Any hardmaxxing tips ?

[Iulian7680]

I am 21 years old and I want to ascend to a 7-8 range.
Will it be possible? If so, what cosmetic surgeries should I undergo?
(I am willing to pay a lot for surgeries)

 

[bossman]

No

Cosmetic surgery can correct major failos, of which you have none. No procedure would have a major ROI for you.

You are at your genetic potential. Go money and statusmaxx.

 

[vermicel]

I am 21 years old and I want to ascend to a 7-8 range.
Will it be possible? If so, what cosmetic surgeries should I undergo?

Your absolute priority right now, if you haven't done so already, is to hop on a hairloss treatment (finasteride, dutasteride, minoxidil, dermastamp). Although concealed with bangs, your hairline looks receded, and your temple peaks are miniaturized.

Then, you would benefit from filling in your eyebrows (health marker). You can use makeup until minoxidl and dermastamp achieve the desired result.

Another softmaxx : moisturize your lips properly.

As for surgeries : you could refine the tip of your nose. And, more importantly, you could graft fat to your undereyes, because they currently make you look unhealthy and tired.

None of the above will take you to the 7-8 range (top 1< %), but it would still lead to an improvement.

 

[Iulian7680]

but it would still lead to an improvement.

Thank you very much. I was also thinking about some of the measures you listed.
I think fat grafting under the eyes will be the cosmetic surgery with the highest ROI.
I am also considering taking dutasteride for hair and monoxidil for the eyebrows.

 

[Iulian7680]

I was also thinking about some of the measures you listed.

These things I know with 95% certainty that I will do. If I have the same motivation for looksmaxing in the future as I do now, I think I would do the following things (in addition to the ones listed above):

- Double jaw surgery (but without geneoplasty)
- Infraorbitals implants under the eye with projection (combined with fat grafting).
- Cheekbone implants (to make the cheekbone higher in relation to the rest of the face). I think my infraorbitals and cheekbones are the main features that pull me down. I also have asymmetry in my cheekbones and implants could correct the asymmetry
- I am also planning on treatment with accutane. Even though my skin is pretty decent, I know that accutane reduces the secretion of the sebaceous glands, which could make my nose smaller.
- If I lose too much hair before dutasteride/finasteride starts working, I think I would consider a hair transplant.

What do you think about these procedures? Will I ascend or will I get botched if I do this much ?

Also, one of the main „no” reasons I think about is the cost. All these procedures cost a lot

 

[vermicel]

I am also considering taking dutasteride

Don't waste too much time "considering". Go ahead and start a treatment asap. The sooner you do that, the higher the chance to reverse the loss (at least partly).
If taking dutasteride scares you a little bit, you could at least consider the safest alternative, which is topical finasteride (mixed with minoxidil). It will work nearly as well as oral finasteride to decrease DHT in the scalp, while reducing significantly potential side effects, because it won't affect your serum DHT nearly as much.
You should include weekly dermastamping to your routine (0.75-1.0 mm for the scalp ; 0.5 mm for the eyebrows), as it can truly make a positive difference with no negative side effects.

I took a second look at your front profile pic, and had fun tweaking it to achieve a legit 7-8 face. While doing that, I noticed that the main things holding you back (besides what has already been mentioned) are your eye spacing and your facial width. There is no reasonable way to fix those. But it's ok : you will look good enough after the aforementioned softmaxxes & minor hardmaxxes. Few people are born in the 7-8 range (>8 in particular), and even fewer can ascend to this level from the lower ranges. So don't feel too bad about it, and just make the most of what you have.

 

[vermicel]

- Double jaw surgery (but without geneoplasty)
- Infraorbitals implants under the eye with projection (combined with fat grafting).
- Cheekbone implants (to make the cheekbone higher in relation to the rest of the face). I think my infraorbitals and cheekbones are the main features that pull me down. I also have asymmetry in my cheekbones and implants could correct the asymmetry
- I am also planning on treatment with accutane. Even though my skin is pretty decent, I know that accutane reduces the secretion of the sebaceous glands, which could make my nose smaller.
- If I lose too much hair before dutasteride/finasteride starts working, I think I would consider a hair transplant.

What do you think about these procedures?

In my opinion, based on the photos you have provided :

DJS : no need.
Infra implants : no need.
Cheekbone implants : no need.
Accutane : don't expect much change to your nose.
Hair transplant : take meds for 3-5 years and then reassess. HT could be a relevant choice in the future.

 

[Iulian7680]

So don't feel too bad about it, and just make the most of what you have.

Thank you very much for trying to help me.
I wish I had such dedicated friends like you in real life .

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

Your absolute priority right now, if you haven't done so already, is to hop on a hairloss treatment (finasteride, dutasteride, minoxidil, dermastamp). Although concealed with bangs, your hairline looks receded, and your temple peaks are miniaturized.

Then, you would benefit from filling in your eyebrows (health marker). You can use makeup until minoxidl and dermastamp achieve the desired result.

Another softmaxx : moisturize your lips properly.

As for surgeries : you could refine the tip of your nose. And, more importantly, you could graft fat to your undereyes, because they currently make you look unhealthy and tired.

None of the above will take you to the 7-8 range (top 1< %), but it would still lead to an improvement.

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Ngl I love your morphs but the last one looks pinocchio tier with the long pointy nose.
Not worth it

 

[vermicel]

Thank you very much for trying to help me.
I wish I had such dedicated friends like you in real life .

No worries, we're all in this together.
And hopefully IRL friends would have saner things to do but to scrutinize your facial ratios

As someone else implied earlier in the thread, do not get sucked in looksmaxxing, you've got better things to do out there. Take the relevant and reasonable info (e.g. hairloss treatments), and then leave the website — unless you feel like shitposting in the offtopic subforum.

Also, one of the main „no” reasons I think about is the cost. All these procedures cost a lot

All the suggested softmaxxes can be achieved on a budget, so you'll be good in that regard. Fat grafting will cost ~$2K in Thailand and South Korea (for example) ; depending on the resorption rate, you might need 2 to 3 sessions to get the undereyes right. Rhinoplasty will cost $5-7K with good surgeons in Turkey and South Korea (for example, again) ; don't skimp on this one, because you want to avoid as much as possible the need for a revision. A hair transplant would probably be the most expensive procedure of the bunch, but you might not need one if you respond well to the aforementioned meds. All in all, you're not looking at a really huge budget.

the last one looks pinocchio tier with the long pointy nose.
Not worth it

Well, I can't get things right every time (or even most of the time). I didn't even modify the length of the nose ; simply removed a bit of the bulk around the tip, in an attempt to match the front profile morph.

 

[vermicel]

@Iulian7680 for the sake of being exhaustive and confronting different approaches : you could consider a more conservative looksmaxxing strategy that would avoid any of the previously suggested hardmaxxes (fat graft, rhino).

Indeed, your original nose fits well within your current face. The nose width and bulky tip match your wide set eyes. And the mouth-to-nose width ratio is within the ideal range (approx. 1,43). So one could make a reasonable argument that rhinoplasty is not needed, and that refining the tip isn't worth the inherent risk, hassle, and cost of surgery.

(As you can see on the pic above, current nose width aligns well with the medial canthus.)

Then, regarding your undereyes : instead of fat grafting, you could get by with a plain concealer. Cheap, safe, reversible, with immediate results. If done well, nobody will notice.
Sure, it will not fill up the hollowness of the tear through, but the latter is not that bad at this point in time. The coloring (red & blue undertones) and apparent veins contribute more to the "tired and unhealthy" look I was pointing at initially. A concealer will fix that.

I think your eyes (color, shape) are your strongest asset, and therefore you should maxx out the eye region as much as possible. That means taking care of the undereyes, eyelashes, and eyebrows.

If you chose this conservative strategy, capitalizing exclusively on softmaxxing, this is all you would need :
- concealer for the undereyes
- brow pencil to thicken up your eyebrows
- The Ordinary eyelash serum ; or Latisse (more efficient, but has a few potential downsides ; do your own research)
- lip balm (possibly tinted to improve overall coloring)
- hair loss products (dermastamp, minoxidil, dut/fin)

You could manage all of it on a small budget. We're talking about a $20-30 monthly expense, if not lower.

 

[Iulian7680]

You could manage all of it on a small budget. We're talking about a $20-30 monthly expense, if not lower.

Thank you

 

[Iulian7680]

Your absolute priority right now, if you haven't done so already, is to hop on a hairloss treatment (finasteride, dutasteride, minoxidil, dermastamp)

Today I bought minoxidil and finasteride. I would like to hardmax now, but I don't have the resources yet, and for this reason I'm starting with softmaxxing first, then I'll try hardmaxxing later in the future. I started finasteride treatment today. I will announce my experience with finasteride on this post (if any negative effects appear, etc.). I'm currently using minoxidil for my hair and eyebrows. After 6 months I'll post a picture in this post for us to see the progress. Wish me luck.

 

[JohanBigBalle]

I agree with what the others have said. Played around in gimp tho

greater brow ridge, less of upper eyelid shown, eyes look deeper
infra implants, better orbital vector
slight bimax, more upturned nose
slight genio & gonials for more mandible height