At what ESR should an OBO be considered?

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[Crowsmagnon]

is it not mostly cosmetic unless you're genuinely deformed? at which point its needed?

 

[Perfectiοn]

below .42 and above .49 imo

i think its not solely based on what the ideal esr is since obo is such an invasive surgery

in the same way that even tho the lower end of the ideal height is around 5'10, one shouldnt consider LL if theyre below 5'10 and should only consider it around below 5'7 if that makes sense

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Im doing it for my 61mm IPD, hopefully.

I want to get to 65mm IPD with 33mm ICD

 

[VampyrMaxx]

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[Perfectiοn]

Im doing it for my 61mm IPD, hopefully.

I want to get to 65mm IPD with 33mm ICD

whats ur esr

 

[m0ss26]

below .42 and above .49 imo

i think its not solely based on what the ideal esr is since obo is such an invasive surgery

in the same way that even tho the lower end of the ideal height is around 5'10, one shouldnt consider LL if theyre below 5'10 and should only consider it around below 5'7 if that makes sense

Mine is .42 but unfortunately I can never get it

Brutally cucked

 

[VampyrMaxx]

whats ur esr

61mm IPD 147mm BZW

 

[Perfectiοn]

Mine is .42 but unfortunately I can never get it

Brutally cucked

theres a lot of ways to fraud it and make it less noticeable so u should be good

 

[m0ss26]

theres a lot of ways to fraud it and make it less noticeable so u should be good

My eyebrows are insanely thick, long and well shaped so it helps a little

What ways are there to fraud? If I didn’t have cyclops syndrome and had slightly less UEE I’d easily be HTN

 

[Deleted member 253353]

I mean iv seen some rare cases of very handsome men with an esr as low as 42.3, but that’s because they have things like a compact midface and maxilla and long pfl/orbitals with other things like long eyebrows, but generally for such a wild surgery it would have to be deformed tier and not a general flaw like other surgeries fix. So id say anything under 41.9

For now just grow a longer hairstyle and grow your lashes and brows as long as possible

Overall skull size affects how esr is perceived, an example is zayn mailk. He has a very small skull which makes his very low esr look normal

 

[Sicilian Cyclops]

61mm IPD 147mm BZW

what's your pfl brah

 

[Perfectiοn]

My eyebrows are insanely thick, long and well shaped so it helps a little

What ways are there to fraud? If I didn’t have cyclops syndrome and had slightly less UEE I’d easily be HTN

IPD/ES RATIO/EME ANGLE is borderline meaningless for harmony

IPD, ESRATIO and EME angle have a moderate impact at best on facial harmony. There are other major factors that impact the impression we get conscerning the eyes spacing on someones face, mostly EYEBROW SPACING and NASAL BRIDGE/NASION DEFINITION. I saw alot of people wondering how someone with...

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this thread is good and explains some frauding methods that u could do

 

[Perfectiοn]

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thanks for the solution btw

hope my answer was helpful

 

[VampyrMaxx]

what's your pfl brah

Depends on photo due to my drooping whitnalls tubercle and scleral show.

I think im supposed to have thin almond eyes but they got messed up due to recession

 

[m0ss26]

IPD/ES RATIO/EME ANGLE is borderline meaningless for harmony

IPD, ESRATIO and EME angle have a moderate impact at best on facial harmony. There are other major factors that impact the impression we get conscerning the eyes spacing on someones face, mostly EYEBROW SPACING and NASAL BRIDGE/NASION DEFINITION. I saw alot of people wondering how someone with...

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this thread is good and explains some frauding methods that u could do

How to get more nasion definition? Is there even a way

Also thanks for being helpful my nigga

 

[Perfectiοn]

How to get more nasion definition? Is there even a way

Also thanks for being helpful my nigga

More nasion definition would make the eyes seem closer set so that’s not what you’d want to do given that your eyes are close set.

What you’d wanna do is either slim down or slightly shave down the nasion to make it project less. You can do this via rhinoplasty.

 

[m0ss26]

More nasion definition would make the eyes seem closer set so that’s not what you’d want to do given that your eyes are close set.

What you’d wanna do is either slim down or slightly shave down the nasion to make it project less. You can do this via rhinoplasty.

I already got rhino and it helped make it project slightly less but fuck I wish I would’ve known to tell my surgeon

Oh well, I’m a fighter so it’s bound to be broken anyway

 

[Perfectiοn]

below .42 and above .49 imo

i think its not solely based on what the ideal esr is since obo is such an invasive surgery

in the same way that even tho the lower end of the ideal height is around 5'10, one shouldnt consider LL if theyre below 5'10 and should only consider it around below 5'7 if that makes sense

@valentine do u disagree?

 

[valentine]

@valentine do u disagree?

yes, some surgeries arent worth getting and obo is one of them. esr is almost irrelevant if the rest of eye area is fully maxxed out

 

[Perfectiοn]

yes, some surgeries arent worth getting and obo is one of them. esr is almost irrelevant if the rest of eye area is fully maxxed out

yea u have a good point tbh

esr and ipd is one of those measurements that i still cant fully understand even after looking into it for a while and reading multiple threads about it

the reason being the fact that 2 people with similar esr can look extremely different one looking like a cyclops and the other looking completely normal (assuming they have close set eyes)

i know theres ways to fraud it but i feel like some people's eyes will still look close or wide set even after attempting to fraud it especially if its over/under the ideal by a lot

maybe a better answer would be under .39 and above .52? cuz at that point its pretty much death tier and no amount of frauding can rly save u, but yea i agree obo is still not rly worth it and i personally wouldnt do it even if my esr was death tier.

 

[valentine]

yea u have a good point tbh

esr and ipd is one of those measurements that i still cant fully understand even after looking into it for a while and reading multiple threads about it

the reason being the fact that 2 people with similar esr can look extremely different one looking like a cyclops and the other looking completely normal (assuming they have close set eyes)

i know theres ways to fraud it but i feel like some people's eyes will still look close or wide set even after attempting to fraud it especially if its over/under the ideal by a lot

maybe a better answer would be under .39 and above .52? cuz at that point its pretty much death tier and no amount of frauding can rly save u, but yea i agree obo is still not rly worth it and i personally wouldnt do it even if my esr was death tier.

eye color and contrast is very important for close set, dark eye color + close spacing is what creates the retarded beady eye look
also you need eyebrows that extend way past the outer eye corners and you need hair that properly frames the face
yes, i think under 39 above 51 is where it can start looking very subhuman
if everything else is fully maxxed out wide set can look ethereal or alien in a good way and close can look striking
chase crawford esr is horrible yet foids always talk about how pretty his eyes are

 

[Perfectiοn]

eye color and contrast is very important for close set, dark eye color + close spacing is what creates the retarded beady eye look
also you need eyebrows that extend way past the outer eye corners and you need hair that properly frames the face
yes, i think under 39 above 51 is where it can start looking very subhuman
if everything else is fully maxxed out wide set can look ethereal or alien in a good way and close can look striking
chase crawford esr is horrible yet foids always talk about how pretty his eyes are

yea i probably shouldve just said under .39 and above .51 although i still think if u have an esr under .41 or above .49 u can consider it but its not necessary

in the same way that if ur like 5'7 u can consider LL but its not necessary but around 5'4 its pretty much necessary though u can just geomax to a country with a shorter avg height

it all really depends on so many factors