autism didn’t just ruin parts of my life, it fundamentally erased every version of a future I could’ve had.

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and I don't mean this dramatically, I mean this in the most literal sense possible, it didn't make things harder, it didn't give me a few obstacles of overcome, it rewired the way I relate to the world, to others, and to myself, and the world responded by spitting me out every time I tried to be a part of it.

from the start I was weird and it was obvious (more like obnoxious)

my parents had to put my cradle outside, even in winter, because I wouldn't stop crying inside, I still can't regulate my temperature well and always overheat, I still feel out of place in my own skin and every movement makes me anxious, it makes my skin crawl.

school was fine at first, I talked too much about my interests but people didn't mind, I could learn fine as long as it was engaging, as long as I was interested, there were no major problems.

until the diagnosis hit (and the fire nation attacked)

that changed everything, they shoved me into special ED, they said it was supposed to help, but it was just a warehouse for kids they didn't know what to do with, and what that does to a person can't be undone.

imagine being a kid with no behavioral issues, who just talked too much and didn't get social cues, now you're locked in a room with other kids who scream, fight, throw chairs and get in your face, there was no support, no calm, and you absolutely couldn't learn, it was just chaos and trauma, special education isn't a nice place where people with conditions are helped, it's largely just a dumping ground, mostly for kids who don't have any diagnosis at all but just have shitty parents, as you can imagine they're usually violent, autism wasn't even very common at my school, it was mostly kids with ADHD that didn't take their meds if they had anything at all.

they handed me books meant for elementary school kids when I was in highschool and told me that's all they had, they weren't even pretending anymore, I wasn't supposed to go anywhere after that, but it's not like it mattered, the way special ED works here is that you're only able to receive the lowest grade of education, they don't have any books for anything else, and even the books for this, which is a simple form of education, were old and had scribbles all over them, the information was often outdated (think slaves build the pyramids kind of stuff during history) you also couldn't really graduate, you'd be offered a certificate that wasn't formally recognized anywhere instead.

autism didn't affect my ability to learn, it affected my ability to be seen as a person worth investing in, it made people uncomfortable, confused or dismissive, and it taught me that nothing about who I am is okay unless it's being edited, hidden, or translated into something more acceptable.

every therapist has the same playbook, they teach you how to 'mask' they tone down everything until people stop flinching, to build a version of yourself that might be tolerated.

but it's not you, it's a costume, and when people like that version it feels worse, because you know they never actually liked you.

they liked the echo you learned how to perform.

I don't even crave deep friendships anymore, I gave up on that long ago., but I still want to be able to go through life without every interaction turning into a slow motion failure, I want to be able to say a sentence without watching someone's expression shift into discomfort.

I want to be able to exist in public without constantly wondering if I'm ruining someone's day just by opening my mouth.


and before anyone tries to say 'just be kind' or 'smile more', I already do that, I listen, I'm quiet, I ask about people, I stay shallow, safe and polite, but it's robotic, the timing's off, the tone is weird, and it doesn't land the way it should, and you can feel it when people pull away, like they're reacting to something instinctively wrong about you, something they can't name, but you can't undo either.


dating is no different, it's actually worse, because rejection there cuts deeper, I don't struggle with my looks (I've got several threads on how to manually adjust your face looks and fix your asymmetries which are common with autism if anyone's interested) I do well on apps, people ask me out, they're curious, but it never lasts, first it's warm, then it's stiff, then it's silence, not because I said anything weird, not because I acted out, just because something about me feels off in a way that's hard to name but impossible to ignore.

and what makes it worse is that I know the problem is me, but I don't know what the problem is.

so you start to resent it, the fact that your face determines whether people even give you the time of day, but your personality, your actual self, determines whether they stay, and no one stays.

because there's something about you that they don't want to be close to, and they don't know how to explain it, so they just don't, they just drift, they ghost, they vanish, you can look good and still be deeply unlovable, because being loved isn't about your face, it's about how people feel around you, and if people feel weird or wrong around you, you can't fix that by contouring your jawline.

people like to give advice, and they probably mean well, they tell you to join communities, and find 'your people' to reframe how you see yourself, to try therapy again, to 'just be patient' someone will see the real you someday' but I've tried, I've been to groups, I've been in plenty communities, I've tried translating myself into something more understandable, but it never works, not even with other autistic people, you don't just magically connect because you share a label, shared struggle doesn't always mean shared understanding.

and most of the time I don't feel misunderstood, I just feel invisible, or even worse, felt in the wrong way, like people just see something strange in me and don't want to look closer, just enough to avoid, just enough to forget.

I don't have a conclusion to this, there isn't one, I'm not looking for advice, I don't think there's a fix, just a slow adjustment to the idea that some of us won't be known in the way we want to, we won't be liked in a way we hope to, and all we can do is survive that fact.
 
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This thread is like a book that I will never read, just that I liked or knew author and liked the title
 
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Dnr autist
 
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you can look good and still be deeply unlovable, because being loved isn't about your face, it's about how people feel around you, and if people feel weird or wrong around you, you can't fix that by contouring your jawline
the final stage of the blackpill in a few words
 
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and I don't mean this dramatically, I mean this in the most literal sense possible, it didn't make things harder, it didn't give me a few obstacles of overcome, it rewired the way I relate to the world, to others, and to myself, and the world responded by spitting me out every time I tried to be a part of it.

from the start I was weird and it was obvious (more like obnoxious)

my parents had to put my cradle outside, even in winter, because I wouldn't stop crying inside, I still can't regulate my temperature well and always overheat, I still feel out of place in my own skin and every movement makes me anxious, it makes my skin crawl.

school was fine at first, I talked too much about my interests but people didn't mind, I could learn fine as long as it was engaging, as long as I was interested, there were no major problems.

until the diagnosis hit (and the fire nation attacked)

that changed everything, they shoved me into special ED, they said it was supposed to help, but it was just a warehouse for kids they didn't know what to do with, and what that does to a person can't be undone.

imagine being a kid with no behavioral issues, who just talked too much and didn't get social cues, now you're locked in a room with other kids who scream, fight, throw chairs and get in your face, there was no support, no calm, and you absolutely couldn't learn, it was just chaos and trauma, special education isn't a nice place where people with conditions are helped, it's largely just a dumping ground, mostly for kids who don't have any diagnosis at all but just have shitty parents, as you can imagine they're usually violent, autism wasn't even very common at my school, it was mostly kids with ADHD that didn't take their meds if they had anything at all.

they handed me books meant for elementary school kids when I was in highschool and told me that's all they had, they weren't even pretending anymore, I wasn't supposed to go anywhere after that, but it's not like it mattered, the way special ED works here is that you're only able to receive the lowest grade of education, they don't have any books for anything else, and even the books for this, which is a simple form of education, were old and had scribbles all over them, the information was often outdated (think slaves build the pyramids kind of stuff during history) you also couldn't really graduate, you'd be offered a certificate that wasn't formally recognized anywhere instead.

autism didn't affect my ability to learn, it affected my ability to be seen as a person worth investing in, it made people uncomfortable, confused or dismissive, and it taught me that nothing about who I am is okay unless it's being edited, hidden, or translated into something more acceptable.

every therapist has the same playbook, they teach you how to 'mask' they tone down everything until people stop flinching, to build a version of yourself that might be tolerated.

but it's not you, it's a costume, and when people like that version it feels worse, because you know they never actually liked you.

they liked the echo you learned how to perform.

I don't even crave deep friendships anymore, I gave up on that long ago., but I still want to be able to go through life without every interaction turning into a slow motion failure, I want to be able to say a sentence without watching someone's expression shift into discomfort.

I want to be able to exist in public without constantly wondering if I'm ruining someone's day just by opening my mouth.


and before anyone tries to say 'just be kind' or 'smile more', I already do that, I listen, I'm quiet, I ask about people, I stay shallow, safe and polite, but it's robotic, the timing's off, the tone is weird, and it doesn't land the way it should, and you can feel it when people pull away, like they're reacting to something instinctively wrong about you, something they can't name, but you can't undo either.


dating is no different, it's actually worse, because rejection there cuts deeper, I don't struggle with my looks (I've got several threads on how to manually adjust your face looks and fix your asymmetries which are common with autism if anyone's interested) I do well on apps, people ask me out, they're curious, but it never lasts, first it's warm, then it's stiff, then it's silence, not because I said anything weird, not because I acted out, just because something about me feels off in a way that's hard to name but impossible to ignore.

and what makes it worse is that I know the problem is me, but I don't know what the problem is.

so you start to resent it, the fact that your face determines whether people even give you the time of day, but your personality, your actual self, determines whether they stay, and no one stays.

because there's something about you that they don't want to be close to, and they don't know how to explain it, so they just don't, they just drift, they ghost, they vanish, you can look good and still be deeply unlovable, because being loved isn't about your face, it's about how people feel around you, and if people feel weird or wrong around you, you can't fix that by contouring your jawline.

people like to give advice, and they probably mean well, they tell you to join communities, and find 'your people' to reframe how you see yourself, to try therapy again, to 'just be patient' someone will see the real you someday' but I've tried, I've been to groups, I've been in plenty communities, I've tried translating myself into something more understandable, but it never works, not even with other autistic people, you don't just magically connect because you share a label, shared struggle doesn't always mean shared understanding.

and most of the time I don't feel misunderstood, I just feel invisible, or even worse, felt in the wrong way, like people just see something strange in me and don't want to look closer, just enough to avoid, just enough to forget.

I don't have a conclusion to this, there isn't one, I'm not looking for advice, I don't think there's a fix, just a slow adjustment to the idea that some of us won't be known in the way we want to, we won't be liked in a way we hope to, and all we can do is survive that fact.
Yeah man i know how you feel i had to go to special ed because i had adhd and autism too. some kid with psychopathy stabbed me with a pencil lol
 
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if you grew up in EE like me no one wouldnt even bat an eye on you and they wouldve labeled you as easily distracted kid as they did with me
 
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Raw milk = no more autism
 
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I hope you find peace man
 
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and I don't mean this dramatically, I mean this in the most literal sense possible, it didn't make things harder, it didn't give me a few obstacles of overcome, it rewired the way I relate to the world, to others, and to myself, and the world responded by spitting me out every time I tried to be a part of it.

from the start I was weird and it was obvious (more like obnoxious)

my parents had to put my cradle outside, even in winter, because I wouldn't stop crying inside, I still can't regulate my temperature well and always overheat, I still feel out of place in my own skin and every movement makes me anxious, it makes my skin crawl.

school was fine at first, I talked too much about my interests but people didn't mind, I could learn fine as long as it was engaging, as long as I was interested, there were no major problems.

until the diagnosis hit (and the fire nation attacked)

that changed everything, they shoved me into special ED, they said it was supposed to help, but it was just a warehouse for kids they didn't know what to do with, and what that does to a person can't be undone.

imagine being a kid with no behavioral issues, who just talked too much and didn't get social cues, now you're locked in a room with other kids who scream, fight, throw chairs and get in your face, there was no support, no calm, and you absolutely couldn't learn, it was just chaos and trauma, special education isn't a nice place where people with conditions are helped, it's largely just a dumping ground, mostly for kids who don't have any diagnosis at all but just have shitty parents, as you can imagine they're usually violent, autism wasn't even very common at my school, it was mostly kids with ADHD that didn't take their meds if they had anything at all.

they handed me books meant for elementary school kids when I was in highschool and told me that's all they had, they weren't even pretending anymore, I wasn't supposed to go anywhere after that, but it's not like it mattered, the way special ED works here is that you're only able to receive the lowest grade of education, they don't have any books for anything else, and even the books for this, which is a simple form of education, were old and had scribbles all over them, the information was often outdated (think slaves build the pyramids kind of stuff during history) you also couldn't really graduate, you'd be offered a certificate that wasn't formally recognized anywhere instead.

autism didn't affect my ability to learn, it affected my ability to be seen as a person worth investing in, it made people uncomfortable, confused or dismissive, and it taught me that nothing about who I am is okay unless it's being edited, hidden, or translated into something more acceptable.

every therapist has the same playbook, they teach you how to 'mask' they tone down everything until people stop flinching, to build a version of yourself that might be tolerated.

but it's not you, it's a costume, and when people like that version it feels worse, because you know they never actually liked you.

they liked the echo you learned how to perform.

I don't even crave deep friendships anymore, I gave up on that long ago., but I still want to be able to go through life without every interaction turning into a slow motion failure, I want to be able to say a sentence without watching someone's expression shift into discomfort.

I want to be able to exist in public without constantly wondering if I'm ruining someone's day just by opening my mouth.


and before anyone tries to say 'just be kind' or 'smile more', I already do that, I listen, I'm quiet, I ask about people, I stay shallow, safe and polite, but it's robotic, the timing's off, the tone is weird, and it doesn't land the way it should, and you can feel it when people pull away, like they're reacting to something instinctively wrong about you, something they can't name, but you can't undo either.


dating is no different, it's actually worse, because rejection there cuts deeper, I don't struggle with my looks (I've got several threads on how to manually adjust your face looks and fix your asymmetries which are common with autism if anyone's interested) I do well on apps, people ask me out, they're curious, but it never lasts, first it's warm, then it's stiff, then it's silence, not because I said anything weird, not because I acted out, just because something about me feels off in a way that's hard to name but impossible to ignore.

and what makes it worse is that I know the problem is me, but I don't know what the problem is.

so you start to resent it, the fact that your face determines whether people even give you the time of day, but your personality, your actual self, determines whether they stay, and no one stays.

because there's something about you that they don't want to be close to, and they don't know how to explain it, so they just don't, they just drift, they ghost, they vanish, you can look good and still be deeply unlovable, because being loved isn't about your face, it's about how people feel around you, and if people feel weird or wrong around you, you can't fix that by contouring your jawline.

people like to give advice, and they probably mean well, they tell you to join communities, and find 'your people' to reframe how you see yourself, to try therapy again, to 'just be patient' someone will see the real you someday' but I've tried, I've been to groups, I've been in plenty communities, I've tried translating myself into something more understandable, but it never works, not even with other autistic people, you don't just magically connect because you share a label, shared struggle doesn't always mean shared understanding.

and most of the time I don't feel misunderstood, I just feel invisible, or even worse, felt in the wrong way, like people just see something strange in me and don't want to look closer, just enough to avoid, just enough to forget.

I don't have a conclusion to this, there isn't one, I'm not looking for advice, I don't think there's a fix, just a slow adjustment to the idea that some of us won't be known in the way we want to, we won't be liked in a way we hope to, and all we can do is survive that fact.
There are 12 billion humans on this planet
 
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and I don't mean this dramatically, I mean this in the most literal sense possible, it didn't make things harder, it didn't give me a few obstacles of overcome, it rewired the way I relate to the world, to others, and to myself, and the world responded by spitting me out every time I tried to be a part of it.

from the start I was weird and it was obvious (more like obnoxious)

my parents had to put my cradle outside, even in winter, because I wouldn't stop crying inside, I still can't regulate my temperature well and always overheat, I still feel out of place in my own skin and every movement makes me anxious, it makes my skin crawl.

school was fine at first, I talked too much about my interests but people didn't mind, I could learn fine as long as it was engaging, as long as I was interested, there were no major problems.

until the diagnosis hit (and the fire nation attacked)

that changed everything, they shoved me into special ED, they said it was supposed to help, but it was just a warehouse for kids they didn't know what to do with, and what that does to a person can't be undone.

imagine being a kid with no behavioral issues, who just talked too much and didn't get social cues, now you're locked in a room with other kids who scream, fight, throw chairs and get in your face, there was no support, no calm, and you absolutely couldn't learn, it was just chaos and trauma, special education isn't a nice place where people with conditions are helped, it's largely just a dumping ground, mostly for kids who don't have any diagnosis at all but just have shitty parents, as you can imagine they're usually violent, autism wasn't even very common at my school, it was mostly kids with ADHD that didn't take their meds if they had anything at all.

they handed me books meant for elementary school kids when I was in highschool and told me that's all they had, they weren't even pretending anymore, I wasn't supposed to go anywhere after that, but it's not like it mattered, the way special ED works here is that you're only able to receive the lowest grade of education, they don't have any books for anything else, and even the books for this, which is a simple form of education, were old and had scribbles all over them, the information was often outdated (think slaves build the pyramids kind of stuff during history) you also couldn't really graduate, you'd be offered a certificate that wasn't formally recognized anywhere instead.

autism didn't affect my ability to learn, it affected my ability to be seen as a person worth investing in, it made people uncomfortable, confused or dismissive, and it taught me that nothing about who I am is okay unless it's being edited, hidden, or translated into something more acceptable.

every therapist has the same playbook, they teach you how to 'mask' they tone down everything until people stop flinching, to build a version of yourself that might be tolerated.

but it's not you, it's a costume, and when people like that version it feels worse, because you know they never actually liked you.

they liked the echo you learned how to perform.

I don't even crave deep friendships anymore, I gave up on that long ago., but I still want to be able to go through life without every interaction turning into a slow motion failure, I want to be able to say a sentence without watching someone's expression shift into discomfort.

I want to be able to exist in public without constantly wondering if I'm ruining someone's day just by opening my mouth.


and before anyone tries to say 'just be kind' or 'smile more', I already do that, I listen, I'm quiet, I ask about people, I stay shallow, safe and polite, but it's robotic, the timing's off, the tone is weird, and it doesn't land the way it should, and you can feel it when people pull away, like they're reacting to something instinctively wrong about you, something they can't name, but you can't undo either.


dating is no different, it's actually worse, because rejection there cuts deeper, I don't struggle with my looks (I've got several threads on how to manually adjust your face looks and fix your asymmetries which are common with autism if anyone's interested) I do well on apps, people ask me out, they're curious, but it never lasts, first it's warm, then it's stiff, then it's silence, not because I said anything weird, not because I acted out, just because something about me feels off in a way that's hard to name but impossible to ignore.

and what makes it worse is that I know the problem is me, but I don't know what the problem is.

so you start to resent it, the fact that your face determines whether people even give you the time of day, but your personality, your actual self, determines whether they stay, and no one stays.

because there's something about you that they don't want to be close to, and they don't know how to explain it, so they just don't, they just drift, they ghost, they vanish, you can look good and still be deeply unlovable, because being loved isn't about your face, it's about how people feel around you, and if people feel weird or wrong around you, you can't fix that by contouring your jawline.

people like to give advice, and they probably mean well, they tell you to join communities, and find 'your people' to reframe how you see yourself, to try therapy again, to 'just be patient' someone will see the real you someday' but I've tried, I've been to groups, I've been in plenty communities, I've tried translating myself into something more understandable, but it never works, not even with other autistic people, you don't just magically connect because you share a label, shared struggle doesn't always mean shared understanding.

and most of the time I don't feel misunderstood, I just feel invisible, or even worse, felt in the wrong way, like people just see something strange in me and don't want to look closer, just enough to avoid, just enough to forget.

I don't have a conclusion to this, there isn't one, I'm not looking for advice, I don't think there's a fix, just a slow adjustment to the idea that some of us won't be known in the way we want to, we won't be liked in a way we hope to, and all we can do is survive that fact.
I can relate I’ve had friends they have all come and gone they all had very close friends within the friend group and I was always just there I never felt like anyone really ever liked me
 
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Dnr but i got empathy for you 😢
 
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same, i wouldnt wish (real, pathological) autism upon my worst enemy

ive completely cut people out of my life and given up on forming any sort of relationship. quite frankly i take the zeke yeager approach when it comes to autism, we get bullied, ostracised and neglected for a reason and in an ideal world people like us would've been aborted in the womb to prevent further dilution of the gene pool and unnecessarily horrible sentient existences
 
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Even though I don't have autism or anything I can relate to this deeply, I've never had anyone I've always been a shadow and due to that I had very low self esteem, so low that it actually fucked up my schooling. For example in primary school we would do little question sheets and then we would tell our answers to the class and on so many occasions I'd have the right answer but beacuse people disagreed with me I'd rub it out and put the wrong answer. Whenever I start talking to people the relationship just declines, it's like I'd have better success as a mute.

I find peoples life's get worse once they get diagnosed as a autist, im happy that my mother says I don't have autism (ive been tested for everything) beacuse even if I do I'd rather not have that burden put on me.
 
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I can relate I’ve had friends they have all come and gone they all had very close friends within the friend group and I was always just there I never felt like anyone really ever liked me
For me I only had one guy ever who was my perfect match but he left for private school in year 2, ever since then NO ONE has liked me. I never got invited to anything I was always the one inviting.
 
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and I don't mean this dramatically, I mean this in the most literal sense possible, it didn't make things harder, it didn't give me a few obstacles of overcome, it rewired the way I relate to the world, to others, and to myself, and the world responded by spitting me out every time I tried to be a part of it.

from the start I was weird and it was obvious (more like obnoxious)

my parents had to put my cradle outside, even in winter, because I wouldn't stop crying inside, I still can't regulate my temperature well and always overheat, I still feel out of place in my own skin and every movement makes me anxious, it makes my skin crawl.

school was fine at first, I talked too much about my interests but people didn't mind, I could learn fine as long as it was engaging, as long as I was interested, there were no major problems.

until the diagnosis hit (and the fire nation attacked)
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that changed everything, they shoved me into special ED, they said it was supposed to help, but it was just a warehouse for kids they didn't know what to do with, and what that does to a person can't be undone.

imagine being a kid with no behavioral issues, who just talked too much and didn't get social cues, now you're locked in a room with other kids who scream, fight, throw chairs and get in your face, there was no support, no calm, and you absolutely couldn't learn, it was just chaos and trauma, special education isn't a nice place where people with conditions are helped, it's largely just a dumping ground, mostly for kids who don't have any diagnosis at all but just have shitty parents, as you can imagine they're usually violent, autism wasn't even very common at my school, it was mostly kids with ADHD that didn't take their meds if they had anything at all.

they handed me books meant for elementary school kids when I was in highschool and told me that's all they had, they weren't even pretending anymore, I wasn't supposed to go anywhere after that, but it's not like it mattered, the way special ED works here is that you're only able to receive the lowest grade of education, they don't have any books for anything else, and even the books for this, which is a simple form of education, were old and had scribbles all over them, the information was often outdated (think slaves build the pyramids kind of stuff during history) you also couldn't really graduate, you'd be offered a certificate that wasn't formally recognized anywhere instead.

autism didn't affect my ability to learn, it affected my ability to be seen as a person worth investing in, it made people uncomfortable, confused or dismissive, and it taught me that nothing about who I am is okay unless it's being edited, hidden, or translated into something more acceptable.

every therapist has the same playbook, they teach you how to 'mask' they tone down everything until people stop flinching, to build a version of yourself that might be tolerated.

but it's not you, it's a costume, and when people like that version it feels worse, because you know they never actually liked you.

they liked the echo you learned how to perform.

I don't even crave deep friendships anymore, I gave up on that long ago., but I still want to be able to go through life without every interaction turning into a slow motion failure, I want to be able to say a sentence without watching someone's expression shift into discomfort.

I want to be able to exist in public without constantly wondering if I'm ruining someone's day just by opening my mouth.


and before anyone tries to say 'just be kind' or 'smile more', I already do that, I listen, I'm quiet, I ask about people, I stay shallow, safe and polite, but it's robotic, the timing's off, the tone is weird, and it doesn't land the way it should, and you can feel it when people pull away, like they're reacting to something instinctively wrong about you, something they can't name, but you can't undo either.


dating is no different, it's actually worse, because rejection there cuts deeper, I don't struggle with my looks (I've got several threads on how to manually adjust your face looks and fix your asymmetries which are common with autism if anyone's interested) I do well on apps, people ask me out, they're curious, but it never lasts, first it's warm, then it's stiff, then it's silence, not because I said anything weird, not because I acted out, just because something about me feels off in a way that's hard to name but impossible to ignore.

and what makes it worse is that I know the problem is me, but I don't know what the problem is.

so you start to resent it, the fact that your face determines whether people even give you the time of day, but your personality, your actual self, determines whether they stay, and no one stays.

because there's something about you that they don't want to be close to, and they don't know how to explain it, so they just don't, they just drift, they ghost, they vanish, you can look good and still be deeply unlovable, because being loved isn't about your face, it's about how people feel around you, and if people feel weird or wrong around you, you can't fix that by contouring your jawline.

people like to give advice, and they probably mean well, they tell you to join communities, and find 'your people' to reframe how you see yourself, to try therapy again, to 'just be patient' someone will see the real you someday' but I've tried, I've been to groups, I've been in plenty communities, I've tried translating myself into something more understandable, but it never works, not even with other autistic people, you don't just magically connect because you share a label, shared struggle doesn't always mean shared understanding.

and most of the time I don't feel misunderstood, I just feel invisible, or even worse, felt in the wrong way, like people just see something strange in me and don't want to look closer, just enough to avoid, just enough to forget.

I don't have a conclusion to this, there isn't one, I'm not looking for advice, I don't think there's a fix, just a slow adjustment to the idea that some of us won't be known in the way we want to, we won't be liked in a way we hope to, and all we can do is survive that fact.
je bent er heel goed uit gekomen bb, we zijn trots op jou. :heart::feelsyay::feelsez:
 
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Seems like you became aware of the puppeteering you had to endure. This is devastating to read actually.
 
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I read it entirely now and it seems well written. You are aware but at the same time very self doubting. The way you express yourself, I think those childhood experiences with ED classes really did a number on your brain. The thing is once that time interval passes where you have to achieve certain milestones, there is nothing one can do. This carries over into adulthood and people expect everyone to have the same skills. As for therapy, it's for the most part not really worth it if you have these sorts of experiences unless you can afford the top class ones, even then childhood intervention is waay better than intervening as an adult. You can have looks but if the foundation of social bonding isn't there then you will be rejected just like the other "losers" despite being normal from the outside. These are my observations from reading your post
 
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Proof that we live in a simulation
 
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if you grew up in EE

Growing up in your young years in EE is not for beginners.. You won't see these scenes anywhere else on the planet:


imagine being a kid with no behavioral issues, who just talked too much and didn't get social cues

The ''didn't get social cues'' thing is probably the most brutal..

I've seen so many people in my life from school to corporate job with this problem who were otherwise relatively normal (but tended to talk too much and what was ''unnecessary'')

It's probably the first sign to the normies that they don't want to get close to you, or take you seriously, or have a very close relationship with you (because they don't want to associate with you, because the other normies will be able to sense that too, and will start questioning how much ''normies'' the others in the group are too, which just makes things awkward)

They always seemed to get relatively confused and sad when that happened to them, like they were getting ghosted in real life, right in front of them, and this reduced their self-esteem, which was already very low..
 
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and I don't mean this dramatically, I mean this in the most literal sense possible, it didn't make things harder, it didn't give me a few obstacles of overcome, it rewired the way I relate to the world, to others, and to myself, and the world responded by spitting me out every time I tried to be a part of it.

from the start I was weird and it was obvious (more like obnoxious)

my parents had to put my cradle outside, even in winter, because I wouldn't stop crying inside, I still can't regulate my temperature well and always overheat, I still feel out of place in my own skin and every movement makes me anxious, it makes my skin crawl.

school was fine at first, I talked too much about my interests but people didn't mind, I could learn fine as long as it was engaging, as long as I was interested, there were no major problems.

until the diagnosis hit (and the fire nation attacked)

that changed everything, they shoved me into special ED, they said it was supposed to help, but it was just a warehouse for kids they didn't know what to do with, and what that does to a person can't be undone.

imagine being a kid with no behavioral issues, who just talked too much and didn't get social cues, now you're locked in a room with other kids who scream, fight, throw chairs and get in your face, there was no support, no calm, and you absolutely couldn't learn, it was just chaos and trauma, special education isn't a nice place where people with conditions are helped, it's largely just a dumping ground, mostly for kids who don't have any diagnosis at all but just have shitty parents, as you can imagine they're usually violent, autism wasn't even very common at my school, it was mostly kids with ADHD that didn't take their meds if they had anything at all.

they handed me books meant for elementary school kids when I was in highschool and told me that's all they had, they weren't even pretending anymore, I wasn't supposed to go anywhere after that, but it's not like it mattered, the way special ED works here is that you're only able to receive the lowest grade of education, they don't have any books for anything else, and even the books for this, which is a simple form of education, were old and had scribbles all over them, the information was often outdated (think slaves build the pyramids kind of stuff during history) you also couldn't really graduate, you'd be offered a certificate that wasn't formally recognized anywhere instead.

autism didn't affect my ability to learn, it affected my ability to be seen as a person worth investing in, it made people uncomfortable, confused or dismissive, and it taught me that nothing about who I am is okay unless it's being edited, hidden, or translated into something more acceptable.

every therapist has the same playbook, they teach you how to 'mask' they tone down everything until people stop flinching, to build a version of yourself that might be tolerated.

but it's not you, it's a costume, and when people like that version it feels worse, because you know they never actually liked you.

they liked the echo you learned how to perform.

I don't even crave deep friendships anymore, I gave up on that long ago., but I still want to be able to go through life without every interaction turning into a slow motion failure, I want to be able to say a sentence without watching someone's expression shift into discomfort.

I want to be able to exist in public without constantly wondering if I'm ruining someone's day just by opening my mouth.


and before anyone tries to say 'just be kind' or 'smile more', I already do that, I listen, I'm quiet, I ask about people, I stay shallow, safe and polite, but it's robotic, the timing's off, the tone is weird, and it doesn't land the way it should, and you can feel it when people pull away, like they're reacting to something instinctively wrong about you, something they can't name, but you can't undo either.


dating is no different, it's actually worse, because rejection there cuts deeper, I don't struggle with my looks (I've got several threads on how to manually adjust your face looks and fix your asymmetries which are common with autism if anyone's interested) I do well on apps, people ask me out, they're curious, but it never lasts, first it's warm, then it's stiff, then it's silence, not because I said anything weird, not because I acted out, just because something about me feels off in a way that's hard to name but impossible to ignore.

and what makes it worse is that I know the problem is me, but I don't know what the problem is.

so you start to resent it, the fact that your face determines whether people even give you the time of day, but your personality, your actual self, determines whether they stay, and no one stays.

because there's something about you that they don't want to be close to, and they don't know how to explain it, so they just don't, they just drift, they ghost, they vanish, you can look good and still be deeply unlovable, because being loved isn't about your face, it's about how people feel around you, and if people feel weird or wrong around you, you can't fix that by contouring your jawline.

people like to give advice, and they probably mean well, they tell you to join communities, and find 'your people' to reframe how you see yourself, to try therapy again, to 'just be patient' someone will see the real you someday' but I've tried, I've been to groups, I've been in plenty communities, I've tried translating myself into something more understandable, but it never works, not even with other autistic people, you don't just magically connect because you share a label, shared struggle doesn't always mean shared understanding.

and most of the time I don't feel misunderstood, I just feel invisible, or even worse, felt in the wrong way, like people just see something strange in me and don't want to look closer, just enough to avoid, just enough to forget.

I don't have a conclusion to this, there isn't one, I'm not looking for advice, I don't think there's a fix, just a slow adjustment to the idea that some of us won't be known in the way we want to, we won't be liked in a way we hope to, and all we can do is survive that fact.
im sorry that ur nd bro, really is a brutal pill to swallow
 
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hits extremely close to home

unfortunately most people will never understand
 
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it does something to you when you're treated like a system error from day one.


it’s not just a rough patch or a couple of bad years, it’s the whole foundation, you end up building your identity on damage control, and even when things feel “stable,” you’re not growing, you’re just enduring more quietly.


people talk about healing like it’s a road you walk, but what if the road never existed to begin with? what if you were told to build a house on sand and then blamed when it sinks?


I don’t discard people, I don’t flinch at flaws, I expect them, I can stay through someone else’s mess without blinking, not because I’m selfless, but because I understand what it means to be difficult and still want to be loved.


but that grace doesn’t get returned.


people don’t look at me and think, he’s different, but I want to stay, they just feel that difference, instinctively, and slowly back away, no malice, just something quieter, like they’re pulling their hand away from a stove they didn’t know was hot, no warning, no explanation. just that slight shift, then distance, then nothing.


eventually, you stop asking your friends for advice, not because you're too proud, but because you already know, your situation is too strange, too layered, too exhausting to explain one more time, the deeper kind of alienation isn’t when strangers don't understand you, it’s when people who love you don’t.


you watch other autistic people carve something out of the same chaos, they find communities, even if imperfect ones, they manage relationships, they find partners who stay, or at the very least build a solitude that doesn't gnaw at them from the inside out.


but for me, solitude isn’t peace, it’s just silence with sharper edges.


I can fake it, I’ve faked it for years, but the energy cost is enormous, and the return is almost nothing, it’s like tap dancing on a fault line exhausting, unnatural, and you're still alone at the end of it.


every book says the same thing: how to phrase things better, how to mirror people, how to pass, maybe it helps some people, teaches them to smile more believably or script a joke that lands, but none of it gives me a version of myself that others want to stay close to, it just helps me perform a version of myself that doesn’t make people flinch, a costume that doesn’t get picked apart immediately.


and when people do like that version, it doesn’t feel like belonging, it feels like betrayal, because deep down you know, they liked the echo, not the voice.


even work, even on a good day, feels like being slowly sandpapered by existence, every moment is chipped away by invisible effort no one else notices, you’re told to be productive while pretending your entire inner world isn’t in a constant low-grade state of collapse, if you can’t pretend well enough, you’re the issue.


and when you say “autism ruined my life,” people think you’re being dramatic, like you’re just unwilling to see the positives, but it’s not about bitterness, it’s about grief, it’s the mourning of every version of your life that was never allowed to exist, all the doors that never opened, all the selves you never got to be.
 
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it does something to you when you're treated like a system error from day one.


it’s not just a rough patch or a couple of bad years, it’s the whole foundation, you end up building your identity on damage control, and even when things feel “stable,” you’re not growing, you’re just enduring more quietly.


people talk about healing like it’s a road you walk, but what if the road never existed to begin with? what if you were told to build a house on sand and then blamed when it sinks?


I don’t discard people, I don’t flinch at flaws, I expect them, I can stay through someone else’s mess without blinking, not because I’m selfless, but because I understand what it means to be difficult and still want to be loved.


but that grace doesn’t get returned.


people don’t look at me and think, he’s different, but I want to stay, they just feel that difference, instinctively, and slowly back away, no malice, just something quieter, like they’re pulling their hand away from a stove they didn’t know was hot, no warning, no explanation. just that slight shift, then distance, then nothing.


eventually, you stop asking your friends for advice, not because you're too proud, but because you already know, your situation is too strange, too layered, too exhausting to explain one more time, the deeper kind of alienation isn’t when strangers don't understand you, it’s when people who love you don’t.


you watch other autistic people carve something out of the same chaos, they find communities, even if imperfect ones, they manage relationships, they find partners who stay, or at the very least build a solitude that doesn't gnaw at them from the inside out.


but for me, solitude isn’t peace, it’s just silence with sharper edges.


I can fake it, I’ve faked it for years, but the energy cost is enormous, and the return is almost nothing, it’s like tap dancing on a fault line exhausting, unnatural, and you're still alone at the end of it.


every book says the same thing: how to phrase things better, how to mirror people, how to pass, maybe it helps some people, teaches them to smile more believably or script a joke that lands, but none of it gives me a version of myself that others want to stay close to, it just helps me perform a version of myself that doesn’t make people flinch, a costume that doesn’t get picked apart immediately.


and when people do like that version, it doesn’t feel like belonging, it feels like betrayal, because deep down you know, they liked the echo, not the voice.


even work, even on a good day, feels like being slowly sandpapered by existence, every moment is chipped away by invisible effort no one else notices, you’re told to be productive while pretending your entire inner world isn’t in a constant low-grade state of collapse, if you can’t pretend well enough, you’re the issue.


and when you say “autism ruined my life,” people think you’re being dramatic, like you’re just unwilling to see the positives, but it’s not about bitterness, it’s about grief, it’s the mourning of every version of your life that was never allowed to exist, all the doors that never opened, all the selves you never got to be.
Do you think you’ve truly given up on love, or is there still a part of you that hopes for it?
 
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And certainly not for you. You are what is known as a larper
 
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and before anyone tries to say 'just be kind' or 'smile more', I already do that, I listen, I'm quiet, I ask about people, I stay shallow, safe and polite, but it's robotic, the timing's off, the tone is weird, and it doesn't land the way it should, and you can feel it when people pull away, like they're reacting to something instinctively wrong about you, something they can't name, but you can't undo either.


dating is no different, it's actually worse, because rejection there cuts deeper, I don't struggle with my looks (I've got several threads on how to manually adjust your face looks and fix your asymmetries which are common with autism if anyone's interested) I do well on apps, people ask me out, they're curious, but it never lasts, first it's warm, then it's stiff, then it's silence, not because I said anything weird, not because I acted out, just because something about me feels off in a way that's hard to name but impossible to ignore.

and what makes it worse is that I know the problem is me, but I don't know what the problem is.

so you start to resent it, the fact that your face determines whether people even give you the time of day, but your personality, your actual self, determines whether they stay, and no one stays.

because there's something about you that they don't want to be close to, and they don't know how to explain it, so they just don't, they just drift, they ghost, they vanish, you can look good and still be deeply unlovable, because being loved isn't about your face, it's about how people feel around you, and if people feel weird or wrong around you, you can't fix that by contouring your jawline.
I can relate to this a lot sadly
In the last 3 months i have dated 4 girls, every single one of them ghosted after 2 or 3 dates, even after fucking them, and they were always the ones who looked more invested in the potential relationship. And every single time it hurts so much because I can’t point what I did wrong to be treated like that.
I wouldn’t care if they texted me back saying “i dont feel a connection” or whatever bullshit they want to come up with, but being ghosted feels like being seen as not human enough to deserve an explanation.
 
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Didn't read, slayers are not autists
 
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and I don't mean this dramatically, I mean this in the most literal sense possible, it didn't make things harder, it didn't give me a few obstacles of overcome, it rewired the way I relate to the world, to others, and to myself, and the world responded by spitting me out every time I tried to be a part of it.

from the start I was weird and it was obvious (more like obnoxious)

my parents had to put my cradle outside, even in winter, because I wouldn't stop crying inside, I still can't regulate my temperature well and always overheat, I still feel out of place in my own skin and every movement makes me anxious, it makes my skin crawl.

school was fine at first, I talked too much about my interests but people didn't mind, I could learn fine as long as it was engaging, as long as I was interested, there were no major problems.

until the diagnosis hit (and the fire nation attacked)

that changed everything, they shoved me into special ED, they said it was supposed to help, but it was just a warehouse for kids they didn't know what to do with, and what that does to a person can't be undone.

imagine being a kid with no behavioral issues, who just talked too much and didn't get social cues, now you're locked in a room with other kids who scream, fight, throw chairs and get in your face, there was no support, no calm, and you absolutely couldn't learn, it was just chaos and trauma, special education isn't a nice place where people with conditions are helped, it's largely just a dumping ground, mostly for kids who don't have any diagnosis at all but just have shitty parents, as you can imagine they're usually violent, autism wasn't even very common at my school, it was mostly kids with ADHD that didn't take their meds if they had anything at all.

they handed me books meant for elementary school kids when I was in highschool and told me that's all they had, they weren't even pretending anymore, I wasn't supposed to go anywhere after that, but it's not like it mattered, the way special ED works here is that you're only able to receive the lowest grade of education, they don't have any books for anything else, and even the books for this, which is a simple form of education, were old and had scribbles all over them, the information was often outdated (think slaves build the pyramids kind of stuff during history) you also couldn't really graduate, you'd be offered a certificate that wasn't formally recognized anywhere instead.

autism didn't affect my ability to learn, it affected my ability to be seen as a person worth investing in, it made people uncomfortable, confused or dismissive, and it taught me that nothing about who I am is okay unless it's being edited, hidden, or translated into something more acceptable.

every therapist has the same playbook, they teach you how to 'mask' they tone down everything until people stop flinching, to build a version of yourself that might be tolerated.

but it's not you, it's a costume, and when people like that version it feels worse, because you know they never actually liked you.

they liked the echo you learned how to perform.

I don't even crave deep friendships anymore, I gave up on that long ago., but I still want to be able to go through life without every interaction turning into a slow motion failure, I want to be able to say a sentence without watching someone's expression shift into discomfort.

I want to be able to exist in public without constantly wondering if I'm ruining someone's day just by opening my mouth.


and before anyone tries to say 'just be kind' or 'smile more', I already do that, I listen, I'm quiet, I ask about people, I stay shallow, safe and polite, but it's robotic, the timing's off, the tone is weird, and it doesn't land the way it should, and you can feel it when people pull away, like they're reacting to something instinctively wrong about you, something they can't name, but you can't undo either.


dating is no different, it's actually worse, because rejection there cuts deeper, I don't struggle with my looks (I've got several threads on how to manually adjust your face looks and fix your asymmetries which are common with autism if anyone's interested) I do well on apps, people ask me out, they're curious, but it never lasts, first it's warm, then it's stiff, then it's silence, not because I said anything weird, not because I acted out, just because something about me feels off in a way that's hard to name but impossible to ignore.

and what makes it worse is that I know the problem is me, but I don't know what the problem is.

so you start to resent it, the fact that your face determines whether people even give you the time of day, but your personality, your actual self, determines whether they stay, and no one stays.

because there's something about you that they don't want to be close to, and they don't know how to explain it, so they just don't, they just drift, they ghost, they vanish, you can look good and still be deeply unlovable, because being loved isn't about your face, it's about how people feel around you, and if people feel weird or wrong around you, you can't fix that by contouring your jawline.

people like to give advice, and they probably mean well, they tell you to join communities, and find 'your people' to reframe how you see yourself, to try therapy again, to 'just be patient' someone will see the real you someday' but I've tried, I've been to groups, I've been in plenty communities, I've tried translating myself into something more understandable, but it never works, not even with other autistic people, you don't just magically connect because you share a label, shared struggle doesn't always mean shared understanding.

and most of the time I don't feel misunderstood, I just feel invisible, or even worse, felt in the wrong way, like people just see something strange in me and don't want to look closer, just enough to avoid, just enough to forget.

I don't have a conclusion to this, there isn't one, I'm not looking for advice, I don't think there's a fix, just a slow adjustment to the idea that some of us won't be known in the way we want to, we won't be liked in a way we hope to, and all we can do is survive that fact.
good thread, and this just shows that NT is law. being able to form proper relationships with others is the only actual way of utilizing your looks to get into relationships, whether they be of friendship or romantic.

and it's funny how people say "muh just look good", but looking good is only an introduction of who you are. if you don't look good enough, you won't even get the chance to go any further with any foid, but even if you do look good, you gotta be NT enough to be able to hold conversations and create a proper relationship. this is the same reason why MTNs in friend groups or simply very sociable MTNs mog some HTNs in how many foids they can get into relationships with or just get interest from, cause it stems from NT.
 
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surely foids will stay for giga chad looks
 
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and I don't mean this dramatically, I mean this in the most literal sense possible, it didn't make things harder, it didn't give me a few obstacles of overcome, it rewired the way I relate to the world, to others, and to myself, and the world responded by spitting me out every time I tried to be a part of it.

from the start I was weird and it was obvious (more like obnoxious)

my parents had to put my cradle outside, even in winter, because I wouldn't stop crying inside, I still can't regulate my temperature well and always overheat, I still feel out of place in my own skin and every movement makes me anxious, it makes my skin crawl.

school was fine at first, I talked too much about my interests but people didn't mind, I could learn fine as long as it was engaging, as long as I was interested, there were no major problems.

until the diagnosis hit (and the fire nation attacked)

that changed everything, they shoved me into special ED, they said it was supposed to help, but it was just a warehouse for kids they didn't know what to do with, and what that does to a person can't be undone.

imagine being a kid with no behavioral issues, who just talked too much and didn't get social cues, now you're locked in a room with other kids who scream, fight, throw chairs and get in your face, there was no support, no calm, and you absolutely couldn't learn, it was just chaos and trauma, special education isn't a nice place where people with conditions are helped, it's largely just a dumping ground, mostly for kids who don't have any diagnosis at all but just have shitty parents, as you can imagine they're usually violent, autism wasn't even very common at my school, it was mostly kids with ADHD that didn't take their meds if they had anything at all.

they handed me books meant for elementary school kids when I was in highschool and told me that's all they had, they weren't even pretending anymore, I wasn't supposed to go anywhere after that, but it's not like it mattered, the way special ED works here is that you're only able to receive the lowest grade of education, they don't have any books for anything else, and even the books for this, which is a simple form of education, were old and had scribbles all over them, the information was often outdated (think slaves build the pyramids kind of stuff during history) you also couldn't really graduate, you'd be offered a certificate that wasn't formally recognized anywhere instead.

autism didn't affect my ability to learn, it affected my ability to be seen as a person worth investing in, it made people uncomfortable, confused or dismissive, and it taught me that nothing about who I am is okay unless it's being edited, hidden, or translated into something more acceptable.

every therapist has the same playbook, they teach you how to 'mask' they tone down everything until people stop flinching, to build a version of yourself that might be tolerated.

but it's not you, it's a costume, and when people like that version it feels worse, because you know they never actually liked you.

they liked the echo you learned how to perform.

I don't even crave deep friendships anymore, I gave up on that long ago., but I still want to be able to go through life without every interaction turning into a slow motion failure, I want to be able to say a sentence without watching someone's expression shift into discomfort.

I want to be able to exist in public without constantly wondering if I'm ruining someone's day just by opening my mouth.


and before anyone tries to say 'just be kind' or 'smile more', I already do that, I listen, I'm quiet, I ask about people, I stay shallow, safe and polite, but it's robotic, the timing's off, the tone is weird, and it doesn't land the way it should, and you can feel it when people pull away, like they're reacting to something instinctively wrong about you, something they can't name, but you can't undo either.


dating is no different, it's actually worse, because rejection there cuts deeper, I don't struggle with my looks (I've got several threads on how to manually adjust your face looks and fix your asymmetries which are common with autism if anyone's interested) I do well on apps, people ask me out, they're curious, but it never lasts, first it's warm, then it's stiff, then it's silence, not because I said anything weird, not because I acted out, just because something about me feels off in a way that's hard to name but impossible to ignore.

and what makes it worse is that I know the problem is me, but I don't know what the problem is.

so you start to resent it, the fact that your face determines whether people even give you the time of day, but your personality, your actual self, determines whether they stay, and no one stays.

because there's something about you that they don't want to be close to, and they don't know how to explain it, so they just don't, they just drift, they ghost, they vanish, you can look good and still be deeply unlovable, because being loved isn't about your face, it's about how people feel around you, and if people feel weird or wrong around you, you can't fix that by contouring your jawline.

people like to give advice, and they probably mean well, they tell you to join communities, and find 'your people' to reframe how you see yourself, to try therapy again, to 'just be patient' someone will see the real you someday' but I've tried, I've been to groups, I've been in plenty communities, I've tried translating myself into something more understandable, but it never works, not even with other autistic people, you don't just magically connect because you share a label, shared struggle doesn't always mean shared understanding.

and most of the time I don't feel misunderstood, I just feel invisible, or even worse, felt in the wrong way, like people just see something strange in me and don't want to look closer, just enough to avoid, just enough to forget.

I don't have a conclusion to this, there isn't one, I'm not looking for advice, I don't think there's a fix, just a slow adjustment to the idea that some of us won't be known in the way we want to, we won't be liked in a way we hope to, and all we can do is survive that fact.

Unc this is some crazy lore and I’m glad you opened up here!

If we were to ever meet each other, I would never be weirded out by you and would be your friend!
 
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I still hope for it of course.
you still have time bro you’re not that old

I’m curious what about you exactly makes your potential partners leave you

I don’t know you personally but you seem very nice (not trying to kiss your ass, but I’ve seen you helping guys on this forum)

I doubt that you act too needy, maybe you’re too cold? It’s just doesn’t make sense to me what can be wrong 😕
 
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I know several autists who have long relationships so it can't be just that maybe do some introspection past your illness instead of blaming something but yourself
 
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you still have time bro you’re not that old

I’m curious what about you exactly makes your potential partners leave you

I don’t know you personally but you seem very nice (not trying to kiss your ass, but I’ve seen you helping guys on this forum)

I doubt that you act too needy, maybe you’re too cold? It’s just doesn’t make sense to me what can be wrong 😕
it's actually the opposite, I'm not cold at all, I'm warm, probably too warm, I get close quickly, I care deeply, and I show up consistently, I don't play games, I don’t hold back, I give a lot, emotionally, and that intensity can be overwhelming for some people, especially if they’re not in a place to handle that kind of closeness or vulnerability
 
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it's actually the opposite, I'm not cold at all, I'm warm, probably too warm, I get close quickly, I care deeply, and I show up consistently, I don't play games, I don’t hold back, I give a lot, emotionally, and that intensity can be overwhelming for some people, especially if they’re not in a place to handle that kind of closeness or vulnerability
Sounds like me ngl I attach too quickly 😕
 
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it's actually the opposite, I'm not cold at all, I'm warm, probably too warm, I get close quickly, I care deeply, and I show up consistently, I don't play games, I don’t hold back, I give a lot, emotionally, and that intensity can be overwhelming for some people, especially if they’re not in a place to handle that kind of closeness or vulnerability
We can marry its fine bro ( 20% ban loading.....)
 
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I know several autists who have long relationships so it can't be just that maybe do some introspection past your illness instead of blaming something but yourself
i’m genuinely glad it works out for them, but knowing it’s possible doesn’t mean it’s reachable for everyone, autism isn’t a single experience, it’s a spectrum for a reason, some people can pass better, or mask longer, or naturally fit more palatable molds, some have support systems, some were diagnosed later and spared the worst parts of institutional mistreatment, some just got luckier, better environments, kinder people, more chances. and some of us got the other end of that deal.
 
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it's actually the opposite, I'm not cold at all, I'm warm, probably too warm, I get close quickly, I care deeply, and I show up consistently, I don't play games, I don’t hold back, I give a lot, emotionally, and that intensity can be overwhelming for some people, especially if they’re not in a place to handle that kind of closeness or vulnerability
I’m sure you have tried being a bit colder and giving people some space, that didn’t workout either right?

Like trying to find balance between being warm and cold, kinda obvious but yk
 
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I’m sure you have tried being a bit colder and giving people some space, that didn’t workout either right?

Like trying to find balance between being warm and cold, kinda obvious but yk
that works but it kills me on the inside.
 
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that works but it kills me on the inside.
Nigga I swear I’m the same :forcedsmile:

My instincts tell me to be very needy and warm but holding it back makes me suffer :forcedsmile:
 
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that works but it kills me on the inside.
What if you find a girl who is even more needy though?

Cause I’ve met one who was very very needy, though she was also very hot-tempered and aggressive (masculine energy) which was a deal breaker
 
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it does something to you when you're treated like a system error from day one.


it’s not just a rough patch or a couple of bad years, it’s the whole foundation, you end up building your identity on damage control, and even when things feel “stable,” you’re not growing, you’re just enduring more quietly.


people talk about healing like it’s a road you walk, but what if the road never existed to begin with? what if you were told to build a house on sand and then blamed when it sinks?


I don’t discard people, I don’t flinch at flaws, I expect them, I can stay through someone else’s mess without blinking, not because I’m selfless, but because I understand what it means to be difficult and still want to be loved.


but that grace doesn’t get returned.


people don’t look at me and think, he’s different, but I want to stay, they just feel that difference, instinctively, and slowly back away, no malice, just something quieter, like they’re pulling their hand away from a stove they didn’t know was hot, no warning, no explanation. just that slight shift, then distance, then nothing.


eventually, you stop asking your friends for advice, not because you're too proud, but because you already know, your situation is too strange, too layered, too exhausting to explain one more time, the deeper kind of alienation isn’t when strangers don't understand you, it’s when people who love you don’t.


you watch other autistic people carve something out of the same chaos, they find communities, even if imperfect ones, they manage relationships, they find partners who stay, or at the very least build a solitude that doesn't gnaw at them from the inside out.


but for me, solitude isn’t peace, it’s just silence with sharper edges.


I can fake it, I’ve faked it for years, but the energy cost is enormous, and the return is almost nothing, it’s like tap dancing on a fault line exhausting, unnatural, and you're still alone at the end of it.


every book says the same thing: how to phrase things better, how to mirror people, how to pass, maybe it helps some people, teaches them to smile more believably or script a joke that lands, but none of it gives me a version of myself that others want to stay close to, it just helps me perform a version of myself that doesn’t make people flinch, a costume that doesn’t get picked apart immediately.


and when people do like that version, it doesn’t feel like belonging, it feels like betrayal, because deep down you know, they liked the echo, not the voice.


even work, even on a good day, feels like being slowly sandpapered by existence, every moment is chipped away by invisible effort no one else notices, you’re told to be productive while pretending your entire inner world isn’t in a constant low-grade state of collapse, if you can’t pretend well enough, you’re the issue.


and when you say “autism ruined my life,” people think you’re being dramatic, like you’re just unwilling to see the positives, but it’s not about bitterness, it’s about grief, it’s the mourning of every version of your life that was never allowed to exist, all the doors that never opened, all the selves you never got to be.
This was very beautifully written bhai, you should be a poet. I don't get how people could not like the real you!

but either way I am very sorry for you. Being forced into special ed classes is horrible you should actually look into a lawsuit because if you have high functioning autism you shouldn't be in those classes you can still be in normal ones. They just fucked up ur development for no reason. :cry: If you remember the district and they have ur enrollment files I would actually file a lawsuit against them. Either way the damage is done so I am truly sorry. I hope you can build a genuine connection out there one day , but I understand if you are feeling hopeless. I wish you the best ❤️
 
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What if you find a girl who is even more needy though?

Cause I’ve met one who was very very needy, though she was also very hot-tempered and aggressive (masculine energy) which was a deal breaker
girl?

I don't like women.
 
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