Are 5mm BSSO advcancement worth for pure aesthetics?

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I can get max. 5mm mandible advancement by doing BSSO. Is it enough to see noticeable changes? Otherwise I need extractions for more advancement. Lefort I is not an option since my occlusal plane is flat and I dont want to be dogmaxxed and fuk up my nose.

Im not hardcore recessed +I already had Genioplasty.
 
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Ask your surgeon to show you computer projections of what you’d look like post-surgery. 5mm is not nothing, some genioplasty procedures only advance the chin by that much. But ask your surgeon about the risk of relapse as well. Say you move the bone 5mm, the soft tissue may only come forward by 4mm, and then after relapse in a few years maybe your final result ends up being just 2.5-3mm of soft tissue advancement. These are questions to ask the surgeon. Being in braces sucks so I don’t blame you for wanting to avoid extractions.
 
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i dont think is worth it
 
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How do extractions get you more advancement without LF1?

Do you have a horrible class 2 overbite?
 
How do extractions get you more advancement without LF1?

Do you have a horrible class 2 overbite?
I never understood why u need to extract teeth for bigger advancements

can u elab, i’m low iq
 
How do extractions get you more advancement without LF1?

Do you have a horrible class 2 overbite?
I never understood why u need to extract teeth for bigger advancements

can u elab, i’m low iq
Two lower premolars (1 on each side) gets removed. The teeth gets pushed back to close the gap and to create a bigger overjet which gives more bsso advancement. If I had an horrible class II bite I wouldnt need extractions because there would be enough overjet. Its the other way around. I have a slight class II bite and need a bigger overjet for movement


Basically like here but only with lower premolars + BSSO:

 
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I never understood why u need to extract teeth for bigger advancements

can u elab, i’m low iq
if your lower jaw is very small, it cannot make a big movement without giving you an underbite. Therefore, 2 teeth in the lower jaw are usually extracted so that the tooth can be moved to the back and the surgeon can then perform a larger advancement
 
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I always thought the extractions were to physically make space for the BSSO cut.

So in fact, this extraction mainly gains you chin projection as you are moving the teeth back relative to the chin.

It seems to me, that you’d get the similar results with a genioplasty + a smaller BSSO and get to keep your teeth.

But it might actually be cheaper just to do the extractions. Do you actually need more chin projection if you already had genio once?
 
So in fact, this extraction mainly gains you chin projection as you are moving the teeth back relative to the chin.
The aim is not to give chin projection but to create an overjet to increase the bsso advancement. The chin doesnt get vertical / horicontal projection through extractions.

Do you actually need more chin projection if you already had genio once?
No I need jaw projection. My whole lower third is recessed.
 
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Any other opinions?
 
Well I’ve mentioned this before, but I’m getting a second genioplasty surgery next month to try to get more mandible projection. BSSO was off the table due to me being botched by my orthodontist….I haven’t seen any double genio cases online so I guess I’m the guniea pig. But ask your surgeon if that’s an option for you. I’ll share my results once I have them.
 
Well I’ve mentioned this before, but I’m getting a second genioplasty surgery next month to try to get more mandible projection. BSSO was off the table due to me being botched by my orthodontist….I haven’t seen any double genio cases online so I guess I’m the guniea pig. But ask your surgeon if that’s an option for you. I’ll share my results once I have them.
How did your ortho botch you
 
How did your ortho botch you
He said he was preparing me for surgery but then when I was ‘ready’ the oral surgeon saw that he couldn’t advance my jaw given the way my ortho did it. Basically, make sure your ortho and oral surgeon are constantly communicating. See your oral surgeon for checkups regularly.
 
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He said he was preparing me for surgery but then when I was ‘ready’ the oral surgeon saw that he couldn’t advance my jaw given the way my ortho did it. Basically, make sure your ortho and oral surgeon are constantly communicating. See your oral surgeon for checkups regularly.
That’s fucking unfortunate man, so many orthos are piece of shit retards
 
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if your lower jaw is very small, it cannot make a big movement without giving you an underbite. Therefore, 2 teeth in the lower jaw are usually extracted so that the tooth can be moved to the back and the surgeon can then perform a larger advancement
Two lower premolars (1 on each side) gets removed. The teeth gets pushed back to close the gap and to create a bigger overjet which gives more bsso advancement.
Doesnt mandible addapt the dental changes with time?
 
basically
but u put in titanium plates for extra bone. What other option is there? Even if you lose bone it doesn’t matter u had more bone than before
 
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Probably worth it. If it's BSSO + genioplasty that's even better.
 
but u put in titanium plates for extra bone. What other option is there? Even if you lose bone it doesn’t matter u had more bone than before
i know but wouldnt the bone loss/recession until the surgery cuck our final results by hindering the advancement with the added recession prior to surgery?
I guess the limited time from extractions until surgery doesnt allow for bone loss...
 
i know but wouldnt the bone loss/recession until the surgery cuck our final results by hindering the advancement with the added recession prior to surgery?
I guess the limited time from extractions until surgery doesnt allow for bone loss...
wisdom or premolar extractions btw? also nah tbh u will lose some bone but it’s usually to create a bigger overbite or something similar for then a larger advancement. Idk tho but u end up better than before. just calcium and vitamin d3 max to prevent bone loss ig
 
but u put in titanium plates for extra bone. What other option is there? Even if you lose bone it doesn’t matter u had more bone than before
Yes it does matter lol, premolar extractions and the resulting bone loss can completely fuck up your face and make it look flat asf
 
Yes it does matter lol, premolar extractions and the resulting bone loss can completely fuck up your face and make it look flat asf
That is my fear when choosing extractions + BSSO route, although I have talked to a few people who have also extracted 2 lower premolars and have not observed any negative effects on the face. I think it depends on the person and of course the number of teeth that are extracted (some people get 4 or even more teeth extracted).
 
That is my fear when choosing extractions + BSSO route, although I have talked to a few people who have also extracted 2 lower premolars and have not observed any negative effects on the face. I think it depends on the person and of course the number of teeth that are extracted (some people get 4 or even more teeth extracted).
I was referring to maxilla premolars, not mandible. Idk if it would really impact the mandible tbh.

Can't you just get bone grafting with it?
 
Yes it does matter lol, premolar extractions and the resulting bone loss can completely fuck up your face and make it look flat asf
talking about when getting extractions for jaw surgery after. Ur not gonna have a flatter face than before
 
I was referring to maxilla premolars, not mandible. Idk if it would really impact the mandible tbh.

Can't you just get bone grafting with it?
Yes I think maxilla extractions are way worse from what I´ve seen.

What do you mean with bone grafting? They would push the fronth teeth back to close the gap after premolar extractions to create an bigger overjet for BSSO advancement.

talking about when getting extractions for jaw surgery after. Ur not gonna have a flatter face than before
Yes


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I found 2 cases of 5mm BSSO (one with genio). I think that the change is pretty noticeable (my recession was pretty similar before I had genio).



 
You will or won’t have a flatter midface?
From what I have read the BSSO advancement overweights negative impact from lower premolar extractions + LOWER premolar extractions dont seem to be as bad for the face, e.g. creating flat face, as UPPER extractions.
 
From what I have read the BSSO advancement overweights negative impact from lower premolar extractions.
What about upper extractions + lefort
 
I can get max. 5mm mandible advancement by doing BSSO. Is it enough to see noticeable changes? Otherwise I need extractions for more advancement. Lefort I is not an option since my occlusal plane is flat and I dont want to be dogmaxxed and fuk up my nose.

Im not hardcore recessed +I already had Genioplasty.
Depends if you want to be a a normie or a chad
 
I can get max. 5mm mandible advancement by doing BSSO. Is it enough to see noticeable changes? Otherwise I need extractions for more advancement. Lefort I is not an option since my occlusal plane is flat and I dont want to be dogmaxxed and fuk up my nose.

Im not hardcore recessed +I already had Genioplasty.
What did you end up doing?
 

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