Anyone that does HCG as part of a PCT instead of taking it on-cycle is a RETARD that deserves TESTICULAR ATROPHY

[Deleted member 23391]

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[incel194012940]

why

 

[Deleted member 23391]

why

Without the agonism of the LH receptor the testicles atrophy, the Leydig cells undergo apoptosis. There is no reason to take hCG after the steroid cycle has concluded. Roiders are paranoid that hCG will desensitize their testicles to it and that it will fry their testicles because of retarded theories even though it's never been documented in the medical literature at low doses, so they just let their testicles rot away and self-destruct on cycle then blast huge doses of hCG after the cycle that WILL desensitize the LH receptor.

 

[looksmaxxed]

imho clomid is a good replacement for hcg

 

[Deleted member 23391]

imho clomid is a good replacement for hcg

have you used it on-cycle? clomid or enclomiphene?

 

[Saint Casanova]

Would you suggest taking it during a sarm cycle as well ?

 

[Deleted member 23391]

Would you suggest taking it during a sarm cycle as well ?

Take enclomiphene along with it, there have been people on reddit that took it along with LGD or RAD and had minimal if any suppression.

 

[Saint Casanova]

Take enclomiphene along with it, there have been people on reddit that took it along with LGD or RAD and had minimal if any suppression.

What about s23? Or should I take a test base because it’s very strong ?

 

[Deleted member 23391]

What about s23? Or should I take a test base because it’s very strong ?

S23 is one of the most suppressive SARMs and was literally designed to be a male contraceptive. I would be a bit more wary of that one, I don't know if people posted S23+enclomiphene bloodwork like they have with LGD or RAD.

 

[thereallegend]

Take enclomiphene along with it, there have been people on reddit that took it along with LGD or RAD and had minimal if any suppression.

Where to get enclomiphene though

 

[Deleted member 23391]

Where to get enclomiphene though

receptorchem

 

[Saint Casanova]

S23 is one of the most suppressive SARMs and was literally designed to be a male contraceptive. I would be a bit more wary of that one, I don't know if people posted S23+enclomiphene bloodwork like they have with LGD or RAD.

Wtf is this shit that they’re recommending as a pct ??

 

[thereallegend]

receptorchem

why should I take the liquid version over a pill version

 

[Deleted member 23391]

why should I take the liquid version over a pill version

Because receptorchem is really the only reliable source for genuine enclomiphene at this point in time, to my knowledge.

 

[Saint Casanova]

Is it good to stack sarms ? Like this ?

 

[Dyorotic]

Without the agonism of the LH receptor the testicles atrophy, the Leydig cells undergo apoptosis. There is no reason to take hCG after the steroid cycle has concluded. Roiders are paranoid that hCG will desensitize their testicles to it and that it will fry their testicles because of retarded theories even though it's never been documented in the medical literature at low doses, so they just let their testicles rot away and self-destruct on cycle then blast huge doses of hCG after the cycle that WILL desensitize the LH receptor.

HCG actually induces a rather high and unbalanced ratio between 17-hydroxyprogesterone and testosterone which invariably leads to leydig cell desensitization over time. 20mg of tamoxifen alongside whatever hcg protocol seems to negate the estrogen-induced rise in 17-hydroxyprogesterone, though.

Take tamoxifen and nac every other day whilst blasting hcg and you'll be absolutely fine, regardless of the hcg dosage.

 

[Deleted member 23391]

HCG actually induces a rather high and unbalanced ratio between 17-hydroxyprogesterone and testosterone which invariably leads to leydig cell desensitization over time. 20mg of tamoxifen alongside whatever hcg protocol seems to negate the estrogen-induced rise in 17-hydroxyprogesterone, though.

Take tamoxifen and nac every other day whilst blasting hcg and you'll be absolutely fine, regardless of the hcg dosage.

But Tamoxifen causes oxidative stress and lipid peroxidation in mitochondria and has other undesirable side effects that make it unsuitable for long-term administration.

 

[Dyorotic]

But Tamoxifen causes oxidative stress in the mitochondria and has other undesirable side effects that make it unsuitable for long-term administration.

Well hcg will eventually lead to desensitization, it's well documented. Higher dosages just get you there quicker.

There are more than one pathway which leads to the desensitization anyway. N-acetyl-cysteine helps with oxidative stress caused by hcg and would probably aid in the stress caused by tamoxifen

 

[Saint Casanova]

HCG actually induces a rather high and unbalanced ratio between 17-hydroxyprogesterone and testosterone which invariably leads to leydig cell desensitization over time. 20mg of tamoxifen alongside whatever hcg protocol seems to negate the estrogen-induced rise in 17-hydroxyprogesterone, though.

Take tamoxifen and nac every other day whilst blasting hcg and you'll be absolutely fine, regardless of the hcg dosage.

So what happens if you stay on HCG indefinitely without taking tamoxifen ?

 

[Dyorotic]

So what happens if you stay on HCG indefinitely without taking tamoxifen ?

Who knows. Your pituitary will suffer greater than your leydig cells though

 

[Splinter901]

 

[Saint Casanova]

Who knows. Your pituitary will suffer greater than your leydig cells though

So why do TRT clinic offer HCG then? Isn’t it meant to be forever ?

 

[Dyorotic]

So why do TRT clinic offer HCG then? Isn’t it meant to be forever ?

Yes but at small dosages the data suggesting desensitization isn't clinically relevant

I only meant that there is many unique mechanisms that could potentially lead to desensitization, all of which can be negated if you're super paranoid about it.

 

[wollet2]

Yes but at small dosages the data suggesting desensitization isn't clinically relevant

I only meant that there is many unique mechanisms that could potentially lead to desensitization, all of which can be negated if you're super paranoid about it.

can i ask you sth, can you pm me please