are premolar extractions always bad

[Suns9999]

like what if the case scenario is a palate expander isn’t applicable for your case and your teeth are extremely crowded because your jaw is too small to fit all the teeth so you get all 4 premolars removed: 2 top, 2 bottom, and then you close the gaps with braces. is the end result of this always desirable. i think some people have no choice but to go down this route

 

[RecessedCels]

Well there's a high chance you're gonna be just fine

 

[notalive]

They're not bad if you're getting them before bimax

Otherwise yes they will recess you

 

[Deleted member 91545]

How is a palate expander not applicable? Not enough time?

 

[Suns9999]

Well there's a high chance you're gonna be just fine

i think in my case i ended up fine, my maxilla isn’t recessed (i don’t think), but this site is making me have second thoughts because i always see them advocating for no extractions for braces and slandering any orthos that do so

 

[Suns9999]

How is a palate expander not applicable? Not enough time?

if your teeth are crowded on top and bottom then isn’t applicable because i don’t think you can use a palate expander for your lower jaw

 

[RecessedCels]

i think in my case i ended up fine, my maxilla isn’t recessed (i don’t think), but this site is making me have second thoughts because i always see them advocating for no extractions for braces and slandering any orthos that do so

It's obviously worse than not having extractions but it ain't that deep

 

[greycel]

i think in my case i ended up fine, my maxilla isn’t recessed (i don’t think), but this site is making me have second thoughts because i always see them advocating for no extractions for braces and slandering any orthos that do so

Send me your side profile bro

Also not only does it recces your jaws (depends when you got them done tbh), they also reduce bone mass and introduce more asymmetry

 

[Deleted member 91545]

if your teeth are crowded on top and bottom then isn’t applicable because i don’t think you can use a palate expander for your lower jaw

Thought lower jaw moved with upper jaw no?

 

[greycel]

It's obviously worse than not having extractions but it ain't that deep

People notice asymmetry and bone loss from 1 extraction that is not even a premolar

Now imagine you had this in early puberty, you've been fucked hard

Then realise it was 4 premolar extractions done, not 1 normal tooth

 

[Deleted member 91545]

Thought lower jaw moved with upper jaw no?

Nvm lol

 

[Suns9999]

Thought lower jaw moved with upper jaw no?

nah it only moves the side you put it on

 

[Deleted member 91545]

People notice asymmetry from 1 extraction that is not even a premolar

Now imagine you had this in early puberty, you've been fucked hard

Then realise it was 4 premolar extractions done, not 1 normal tooth

I had my canines pulled and im fairly certain ive developed nasolabial folds from it/ worse under eye support

 

[Suns9999]

Send me your side profile bro

Also not only does it recces your jaws (depends when you got them done tbh), they also reduce bone mass and introduce more asymmetry

i recently got my top ones down because i got the bottom ones taken out years ago but never finished the “treatment” so didn’t really have much of a choice but sure i’ll send you my profile in the morning

 

[Suns9999]

I had my canines pulled and im fairly certain ive developed nasolabial folds from it/ worse under eye support

canines is crazy, how the fuck do you chew food

 

[greycel]

I had my canines pulled and im fairly certain ive developed nasolabial folds from it/ worse under eye support

Perhaps it has been detrimental
Canines are important yes

They're far less important than premolars for developing jaw as if you think intuitively most pressure is exerted from the back teeth

But nevertheless it has definitely had some effect
Likely has contributed to nsf

 

[Deleted member 83942]

People notice asymmetry and bone loss from 1 extraction that is not even a premolar

Now imagine you had this in early puberty, you've been fucked hard

Then realise it was 4 premolar extractions done, not 1 normal tooth

Yeah and also almost everyone thats had extractions getss tmjs later in life its not worth it at all unless you actually brutally need it jewish orthos just love stealing teeth

 

[Suns9999]

Yeah and also almost everyone thats had extractions getss tmjs later in life its not worth it at all unless you actually brutally need it jewish orthos just love stealing teeth

so you mean to tell me there’s never been any such case where premolar extractions have been beneficial for any party

 

[Deleted member 91545]

canines is crazy, how the fuck do you chew food

The weird thing it was my baby canines because i dont have any adult ones but they were still in it at my old age but still the dentist was like nope u gotta pull them buddy so i did
And it does actually cause a struggle to chew lol i wanna get implants but im a pooron

 

[Suns9999]

Perhaps it has been detrimental
Canines are important yes

They're far less important than premolars for developing jaw as if you think intuitively most pressure is exerted from the back teeth

But nevertheless it has definitely had some effect
Likely has contributed to nsf

i need a drink bro, this is so brutal. i fucking despise my parents and yours for not thinking shit over before making a final decision

 

[greycel]

so you mean to tell me there’s never been any such case where premolar extractions have been beneficial for any party

You're working against nature
The extent to which is very very great, especially the earlier you get them

 

[Suns9999]

The weird thing it was my baby canines because i dont have any adult ones but they were still in it at my old age but still the dentist was like nope u gotta pull them buddy so i did
And it does actually cause a struggle to chew lol i wanna get implants but im a pooron

i feel more sympathy for you than that thread someone made about a 10 year old kid that killed himself over his looks

 

[Deleted member 83942]

so you mean to tell me there’s never been any such case where premolar extractions have been beneficial for any party

It helps orthos created more space and therefore correct any malocclusions and misalingment helping to create that perfect smile

But the problem is that quite frankly if you have crowded teeth its probably because of another issue (e.g. mandibular, maxilla, alveolar)

Not an expert though this is just what Ive gathered

 

[Deleted member 91545]

i feel more sympathy for you than that thread someone made about a 10 year old kid that killed himself over his looks

Aw poor kiddo

 

[greycel]

i need a drink bro, this is so brutal. i fucking despise my parents and yours for not thinking shit over before making a final decision

Don't blame them bro
They are bluepilled

I was angry at them too but the real people we should divert this to are those Ortho rats who knew this stuff all along but didn't care just to make a few bucks off us

I'm not even kidding, my Ortho was Jewish. I remember him telling the Asian assistant with him that he was going to the synagogue after the shift

 

[Deleted member 91545]

It helps orthos created more space and therefore correct any malocclusions and misalingment helping to create that perfect smile

But the problem is that quite frankly if you have crowded teeth its probably because of another issue (e.g. mandibular, maxilla, alveolar)

Not an expert though this is just what Ive gathered

If you have crowded teeth it means you have a smaller jaw and need expansion

 

[Deleted member 83942]

If you have crowded teeth it means you have a smaller jaw and need expansion

Yeah pretty much but expanders are lowk useless sadly and downright dangerous so only way to fix it either some sort of lefort or bsso or some type of SAO and corticonomy procedure still researching that

 

[Deleted member 91545]

Yeah pretty much but expanders are lowk useless sadly and downright dangerous so only way to fix it either some sort of lefort or bsso or some type of SAO and corticonomy procedure still researching that

Why are expanders dangerous? I had one help me when i was younger and its likely the reason im not a complete subhuman with 8 removed teeth now

 

[Deleted member 83942]

Why are expanders dangerous? I had one help me when i was younger and its likely the reason im not a complete subhuman with 8 removed teeth now

Yeah I meant post puberty sorry its very much effective pre and during it. After the bones sutures have sealed the likelyhood of assymetries and other problems happening is 100x greater

 

[Suns9999]

Don't blame them bro
They are bluepilled

I was angry at them too but the real people we should divert this to are those Ortho rats who knew this stuff all along but didn't care just to make a few bucks off us

I'm not even kidding, my Ortho was Jewish. I remember him telling the Asian assistant with him that he was going to the synagogue after the shift

nigga fuck them jews !!!

 

[RecessedCels]

People notice asymmetry and bone loss from 1 extraction that is not even a premolar

Now imagine you had this in early puberty, you've been fucked hard

Then realise it was 4 premolar extractions done, not 1 normal tooth

Well 4 is just outrageous . 1-2 won't fuck you up if it's late puberty

 

[Deleted member 83942]

Well 4 is just outrageous . 1-2 won't fuck you up if it's late puberty

jaw structure does change from any tooth extraction due to stem cell remodeling thats the reality

 

[Deleted member 91545]

View attachment 3378058 jaw structure does change from any tooth extraction due to stem cell remodeling thats the reality

Lowkey looks better in the after tho lol

 

[Deleted member 83942]

Lowkey looks better in the after tho lol

Yeah worked for him because it improved his weird face shape but its just to illustrate the point that your jaw structure will change and probably for the worst if you dont have that weird face shape

 

[lurking truecel]

Yeah worked for him because it improved his weird face shape but its just to illustrate the point that your jaw structure will change and probably for the worst if you dont have that weird face shape

How you know that's from teeth extractions ? And what teeth's ?

 

[lurking truecel]

If you need teeth extraction you should do it, more bone will reabsorbed from impacting teeth. Could use sfot if not MSE works also, it's always better to not extract teeth but of you dont have the money to create space yäthan take them out