Any software developers here? Are you worried about being cucked by AI?

[johnsmithcel]

How likely is it that a guy in his 20s now can make it into retirement with his degree remaining useful?

 

[Chinacurry]

Half th3 forum is indian, y u even asking...

 

[Deleted member 14392]

I really hope it doesn't cuck software engineers, because if it does then me and many other sub chads will have no means of ascension (money for surgeries, traveling, escorts, etc...)

All we can do now is pray to Gandy

 

[johnsmithcel]

I really hope it doesn't cuck software engineers, because if it does then me and many other sub chads will have no means of ascension (money for surgeries, traveling, escorts, etc...)

All we can do now is pray to Gandy

yeah if I waste 4 years studying this shit (in 2nd year now) and I end up in retail, i'm just going to rope. Maybe I should've done a business degree jfl.

I doubt AI will completely replace every codecel, but i'm worried that it will just be the top 20% nerds controlling it and fixing the few bugs it makes.
I know my place and that I wouldn't survive if the majority of codecels became redundant.

 

[Giorgio]

I used to think so, but the I realized I was being stupid and it absolutely is not the case

AI does not create anything new, it only takes things already made and regurgitates it based on the input parameters
and the things it does are simply really fucking basic - look at the examples of what github copilot does

an AI will never:
- come up with a solution to a problem
- solve a bug
- utilize libraries that aren't extremely popular
- write a custom solution that fits your codebase exactly
- be able to orient itself in a massive codebase of a large scale complex application

so you will arrive at the point, where giving the AI the instructions will take more time than actually writing the code yourself, and still the code will be subpar

also, no-code, and low-code tools have been here for years - and still barely anyone uses them

at most, AI will replace the easiest and simplest tasks, just like low-code tools/wordpress have replaced people who made simple static HTML sites for local business

yeah if I waste 4 years studying this shit (in 2nd year now) and I end up in retail, i'm just going to rope

you should rope right now if you're studying software engineering when literally everything you need is for free and on the internet
you should rope right now if you're wasting your UNI experience in a fucking 90% male school

 

[Deleted member 22381]

How likely is it that a guy in his 20s now can make it into retirement with his degree remaining useful?

Lurk r/singularity for speculation/opinions from nerds who obsess over this shit. No one knows for sure but you can get an idea of what’s coming

 

[johnsmithcel]

I used to think so, but the I realized I was being stupid and it absolutely is not the case

AI does not create anything new, it only takes things already made and regurgitates it based on the input parameters
and the things it does are simply really fucking basic - look at the examples of what github copilot does

an AI will never:
- come up with a solution to a problem
- solve a bug
- utilize libraries that aren't extremely popular
- write a custom solution that fits your codebase exactly
- be able to orient itself in a massive codebase of a large scale complex application

so you will arrive at the point, where giving the AI the instructions will take more time than actually writing the code yourself, and still the code will be subpar

also, no-code, and low-code tools have been here for years - and still barely anyone uses them

at most, AI will replace the easiest and simplest tasks, just like low-code tools/wordpress have replaced people who made simple static HTML sites for local business

For now you're right, but it's hard to tell how advanced this shit will be in 10, 20 years from now. Even if it doesn't really create anything new, it can still speed up tasks drastically, to the point that 8/10 programmers are no longer needed. Already seeing redditors saying that it can do in a few seconds what would've taken them an hour. Codecelling might get a lot more competitive.

you should rope right now if you're studying software engineering when literally everything you need is for free and on the internet

self-learning is a meme and requires discipline most people don't have. Aside from a few lucky people, you need a degree to get anywhere. Bootcamps are a meme.

you should rope right now if you're wasting your UNI experience in a fucking 90% male school

Lol nigga, most degrees worth a damn are male only. You want me to go into gender studies to have foids around me?

 

[Giorgio]

For now you're right, but it's hard to tell how advanced this shit will be in 10, 20 years from now. Even if it doesn't really create anything new, it can still speed up tasks drastically, to the point that 8/10 programmers are no longer needed. Already seeing redditors saying that it can do in a few seconds what would've taken them an hour. Codecelling might get a lot more competitive.

as anyone who works in the IT sphere, you will constantly need to study and learn new things
it's a part of the job

self-learning is a meme and requires discipline most people don't have. Aside from a few lucky people, you need a degree to get anywhere. Bootcamps are a meme.

somehow I don't feel like you're actually in any UNI rn
all because all my friends that have gone to soft dev uni had to learn everything by themselves anyway
online materials are far superior to the outdated retarded resources the UNI gives you

Lol nigga, most degrees worth a damn are male only. You want me to go into gender studies to have foids around me?

no, you go into a normal UNI to live out your student years, have fun, party and have relationships
how old are you?

you're gonna get hit with the brutal reality after you exit your UNI, when you find out that it's impossible to have a decent social life once you're a wageslave
you can never have a social life as good as you can in college

after you start wageslaving, you can literally only maintain what you had built in college
but feel free to disregard what I'm saying

a true alpha male hits his prime in his 40's right?

 

[NeverHadFriends]

The AI just as everything is gonna have errors but ironically at some point it will get so good that it won't be good for softies. Lol

 

[johnsmithcel]

somehow I don't feel like you're actually in any UNI rn
all because all my friends that have gone to soft dev uni had to learn everything by themselves anyway
online materials are far superior to the outdated retarded resources the UNI gives you

That applies to every degree anywhere lol. You know what to learn because of going to uni. That's just how it is. Most people working in the field graduated college. What you're saying is a meme. A few bootcampers here and there got lucky, but it doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of people who want to work in software development have to go to college for it.

no, you go into a normal UNI to live out your student years, have fun, party and have relationships
how old are you?

you're gonna get hit with the brutal reality after you exit your UNI, when you find out that it's impossible to have a decent social life once you're a wageslave
you can never have a social life as good as you can in college

after you start wageslaving, you can literally only maintain what you had built in college
but feel free to disregard what I'm saying

a true alpha male hits his prime in his 40's right?

lol wtf? I'm going to uni to get a career out of it. I'm not going in there to do a useless degree i'm not interested in for muh pussy. I'm 21, in my second year currently. I literally don't understand what you're trying to say.

 

[Deleted member 6217]

it's over for junior developers try to get a master's in AI or something

 

[johnsmithcel]

@badg96 what do you work as?

 

[Deleted member 6217]

I'm in the exact same boat as you btw majoring in comp sci and I already see the writing on the walls

 

[johnsmithcel]

I'm in the exact same boat as you btw majoring in comp sci and I already see the writing on the walls

what year are you in?

 

[Seth Walsh]

ChatGPT helps a lot even as a trained dev working full time. It has a lot of limitations such as not being able to debug code itself of test execution in its own environment, and it won't be able to know your own code environment because it can't run code you send it. It helps a lot with finding bugs and giving alternative ways of accomplishing something, like faster, more scalable and efficient methods to achieve what you want, along with some ways to tidy up the code.

It won't understand imports that well and it suck that you can't just paste all your dependent libraries to ChatGPT because it returns errors when you feed it big scripts like thousands of lines of code. Company software systems and especially systems that track and utilize daily financial data rely on scripts that take a ton of imports from other scripts that usually fetch live data from an internal DB using SQL or something.

All of that is too much for ChatGPT to handle since it:

1. Can't execute code or interpret lists and dataframes through something like Spyder's variable explorer
2. Can't take in huge scripts, which are usually used as imports whenever you are working on creating better solutions via your own scripts. So ChatGPT won't have the fully context of say, where some functions and classes are coming from; it'll only know what you feed it, which is usually small bits of code.
3. Can't access companies' internal databases which is pretty much fundamental when creating any types of py files. (DB could contain medical data, customer data, financial data etc, all specific to the company). Public AI would never be able to access it.

 

[Jigen]

you're gonna get hit with the brutal reality after you exit your UNI, when you find out that it's impossible to have a decent social life once you're a wageslave
you can never have a social life as good as you can in college

Most brutal aspect of the agepill.

 

[Seth Walsh]

How likely is it that a guy in his 20s now can make it into retirement with his degree remaining useful?

Software Development will take you a long way and I'm sure there will be lots of opportunities in the future where you can use your skill to create profitable projects and businesses.

The issue with companies and hiring devs is, they already know the role for stem-maxxed curries, and that's for them to be more paper pusher devs that just keep the firm ticking over, without getting too close to the power structure or better connected to areas outside of IT.

Lookism exists everywhere but IQ, creativity (with a sort of neurodiv mind), with a high degree of conscientiousness, consistency and stress tolerance really trumps everything when it comes to making the most money career-wise. Making good investment decisions, budgeting, avoiding unnecessary, (spending a % of your salary on copes over years and years), and just having your personal finance really dialled in will really help the most with becoming wealthy and staying wealthy when we disclude any/all factors that may bias you toward having better job opportunities and career paths outside of IQ.

Everyone says looks is everything. While that's true in a way, and still helps you make more money than someone less attractive ceteris paribas; it's not the main driver. There are tons of real geniuses making millions per year by finding inefficiencies in certain areas of consumerism, finance, real-money markets in computer games, and building and maintaining automated systems that produce profits.

No one will ever release a guide on how to do this, because, if a "method" actually works, and you tell others how to exploit those inefficiencies, there no longer will be any inefficiencies and hence no more money to be made.

Every single dropshipping guide is a scam. Every single money making method/guide that people try to sell, just doesn't work in practice. And if it works for 1 out of every 5000 who try, then the "success" is just mal-attribution to "making money from the guide", when really it's just the individual's ingenuity and path dependency relative to the others who were less successful or failed, that paid off.

 

[jojoyou]

No, there was also talks about how AI will revolt against humanity. I do AI and computer science, AI doesn’t have the capability to adapt to every circumstance such as humans because in order for the AI to develop you would need a repetitive tasks(example:- take Tesla AI, their repetitive task is for them to identify the road and oncoming collisions. Now the same AI won’t be able to take you to the hospital ASAP in an emergency because it hasn’t learnt how to react in that scenario) even in workspace every client have different needs, it’s a wide spectrum if you talk about it. AI hasn’t developed enough and also companies aren’t willing to pay large amounts of $$$ to allot AI engineers to develop them.

 

[Seth Walsh]

No, there was also talks about how AI will revolt against humanity. I do AI and computer science, AI doesn’t have the capability to adapt to every circumstance such as humans because in order for the AI to develop you would need a repetitive tasks(example:- take Tesla AI, their repetitive task is for them to identify the road and oncoming collisions. Now the same AI won’t be able to take you to the hospital ASAP in an emergency because it hasn’t learnt how to react in that scenario) even in workspace every client have different needs, it’s a wide spectrum if you talk about it. AI hasn’t developed enough and also companies aren’t willing to pay large amounts of $$$ to allot AI engineers to develop them.

It will fully replace some mundane jobs and leave those people worse off. I can see bus, train and truck drivers' jobs being taken over by AI pretty soon.

Just like how the demolition of patriarchal values and the rise of education and career opportunity for women has given them the chance to earn a living without depending on a man - the importance of looks and beauty has unearthed.

Just like how AI can fully take over jobs that require non-complex repetitious tasks, meaning some jobs will be fully automated for the sake of fiscal efficiency for business-owners - the true importance of IQ will be unearthed (ie: the benefit of having high IQ and the detriment of being low IQ), in terms of quality of life.

 

[jojoyou]

It will fully replace some mundane jobs and leave those people worse off. I can see bus, train and truck drivers' jobs being taken over by AI pretty soon.

Just like how the demolition of patriarchal values and the rise of education and career opportunity for women has given them the chance to earn a living without depending on a man - the importance of looks and beauty has unearthed.

Just like how AI can fully take over jobs that require non-complex repetitious tasks, meaning some jobs will be fully automated for the sake of fiscal efficiency for business-owners - the true importance of IQ will be unearthed (ie: the benefit of having high IQ and the detriment of being low IQ), in terms of quality of life.

i am thinking of doing a specialisation course in either IOT or machine learning, any idea which is better?

 

[Seth Walsh]

i am thinking of doing a specialisation course in either IOT or machine learning, any idea which is better?

It's up to you entirely but if I had to suggest which is better I'd focus on ML and AI over IOT. High level IOT stuff isn't used much in business and there will be more opportunity with learning to code and use ML.

Becoming an IOT specialist and learning how to reverse engineer embedded systems is very challenging and there's simply not much opportunity with IOT, even if you become a complete expert.

Most companies are looking for proficient programmers who can use python to create and make updates to their systems which relate to business operations.

 

[Deleted member 13787]

AI will make programming easier and has been used in the industry since early 2010s, def not cucked

 

[jojoyou]

It's up to you entirely but if I had to suggest which is better I'd focus on ML and AI over IOT. High level IOT stuff isn't used much in business and there will be more opportunity with learning to code and use ML.

Becoming an IOT specialist and learning how to reverse engineer embedded systems is very challenging and there's simply not much opportunity with IOT, even if you become a complete expert.

Most companies are looking for proficient programmers who can use python to create and make updates to their systems which relate to business operations.

Damn do I really need to learn python? I learnt Java and did some projects, my first goal was to be a full stack developer so I learnt Java,html,css and SQL and currently learning javascript. Is python really the future of coding?

 

[Seth Walsh]

Damn do I really need to learn python? I learnt Java and did some projects, my first goal was to be a full stack developer so I learnt Java,html,css and SQL and currently learning javascript. Is python really the future of coding?

Python is everything. I know a lot of people want to believe there's real value in learning other languages but that's simply not the case. Python mogs every language by a landslide and it's not even nearly close at all. A lot of C++ devs with like 30+ years of experience are switching to Python now too.

 

[Seth Walsh]

Damn do I really need to learn python? I learnt Java and did some projects, my first goal was to be a full stack developer so I learnt Java,html,css and SQL and currently learning javascript. Is python really the future of coding?

SQL is good but it's something you'll learn after starting with Python. You might pick up other languages after like R, Typescript and Golang after Python but they will be pretty easy to use once you get advanced with Python. It's not so much the language itself but moreso it's ability to be flexible with so many different systems and implementations. C or C++ would be the main languages with low level IOT stuff like writing code to be used directly with embedded systems since they're statically compiled and closer to machine code meaning faster execution. It's also possible to write directly to pretty much all embedded systems with C or C++ because they are so interoperable with assembly language.

But learning low level statically compiled languages compared to something like Python which can pretty much almost do it all, are completely different things. If you just want "the best" language to learn for career opportunities, money making opportunities, falling into learning other important stuff like automation, data visualization, ML, dealing statistics and probability through code etc - then Python is it.

 

[Seth Walsh]

AI will make programming easier and has been used in the industry since early 2010s, def not cucked

Yeah but ChatGPT is really really helpful. Makes stackoverflow almost totally redundant and helps point out bugs and gives alternate solutions which you can learn from too, in terms of making your code as efficient and scalable as possible.

 

[johnsmithcel]

Yeah but ChatGPT is really really helpful. Makes stackoverflow almost totally redundant and helps point out bugs and gives alternate solutions which you can learn from too, in terms of making your code as efficient and scalable as possible.

yeah, thank fuck I won't have to interact with the subhumans on stackoverflow anymore. That was a nightmare.

 

[Deleted member 14392]

Python is everything. I know a lot of people want to believe there's real value in learning other languages but that's simply not the case. Python mogs every language by a landslide and it's not even nearly close at all. A lot of C++ devs with like 30+ years of experience are switching to Python now too.

What makes you think of Python as a superior language when compared to most? I thought it was a general consensus that its applications were niche, consisting mostly in the areas of A.I, statistics and other smaller and simpler apps.

 

[Deleted member 6128]

Mirin all the codecels in this thread hopefully one day I’ll fully become one and start my own software company

 

[Seth Walsh]

What makes you think of Python as a superior language when compared to most? I thought it was a general consensus that its applications were niche, consisting mostly in the areas of A.I, statistics and other smaller and simpler apps.

It's just capable of more than any other language

 

[Pakicel]

It will fully replace some mundane jobs and leave those people worse off. I can see bus, train and truck drivers' jobs being taken over by AI pretty soon.

Just like how the demolition of patriarchal values and the rise of education and career opportunity for women has given them the chance to earn a living without depending on a man - the importance of looks and beauty has unearthed.

Just like how AI can fully take over jobs that require non-complex repetitious tasks, meaning some jobs will be fully automated for the sake of fiscal efficiency for business-owners - the true importance of IQ will be unearthed (ie: the benefit of having high IQ and the detriment of being low IQ), in terms of quality of life.

What do you do if you are not very high IQ? I think I could handle junior level tasks if I try but thinking about things on a much higher level confuses me tbh. Not sure if it is because I am not that intelligent or if I am lazy af lol.

 

[Pakicel]

What makes you think of Python as a superior language when compared to most? I thought it was a general consensus that its applications were niche, consisting mostly in the areas of A.I, statistics and other smaller and simpler apps.

Python is very versatile. Chances are there is a relatively easy to use library for anything you want to do.

 

[Seth Walsh]

What do you do if you are not very high IQ? I think I could handle junior level tasks if I try but thinking about things on a much higher level confuses me tbh. Not sure if it is because I am not that intelligent or if I am lazy af lol.

Start with simple stuff and keep giving yourself practical challenges and see how you find it. Also think about taking a course

 

[Pakicel]

Start with simple stuff and keep giving yourself practical challenges and see how you find it. Also think about taking a course

Man. It is just hard to motivate yourself when you are ugly. I mean even for interviews, you have to look at your face on the screen. I see my gigarecessed face and want to rope.

I think if I got a genioplasty, I won't be too bothered with my face.

 

[Seth Walsh]

Man. It is just hard to motivate yourself when you are ugly. I mean even for interviews, you have to look at your face on the screen. I see my gigarecessed face and want to rope.

I think if I got a genioplasty, I won't be too bothered with my face.

I don't think getting surgery will help you focus away from looks. If anything it'll make your thinking more extreme

 

[Pakicel]

I don't think getting surgery will help you focus away from looks. If anything it'll make your thinking more extreme

What if you are legit truecel?

 

[LooksOrDeath]

I don't think getting surgery will help you focus away from looks. If anything it'll make your thinking more extreme

A fair exchange if you look much better after the surgery

 

[Deleted member 14392]

Man. It is just hard to motivate yourself when you are ugly. I mean even for interviews, you have to look at your face on the screen. I see my gigarecessed face and want to rope.

I think if I got a genioplasty, I won't be too bothered with my face.

Think that studymaxxing hard for a high paying carreer is the only way for you to achieve enough money for your surgeries.

I'm in the same situation as well. It's being an herculean task for me, but i decided that i don't want to give up just now, so i just have to keep going.

Regarding the interview part, i can agree with you that being ugly puts one in disadvantage, but the IT area is known to value it pretty lightly (just take a look at the average programmer stereotype lmao), so it won't be a large barrier.

 

[Pakicel]

Think that studymaxxing hard for a high paying carreer is the only way for you to achieve enough money for your surgeries.

I'm in the same situation as well. It's being an herculean task for me, but i decided that i don't want to give up just now, so i just have to keep going.

Regarding the interview part, i can agree with you that being ugly puts one in disadvantage, but the IT area is known to value it pretty lightly (just take a look at the average programmer stereotype lmao), so it won't be a large barrier.

But surgery isn't really guaranteed to ascend you tbh.

Though since I am truecel, anything I do would be an improvement. Worst case scenario, I go from 0 SMV to 0 SMV.

 

[rand anon]

AI will make programming easier and has been used in the industry since early 2010s, def not cucked

 

[Deleted member 14392]

But surgery isn't really guaranteed to ascend you tbh.

Though since I am truecel, anything I do would be an improvement. Worst case scenario, I go from 0 SMV to 0 SMV.

Not a guarantee but the only way unfortunately.

 

[Giorgio]

Most brutal aspect of the agepill.

yep, many people here are in denial about it (like op), they have not eneteredt the workforce yet, and don't realize how fucking depressing the 9 to 5 wageslave lifestyle is

that's why I am setting up my career and looksmaxing before I even enter uni, to make sure I have a good experience there and will stay there until I'm damn near 30

after that I reckon I will have gotten the partying out of my system by that age, and will want to move on to other things

but unless you're a natural born chad and have parents money, going to uni at 20 is a mistake

 

[johnsmithcel]

yep, many people here are in denial about it (like op), they have not eneteredt the workforce yet, and don't realize how fucking depressing the 9 to 5 wageslave lifestyle is

that's why I am setting up my career and looksmaxing before I even enter uni, to make sure I have a good experience there and will stay there until I'm damn near 30

after that I reckon I will have gotten the partying out of my system by that age, and will want to move on to other things

but unless you're a natural born chad and have parents money, going to uni at 20 is a mistake

What am I in denial about, nigga? I'm well aware of the agepill. Doesn't mean that i'm going to study some worthless degree I have no interest in just to be around muh foids and end up 10x worse afterwards, waging in retail because I can't find a job.

Your plan of being some oldcel going to nightclubs and house parties with 18 year olds isn't exactly a great one either. I went to college at 20 and even those 2 years made me feel way behind my highschool friends, who will be finishing their degrees this May.

 

[Finalcut123]

yeah if I waste 4 years studying this shit (in 2nd year now) and I end up in retail, i'm just going to rope. Maybe I should've done a business degree jfl.

I doubt AI will completely replace every codecel, but i'm worried that it will just be the top 20% nerds controlling it and fixing the few bugs it makes.
I know my place and that I wouldn't survive if the majority of codecels became redundant.

This is very likely going to be the scenario in most fields like Law, code, Copywriting, or even medicine. Not a complete wipeout, but only the top 20% surviving.

 

[johnsmithcel]

This is very likely going to be the scenario in most fields like Law, code, Copywriting, or even medicine. Not a complete wipeout, but only the top 20% surviving.

I think it'll be less so for medicine since if someone dies, a person will have to be responsible.

Whereas if there's a bug in your dating app for HIV+ 8 year olds, no one cares.

 

[Giorgio]

What am I in denial about, nigga? I'm well aware of the agepill. Doesn't mean that i'm going to study some worthless degree I have no interest in just to be around muh foids and end up 10x worse afterwards, waging in retail because I can't find a job.

Your plan of being some oldcel going to nightclubs and house parties with 18 year olds isn't exactly a great one either. I went to college at 20 and even those 2 years made me feel way behind my highschool friends, who will be finishing their degrees this May.

I don't care

believe what you want and live your life however tf you want to

 

[Dodevu]

It’s just Google on steroids, once software engineers get replaced by AI then I think we have bigger problems as majority of jobs will be replaced too.

But don’t worry - UBI is coming for everyone soon.

 

[eduardkoopman]

Most be afraid, something takes your jobby job.

You should wish, something takes your jobby job.

 

[johnsmithcel]

Bumo

 

[Alphacentauri5555]

I used to think so, but the I realized I was being stupid and it absolutely is not the case

AI does not create anything new, it only takes things already made and regurgitates it based on the input parameters
and the things it does are simply really fucking basic - look at the examples of what github copilot does

an AI will never:
- come up with a solution to a problem
- solve a bug
- utilize libraries that aren't extremely popular
- write a custom solution that fits your codebase exactly
- be able to orient itself in a massive codebase of a large scale complex application

so you will arrive at the point, where giving the AI the instructions will take more time than actually writing the code yourself, and still the code will be subpar

also, no-code, and low-code tools have been here for years - and still barely anyone uses them

at most, AI will replace the easiest and simplest tasks, just like low-code tools/wordpress have replaced people who made simple static HTML sites for local business


you should rope right now if you're studying software engineering when literally everything you need is for free and on the internet
you should rope right now if you're wasting your UNI experience in a fucking 90% male school

while its true that ai wont replace programmers for a very long time, humans are nothing special. we also dont create anything new, we just find patterns and use known concepts to solve problems, the better you are at that the more successful you become. we're nothing more than a bunch of neural networks. We don't create stuff out of the blue any more than AI does. It is theoretically possible to clone a humans brain into software so we also know that its no big problem to create an AI superior to humans. In a matter of mere decades we went from Inventing the Internet to having specialized AIs that are better suited than us for most fields.

what you said about software engineering and it being freely available on the internet:
youre right. but so is every other information you need for any degree. do you have experience in the field?

"an AI will never:
- come up with a solution to a problem
- solve a bug
- utilize libraries that aren't extremely popular
- write a custom solution that fits your codebase exactly
- be able to orient itself in a massive codebase of a large scale complex application"

Commercially available software such as chatgpt is already able to do:
point one, although only with detailed requests.
point two, it arguably does faster and nearly as well as average developers in most cases.
point three, also is checked with chatgpt
point four, it also writes and modifies the code with the exact variables and limitations you give it
point five, no it doesnt. but it will in a short time.

AI outcompeting us is not an "if", but "when". In comparison to us it doesnt have any spacial limitations and considering a handful of years ago youd be laughed at for suggesting an AI which can draw anything you describe to it being only a handful of years away people shouldnt go around saying "an AI will never".