Appeal mogs PSL

[T4deoIncel0s]

(WATER) Light triad fucks more than dark triad, go to appeal not to psl my grey.

 

[medialcanthus]

sybau

 

[Ralix]

broooo james saphire mogs chico psl is better then appeal

 

[T4deoIncel0s]

sybau

 

[T4deoIncel0s]

broooo james saphire mogs chico psl is better then appeal

exactly, james is appeal bro

 

[Schizoid39]

I agree with you and i find it retarded that people dont get this. Appeal is a mix of PSL and health indicators and facial harmony in general forgot the term for this but looking your age. If you change one of your features alot and it doesnt match with your other features you look uncanny asf likes James Sapphire. For example pre surgeries James looked more appealing because his features matched fairly well and he looked like he wasnt a alien and he looked like a normal kid. James also looked his age and was a prettyboy so he had far more appeal to foids his age than like 40 year old foids.

 

[copester2]

(WATER) Light triad fucks more than dark triad, go to appeal not to psl my grey.

i would rather be appeal>PSL bro and if you disagree your a grey

 

[drio]

(WATER) Light triad fucks more than dark triad, go to appeal not to psl my grey.

 

[Alexanderr]

Always has been. Your looks, for the most part, I think, should serve as a means to an end. PSL treats looks as the end in of itself, meanwhile appeal is what ultimately gets you what most people want outta their looks. External validation, romance, opportunity, etc.

 

[BigBallsLarry]

Always has been. Your looks, for the most part, I think, should serve as a means to an end. PSL treats looks as the end in of itself, meanwhile appeal is what ultimately gets you what most people want outta their looks. External validation, romance, opportunity, etc.

long time no see alexander

 

[Alexanderr]

long time no see alexander

JoinedJun 8, 2025
Brother, I don't think I've ever seen you before

 

[SlayerJonas]

Always has been. Your looks, for the most part, I think, should serve as a means to an end. PSL treats looks as the end in of itself, meanwhile appeal is what ultimately gets you what most people want outta their looks. External validation, romance, opportunity, etc.

What do you mean with this? PSL = facial attractiveness / appeal. They aren't counterparts

If something isn't appealing it isn't attractive

 

[Alexanderr]

What do you mean with this? PSL = facial attractiveness / appeal. They aren't counterparts

If something isn't appealing it isn't attractive

I wouldn't say so, there's lots of guys that would on a PSL scale, be placed very high but would have noticeably less appeal than a man lower on that scale. PSL really isn't equivalent to appeal and never has been in my opinion.

 

[BigBallsLarry]

JoinedJun 8, 2025
Brother, I don't think I've ever seen you before

you havent but i have

 

[Alexanderr]

What do you mean with this? PSL = facial attractiveness / appeal. They aren't counterparts

If something isn't appealing it isn't attractive

Take an Elias de Poot, for instance. On the PSL scale he'd rank noticeably higher compared with say a KJ Apa. Doesn't mean PSL would consider KJ Apa ugly; there's overlap there, but they're not equivalent. A KJ Apa would, in my opinion, see far more success in the real world when it comes to attracting everyday women.

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[SlayerJonas]

Take an Elias de Poot, for instance. On the PSL scale he'd rank noticeably higher compared with say a KJ Apa. Doesn't mean PSL would consider KJ Apa ugly; there's overlap there, but they're not equivalent. A KJ Apa would, in my opinion, see far more success in the real world when it comes to attracting everyday women.
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I think we're using different definitions then.

The "PSL scale" in my perspective just refers to objective beauty / facial attractiveness, whereby facial appeal means appealing to something e.g. humans in our context, which is the consequence of facial attractiveness. Overall appeal (not limited to the face) is the consequence of SMV in that sense.

Attracting women is about being the best option in terms of SMV (umbrella term for face, height, frame/muscles, etc.)

 

[Alexanderr]

I think we're using different definitions then.

The "PSL scale" in my perspective just refers to objective beauty / facial attractiveness, whereby facial appeal means appealing to something e.g. humans in our context, which is the consequence of facial attractiveness. Overall appeal (not limited to the face) is the consequence of SMV in that sense.

Attracting women is about being the best option in terms of SMV (umbrella term for face, height, frame/muscles, etc.)

We're definitely using different definitions, because yours seems to contradict itself.

When you say "objective beauty," my question is: objective to whom?

Beauty isn't a physical property of the universe like mass or charge. It's an experience that happens within an observer. This is precisely where the distinction between PSL and Appeal becomes crucial. They aren't the same because they are judged by different "observers" with different criteria.

The "PSL scale" is judged by a standard that values a niche, model-esque aesthetic, optimized for the context of photography and high fashion.
"Mass Appeal" is judged by the general public in real-world contexts, which values a much broader mix of traits, including warmth, harmony, and approachability.

So you're right, appeal is the consequence of attractiveness; but attractiveness according to which standard? Since the standards are different, the outcomes are different. That's why they aren't equivalent.

 

[2vi_ls]

(WATER) Light triad fucks more than dark triad, go to appeal not to psl my grey.

W-w-w-water???

 

[SlayerJonas]

We're definitely using different definitions, because yours seems to contradict itself.

When you say "objective beauty," my question is: objective to whom?

Beauty isn't a physical property of the universe like mass or charge. It's an experience that happens within an observer. This is precisely where the distinction between PSL and Appeal becomes crucial. They aren't the same because they are judged by different "observers" with different criteria.

The "PSL scale" is judged by a standard that values a niche, model-esque aesthetic, optimized for the context of photography and high fashion.
"Mass Appeal" is judged by the general public in real-world contexts, which values a much broader mix of traits, including warmth, harmony, and approachability.

So you're right, appeal is the consequence of attractiveness; but attractiveness according to which standard? Since the standards are different, the outcomes are different. That's why they aren't equivalent.

I see, we really meant different things with "PSL scale".

Regarding the facial attractiveness, objectivity implies universality, meaning there's some common denominator for all observers.

A caucasian male without growth deformities (big spectrum, includes downgrowth and other unattractive traits) would be the ideal base to expand on in terms of facial attractiveness. Beauty standards are based on this concept, if not then they don't depict beauty.

To break it down even further, we know that sexual attraction is entirely about looks. This means there's no way around objective parameters that determine attractiveness.

 

[alexias]

We're definitely using different definitions, because yours seems to contradict itself.

When you say "objective beauty," my question is: objective to whom?

Beauty isn't a physical property of the universe like mass or charge. It's an experience that happens within an observer. This is precisely where the distinction between PSL and Appeal becomes crucial. They aren't the same because they are judged by different "observers" with different criteria.

The "PSL scale" is judged by a standard that values a niche, model-esque aesthetic, optimized for the context of photography and high fashion.
"Mass Appeal" is judged by the general public in real-world contexts, which values a much broader mix of traits, including warmth, harmony, and approachability.

So you're right, appeal is the consequence of attractiveness; but attractiveness according to which standard? Since the standards are different, the outcomes are different. That's why they aren't equivalent.

The forum is so high iq whenever alexander hops on org

 

[Futura]

It's like food

It has objective properties but people may occasionaly percieve them differently

We can still find the ideal properties

Like most people like pizza

Some people may disagree on how it tastes but the majority like it

Subhuman is like shit

No one likes to eat it

 

[Alexanderr]

I see, we really meant different things with "PSL scale".

Regarding the facial attractiveness, objectivity implies universality, meaning there's some common denominator for all observers.

A caucasian male without growth deformities (big spectrum, includes downgrowth and other unattractive traits) would be the ideal base to expand on in terms of facial attractiveness. Beauty standards are based on this concept, if not then they don't depict beauty.

To break it down even further, we know that sexual attraction is entirely about looks. This means there's no way around objective parameters that determine attractiveness.

Okay, that clarifies things. We were definitely talking past each other.

I agree there's a universal baseline. A face without significant growth deformities is fundamentally healthier and thus has a higher floor for attractiveness. We're in complete agreement there.

But that baseline is the foundation, not the finished house.

The absence of ugliness is not the same as the presence of beauty. The "PSL scale" isn't a measure of the foundation; it's a judgment of a very specific, niche architectural style, idk let's call it brutalism. It's striking, technically demanding, and celebrated by a specific school of thought.

Mass appeal, on the other hand, is the measure of how many people would actually want to live in the house. This can include many architectural styles; modern, classic, rustic. All are built on a solid foundation, but they are not the same.

The brutalist building (PSL) isn't inherently "better" or more successful than the beautiful classic villa (Appeal), especially not to the general public.

 

[Snoofy]

JoinedJun 8, 2025
Brother, I don't think I've ever seen you before

Long time no see

 

[T4deoIncel0s]

W-w-w-water???

fr

 

[T4deoIncel0s]

What do you mean with this? PSL = facial attractiveness / appeal. They aren't counterparts

If something isn't appealing it isn't attractive

just look at de pott, psl but no appeal

 

[T4deoIncel0s]

i would rather be appeal>PSL bro and if you disagree your a grey

bro i said that