow just like the earth. They can only increase in size (periosteal apposition).

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You are misattributing the facial changes. The bones didn't change, it could be anything but not bone.

Let me use this example to clarify. He is bloated, with tons of facial hair and at a high bf%. His skull didn't change at all, just like how Mr. O's skulls never change. I explain it over and over again but people refuse to understand.

View attachment 3993419

Because it isn't physically possible. People think it works due to a lack of knowledge thus fundamentally misunderstanding concepts like osteoblast proliferation.

Read the replies for once

“What do you want me to debunk? That human growth hormone and gh secretagogues increase growth hormone? I mean yes they do”

No one here is debunking that any of the compounds similar to CJC-1295 or Ipamorelin don’t produce or release more growth hormones, the truth is it wont grow your bones as you don’t have a growth hormone deficiency and you’re definitely post-puberty. If you had GHD and were pre-puberty then sure you can then reach your “normal” height with medical help. Your turn bud

Semantics.

It doesn’t work at the dosages people run here. No one is abusing, at least not that i’ve heard or seen. He isn’t wrong.

Well thank you all for explaining this to me,

I just had a stupid question.

 

[mogging2eternity]

depends on androgene receptor sens, high t people can have zero bones while mid t people have chad jaw, pure genetic, depends on individual

 

[lokit]

depends on androgene receptor sens, high t people can have zero bones while mid t people have chad jaw, pure genetic, depends on individual

Brutal genetics pill

 

[Quncho]

Yes lot of oldheads on org are just jaded rotters

Essentially circle jerk spouting same information despite it being wrong or outdated.

People have natural negativity bias, is easier to hate than it is to offer viable solutions.

That’s why u will see lots of threads on what “doesn’t work” but not very many on what actually does work.

gold right here my nigga.

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

In every case where you see a teenager/young adult take gear for extended period of time you always notice lower third development and masculinization to some degree

case closed