Are you manipulative?

[RAITEIII]

Explain why.

 

[Lecherous]

This is really heartbreaking. Everyone has always said I am extremely manipulative. Even my own family and people I thought were my friends and my ex girlfriend. They hardly give any reasons why and I don't get it. I literally have no idea what they're talking about.
I think I'm the most honest and genuine guy around.

 

[Lecherous]

This is really heartbreaking. Everyone has always said I am extremely manipulative. Even my own family and people I thought were my friends and my ex girlfriend. They hardly give any reasons why and I don't get it. I literally have no idea what they're talking about.
I think I'm the honest and genuine guy around.

Probably gaslighters apart of some kind of mass gangstalking or mind manipulation.

 

[Moggie]

no I dont have that drive to get ahead or for control that manipulative people have

 

[Deleted member 21182]

This is really heartbreaking. Everyone has always said I am extremely manipulative. Even my own family and people I thought were my friends and my ex girlfriend. They hardly give any reasons why and I don't get it. I literally have no idea what they're talking about.
I think I'm the most honest and genuine guy around.

Ur a narcissistic sociopath who's trying to trick the whole forum

 

[Lecherous]

Ur a narcissistic sociopath who's trying to trick the whole forum

Why do people always say this about me? It's literally the furthest thing from the truth. What have I ever done that would make you or anyone else suspect that?

 

[Deleted member 23115]

nah im too aspie, lying makes me cringe hard i also dislike forcing people to do anything

 

[Deleted member 21182]

Why do people always say this about me? It's literally the furthest thing from the truth. What have I ever done that would make you or anyone else suspect that?

What ur saying is what u want people to think about u, that's why u claim it's the furthest thing

 

[Lecherous]

What ur saying is what u want people to think about u, that's why u claim it's the furthest thing

Just because I'm innocent and proclaim my innocence doesn't automatically mean I'm questionable.

 

[Deleted member 23115]

idc about people who are manipulative situationally but people who do it 24/7 are so fucking annoying ngl you never know the real them

 

[RAITEIII]

Why do people always say this about me? It's literally the furthest thing from the truth. What have I ever done that would make you or anyone else suspect that?

What ur saying is what u want people to think about u, that's why u claim it's the furthest thing

Marvelous demonstration

 

[Lecherous]

Marvelous demonstration

Don't tell me you believe that niggas bullshit?

 

[Deleted member 21182]

Marvelous demonstration

Exactly that's what all sociopaths/psychopaths want u to think they're always acting like the most empathetic and loving person ik well since i was diagnosed with antisocial disorder and so is my mother

 

[Deleted member 21182]

Exactly that's what all sociopaths/psychopaths want u to think they're always acting like the most empathetic and loving person ik well since i was diagnosed with antisocial disorder and so is my mother

I will never let anyone know I'm cold and don't care about anyone in public i act like a loving person who couldn't even kill a fly this is the only place I admit it cause there's no point in hiding it here

 

[Gonthar]

I've tried, I've read many psychology books and dark triad manuals of manipulating and controlling people, but I've had very little success, it all boils down to your looks/status/money, can you even imagine a short, bald, Indian janitor manipulating people, I mean no one gives a shit or what he says or thinks...

 

[Deleted member 23115]

Exactly that's what all sociopaths/psychopaths want u to think they're always acting like the most empathetic and loving person ik well since i was diagnosed with antisocial disorder and so is my mother

sociopaths dont psychopaths maybe some but not all tbh they can just not care enough about anything at a certain point

 

[Deleted member 21182]

sociopaths dont psychopaths maybe some but not all tbh they can just not care enough about anything at a certain point

Both are known for manipulation tho that's why they'd keep it a secret especially sociopaths since they're the ones known for manipulating people

 

[Deleted member 23115]

I will never let anyone know I'm cold and don't care about anyone in public i act like a loving person who couldn't even kill a fly this is the only place I admit it cause there's no point in hiding it here

u got diagnosed with anti social pd? did u by any chance aggravate the person who diagnosed u or they looked at ur history

 

[Deleted member 23115]

Both are known for manipulation tho that's why they'd keep it a secret especially sociopaths since they're the ones known for manipulating people

yes but sociopaths dont care about fitting in as much theres a reason theyre suicidal and bipolar

 

[Niklaus Mikaelson]

Explain why.

I don't think so, took a test a year ago and unless I manipulated myself to get a different result I don't believe I am

 

[Deleted member 21182]

u got diagnosed with anti social pd? did u by any chance aggravate the person who diagnosed u

That's what my psychologist told my parents only one of them found out it's nearly impossible to find out but this one dude did and that's when i also found out for sure also autism level 1 so that kinda limits my manipulation skills since I'm autistic and can't talk well to people so I'm kinda a beta sociopath who can't really use this to my advantage in dating or friendships etc. But basically i have to find out rather the person is a good manipulation target based on how emotionally strong they are and that's all done in my subconscious as a kid I'd get whatever i wanted from people nowadays I'm Strange

 

[Tusseleif]

I just lie when it benefits me

 

[Deleted member 21182]

yes but sociopaths dont care about fitting in as much theres a reason theyre suicidal and bipolar

Well yeah but most sociapaths like Me still have the minimum amount of empathy just not as much as normal people i care for my family a little but am put myself before anyone as all antisocials do

 

[Deleted member 20370]

no, just very indecisive.

 

[RAITEIII]

Both are known for manipulation tho that's why they'd keep it a secret especially sociopaths since they're the ones known for manipulating people

Whats your personal differentiation between sociopath and psychopath.

From the get go it sounds to me as if a psychopath is someone who would be more inclined to certain crimes or fucked up thing. However that's uneducated guess.

Do you ever feel guilt when you do something wrong? Do you actually seek doing wrong things?

 

[Deleted member 21182]

Whats your personal differentiation between sociopath and psychopath.

From the get go it sounds to me as if a psychopath is someone who would be more inclined to certain crimes or fucked up thing. However that's uneducated guess.

Do you ever feel guilt when you do something wrong? Do you actually seek doing wrong things?

Psychopaths are born that way sociopaths are made i had a really bad childhood and that's probably why, also sociopaths aren't completely cold and careless just wayyyy less than ur avarage person, the reason i think op is a sociopath is because ik exactly what it's like when people find out ur manipulating them and call it out some people are emotionally strong and hard to manipulate but i always throw the oh I'm a loving human being card just like OP so maybe it's a coincidence or he's actually a sociopath, as a sociopath you don't know it's wrong to manipulate people it's done in ur subconscious half the time i don't even know I'm doing anyone harm my morals are totally different

 

[Deleted member 23115]

That's what my psychologist told my parents only one of them found out it's nearly impossible to find out but this one dude did and that's when i also found out for sure also autism level 1 so that kinda limits my manipulation skills since I'm autistic and can't talk well to people so I'm kinda a beta sociopath who can't really use this to my advantage in dating or friendships etc. But basically i have to find out rather the person is a good manipulation target based on how emotionally strong they are and that's all done in my subconscious as a kid I'd get whatever i wanted from people nowadays I'm Strange

everyone does this ngl

 

[RAITEIII]

I've tried, I've read many psychology books and dark triad manuals of manipulating and controlling people, but I've had very little success, it all boils down to your looks/status/money, can you even imagine a short, bald, Indian janitor manipulating people, I mean no one gives a shit or what he says or thinks...

In my observation people are more likely to consider what someone else has to say or think when said messenger have a reasonably equal or higher value than them.

It's true the indian janitor is at disadvantage and doesn't have power with regular people , but other indian janitors will listen. This is to say that a "normie" sociopath/psychopath , among many other normies can definitely have a chance at doing some stuff.
Or I go even further, people who have very dogmatic religions like islam. It's very easy for a muslim to manipulate another muslim regardless of looks, because according to quran "when a muslim asks for help you cannot deny it if you can do it". Or stuff such as, I couldn't have done this, it's not truth, I'm muslim and muslim can't do this and that and yada yada. So they get away so anything.


someone's good looks is a highly valuable access that CANNOT be accessed by everyone. Any person with a regular brain, if for example see a stacy and they know they can't be a thing, won't be influenced by her more than with any other normie. Of course many people are retarded. But technically unless you are going to fuck or date someone their looks are pretty much useless to you.

 

[RAITEIII]

Psychopaths are born that way sociopaths are made i had a really bad childhood and that's probably why, also sociopaths aren't completely cold and careless just wayyyy less than ur avarage person, the reason i think op is a sociopath is because ik exactly what it's like when people find out ur manipulating them and call it out some people are emotionally strong and hard to manipulate but i always throw the oh I'm a loving human being card just like OP so maybe it's a coincidence or he's actually a sociopath, as a sociopath you don't know it's wrong to manipulate people it's done in ur subconscious half the time i don't even know I'm doing anyone harm my morals are totally different

That guy you were responding was trolling if I'm not mistaken.

How do you think a psychopath would respond to being called out/exposed compared to the explanation u just gave about a sociopaths behaviour

 

[Gonthar]

It's true the indian janitor is at disadvantage and doesn't have power with regular people , but other indian janitors will listen.

If that janitor is tall, robust, NT, etc. others will respect and listen to him, if he's short, scrawny, ugly, awkward, etc., he'll most likely be the butt of all jokes.

It's very easy for a muslim to manipulate another muslim regardless of looks, because according to quran "when a muslim asks for help you cannot deny it if you can do it".

Yeah, this stuff doesn't work either, I tried it several times in a similar context and people were like: "Yeah, but this stuff wasn't referring to you, it was in this very specific context, so bla bla bla...". Many religious people use religion as a justification, only when it benefits them, but when you try to use it to gain something out of them, they immediately turn around and come up with all sorts of excuses to refuse you.

 

[Prettyboy]

Yes I am, especially in relationships. Probably has to do with being raised by a single mother, I’ve learnt my ways while I was a kid

 

[Deleted member 21863]

It works online atleast

 

[RAITEIII]

If that janitor is tall, robust, NT, etc. others will respect and listen to him, if he's short, scrawny, ugly, awkward, etc., he'll most likely be the butt of all jokes.

Yeah, this stuff doesn't work either, I tried it several times in a similar context and people were like: "Yeah, but this stuff wasn't referring to you, it was in this very specific context, so bla bla bla...". Many religious people use religion as a justification, only when it benefits them, but when you try to use it to gain something out of them, they immediately turn around and come up with all sorts of excuses to refuse you.

I could go down to my personal experiences but I wont get into that territory. What you say and what I say can be both possibilities.

 

[RAITEIII]

Yes I am, especially in relationships. Probably has to do with being raised by a single mother, I’ve learnt my ways while I was a kid

Honest question: would you say you lack male values?

 

[Prettyboy]

Honest question: would you say you lack male values?

What would you say male values are?