Being shy/socially anxious is worse than being ugly

[bruhtoobrutal]

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[iblamesikk]

ik this htn who doesn’t get any girls because he has a bad personality

 

[kash Register]

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My life

 

[brotato78]

im both thats crazy

 

[vesalius]

if you’re below average you will always be socially anxious

 

[shaqspoosock]

Yeah but most ppl are shy and anxious because they were treated negatively before. Your environment can fs impact what kind of person you are

 

[bruhtoobrutal]

Yeah but most ppl are shy and anxious because

they were treated negatively before. Your environment can fs impact what kind of person you are

Yes this is true
Social anxiety is mostly conditioned throughout your life and experiences, anxiety is just a stop on opportunities. You can condition yourself to be more open, starting small and taking bigger steps each time. There are many drugs that can assist you with this if you pair it along with some type of CBT. You can cry and say you’ll never change, that’s fine no one is coming to save you but yourself. If you set a limit on yourself there will always be one.

I’d rather be a socially accepted LTN than an awkward LTN. That difference makes so much opportunities to new friends, relationships and experiences. NT is law, Look around you and you’ll see that’s true. Looks aren’t everything unless you make them out to be.

 

[bruhtoobrutal]

if you’re below average you will always be socially anxious

Not true

Tell me there’s not one ugly guy you know that is just NT asf and social and manages to have a happy life. If you put that stuff into your brain you’ll always believe you can’t change or don’t have a chance.

 

[chudcell999]

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They call it ND pill and yes it's the god damn truth shy low self-esteem overthinkers are the ones it's truly over for and that includes me it's time to rope.

 

[bruhtoobrutal]

ik this htn who doesn’t get any girls because he has a bad personality

Me too
It’s so fucking over for highinhibcels

 

[shaqspoosock]

Yes this is true
Social anxiety is mostly conditioned throughout your life and experiences, anxiety is just a stop on opportunities. You can condition yourself to be more open, starting small and taking bigger steps each time. There are many drugs that can assist you with this if you pair it along with some type of CBT. You can cry and say you’ll never change, that’s fine no one is coming to save you but yourself. If you set a limit on yourself there will always be one.

I’d rather be a socially accepted LTN than an awkward LTN. That difference makes so much opportunities to new friends, relationships and experiences. NT is law, Look around you and you’ll see that’s true. Looks aren’t everything unless you make them out to be.

Ik I'll always be high inhib but yeah I'm gonna try and make the best of it thanks bro

 

[Panchitosbroncs]

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Shit is actually a fact

 

[vesalius]

Not true

Tell me there’s not one ugly guy you know that is just NT asf and social and manages to have a happy life. If you put that stuff into your brain you’ll always believe you can’t change or don’t have a chance.

no i mean genuinely below average like really difficult to look at will 99% of the time will also be shy

 

[lurker14]

Me too
It’s so fucking over for highinhibcels

brain damage can make you more low inhib

 

[Maxillular]

Being ugly results in being socially anxious JFL

 

[Bacuatii]

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literally my life for the last two years

 

[Tenres]

Not exactly, you could be shy but still be NT in which case you can have a kinda decent life especially if youre gl.

 

[bruhtoobrutal]

They call it ND pill and yes it's the god damn truth shy low self-esteem overthinkers are the ones it's truly over for and that includes me it's time to rope.

Why do you have low self esteem?

Because you don’t get validation from others. Do what makes you happy, set goals and prove small wins to yourself. In reality no one really cares bro, no one.

 

[chudcell999]

Being ugly results in being socially anxious JFL

This can be true but once you ascend you can't forget how people treated you and how people work it's still over after the Ascension.

 

[chudcell999]

Why do you have low self esteem?

Because you don’t get validation from others. Do what makes you happy, set goals and prove small wins to yourself. In reality no one really cares bro, no one.

I'm mtn I have girls that like me on a looks note but I just speak and I can see there interest leave there face along with their smirk it's just over because it's a natural thing being charming its natural there's no exercises you can do All you can do is repeat talking to people and eventually one of them will show enough interest to stay around as you get less awkward because you simply don't care once you get rejected so many times but no it over and it's time to rope but I like hobbies so I'm going to rope later once those fail to maintain a reason to live

 

[spongebobsex]

Im just ugly that’s all I remember I would cope with muh social anxiety but reality is im just ugly

 

[widdi]

I operationalize it as two states: the latent state and the active state.

Latent ND is not changeable one or the other because its genetic, and I don’t mean in the sense of you genetically being ugly as the cause. The cause is just genetic predisposition to autism and other ND disorders.

What you can change is your active ND levels. This can be suppressed due to trauma in the past from being ugly, or can be influenced by exposure and cultural expectations. A ND person in Brazil is going to be way more NT than an ND person in Korea for example. Here, things like drugs and CBT can help but they will only last as long as the environmental stimulus lasts. So as long as the drug is in your system, or you are going to therapy, or you are in a new location etc you more or less can suppress your latent ND to a significant degree. But, this isn’t ever going to be permanent. We don’t have the equivalent of a NT hardmax style attitude adjustment yet, but maybe with gene editing we will in the near future.

Also, America is a very bad society to be ND because people’s social circles’ generally form within the context of a hierarchical tribe ie a frat or football team. Once you realize that these people are never going to be your boys, I’d say like 70-80% or ND people aren’t truly fucked because it’s kind of still in that quirky zone where you can have friends and a good dating life situationally. If you are that kind of ND you are wasting your time trying to navigate all these unspoken social codes because it’s a borderline sisyphean task. The only close friends I end up making end up being roommates, neighbors, or some low tier dudes in an activity that are okay with quitting it and aren’t just blind cult members.

So as for actionable advice what’s worked for me is maximizing exposure in a new location, being very mindful about my intentions and end goals (meditation really helps with this), and occasionally alc/drugs. At the same time, you have to realize that this isn’t an infinite battery you have and you will likely go psycho mode if you try to do this for more than a few months. Those few months are the window for you to get a social circle in order.

 

[bruhtoobrutal]

So as long as the drug is in your system, or you are going to therapy, or you are in a new location etc you more or less can suppress your latent ND to a significant degree. But, this isn’t ever going to be permanent. We don’t have the equivalent of a NT hardmax style attitude adjustment yet, but maybe with gene editing we will in the near future.

Neuroplasticity drugs re-enforce your brain to adapt to change. Reorganize connections and function. In combination with CBT it can massively aid to combat anxiety long term. Of course you can’t just take a drug and expect it to magically cure your lifelong trauma and bad experiences. You need to put effort into truly wanting change.

Set a routine and follow it. Set habits up and follow. Set goals and achieve them.

So as for actionable advice what’s worked for me is maximizing exposure in a new location

Really?
That sounds like ur just scared to face possible criticism. Which I awfully find interesting now. Meeting new people and being around new places is honestly one of the best things that helped with my social life and getting rid of my social anxiety.
Lifelong lessons taught me what to do and what to not do. I always pre-plan my actions.

 

[bruhtoobrutal]

Im just ugly that’s all I remember I would cope with muh social anxiety but reality is im just ugly

I have an ugly friend. Literally one of the ugliest people you’ll ever see.

5’8, Fried hair, acne, severely recessed, bug eyes, Jew nose. He gets flamed for his looks constantly. He still manages to slay, girls don’t even look that bad too. NTmaxed too, many high social ladder friends.

Guess why?
He literally doesn’t give a fuck
He’s constantly the first one to engage in conversations with other people. He’s socially accepted.

Cope all you want man, no one is giving you pity. No one can save you but yourself. Be better become better.

 

[widdi]

Neuroplasticity drugs re-enforce your brain to adapt to change. Reorganize connections and function. In combination with CBT it can massively aid to combat anxiety long term.

My prior is otherwise because 90% of medical interventions to cure genetic non sudden onset issues don’t do it once the treatment stops. Do you have studies that show that there is long term change after usage stops?

That sounds like ur just scared to face possible criticism. Which I awfully find interesting now. Meeting new people and being around new places is honestly one of the best things that helped with my social life and getting rid of my social anxiety.

I wouldn’t say scared but the mental bandwidth requires to get people to overcome their preconceived notions of you from your previous interactions makes it not really worth it

 

[bruhtoobrutal]

I'm mtn I have girls that like me on a looks note but I just speak and I can see there interest leave there face along with their smirk

This unironically used to be me
Girls would want me but I was always to anxious to text them back or be seen with them thinking about what others will think.

It seems like you just have a bland personality, where even chads like Amnesia can’t escape. Personality does matter specially if your MTN. I lowkey can’t help you much, since your personality is just you but adapted based on your experiences and surroundings. Just jestermax tbh, girls love funny guys. Even if it may seem cringe, if she likes you she’ll laugh at the smallest things.

 

[bruhtoobrutal]

My prior is otherwise because 90% of medical interventions to cure genetic non sudden onset issues don’t do it once the treatment stops. Do you have studies that show that there is long term change after usage stops?

No drug will ever truly cure your anxiety.
They can massively help you remission your anxiety. CBT + Neuroplasticity drugs (Most commonly SSRI’s or SNRI’s) have been studied regularly. SSRIS true main purpose isn’t to increase serotonin but to re organise your brain through structural and functional brain changes. For the therapy to be effective you need to force your brain to adapt and change neural pathways, it’s a window for adaption. I do think there are even better options than anti depressants like SSRI’s nowadays with better effects and less side risk profile though studied less.

Comparative Effectiveness and Safety of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and Pharmacotherapy for Childhood Anxiety Disorders: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis - PubMed

Evidence supports the effectiveness of CBT and SSRIs for reducing childhood anxiety symptoms. Serotonin-norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors also appear to be effective based on less consistent evidence. Head-to-head comparisons between various medications and comparisons with CBT represent a need...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I wouldn’t say scared but the mental bandwidth requires to get people to overcome their preconceived notions of you from your previous interactions makes it not really worth it

You just described being scared to get critiqued in another way. Man just look around and think if you can still remember that stupid thing someone did or how ugly and socially anxious that guy was. No one man, no one cares. It’s even better if ur in a new place with new people, you have the ability to change your perception. If you change the way you perceive yourself, others will change the way they perceive you, ultimately you will believe they perceive you differently than your previous interpretations. Your past doesn’t define you, your bad experiences are meant to be lessons not mental restrictions on yourself to avoid possible scenarios unlikely to happen.

If you keep this mindset you will likely stay the same forever, It is worth it, very worth it.

 

[Troo_]

Most ppl are socially anxious and awkward because they’re ugly tho

 

[spongebobsex]

I have an ugly friend. Literally one of the ugliest people you’ll ever see.

5’8, Fried hair, acne, severely recessed, bug eyes, Jew nose. He gets flamed for his looks constantly. He still manages to slay, girls don’t even look that bad too. NTmaxed too, many high social ladder friends.

Guess why?
He literally doesn’t give a fuck
He’s constantly the first one to engage in conversations with other people. He’s socially accepted.

Cope all you want man, no one is giving you pity. No one can save you but yourself. Be better become better.

This is true I wouldn’t become a friend with a chad if I didn’t initiate the convo first and when I touched base with this chad he told me he missed me since he moved honestly need to stop thinking about like I’m ugly I had the potential to slay tbh

 

[toji.]

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I have specific social anxiety and diagnosed depression. I am also MTN, according to several forum users.

What I can say from my experience is that when I was in school, I didn't leave the classroom, and rumors began to spread that I was someone mysterious and interesting. Just because I didn't talk to anyone.

Now imagine if you are HTN or a shy CL. Again, if you look good, it's not a problem.

I desagree with other point: I think it's more painful to be sociable but ugly and constantly suffer rejection than to be ugly and shy.

 

[VrillFatNoob24]

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imagine being both

 

[Luquier]

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I disagree

Shyness is an consequence not a cause

 

[bruhtoobrutal]

imagine being both

me in 2024
truly over

need to stop thinking about like I’m ugly I had the potential to slay tbh

you do, whatever you believe you are you will behave that way.
Most people can slay if they changed things
I would only consider some, a small portion of the world actual unsaveable truecels. Which is unlikely you fall into that category.

 

[greedpsl]

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jfl

 

[Ultimate Subhuman™]

Bald Lion

 

[kwk3998]

if you’re below average you will always be socially anxious

Not necessarily. The people you grow up with will impact this heavily

 

[ER1887]

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Guess what Im both! ND and Ltn

 

[ER1887]

I have specific social anxiety and diagnosed depression. I am also MTN, according to several forum users.

What I can say from my experience is that when I was in school, I didn't leave the classroom, and rumors began to spread that I was someone mysterious and interesting. Just because I didn't talk to anyone.

Now imagine if you are HTN or a shy CL. Again, if you look good, it's not a problem.

I desagree with other point: I think it's more painful to be sociable but ugly and constantly suffer rejection than to be ugly and shy.

Tbf I feel like being ND effects sub5s and LTNs significantly more than MTN HTN and CL. I could even argue than being ND could sometimes increase your SMV if ur CL

 

[Wexilarious]

then don't be shy

 

[bruhtoobrutal]

I have specific social anxiety and diagnosed depression. I am also MTN, according to several forum users.

What I can say from my experience is that when I was in school, I didn't leave the classroom, and rumors began to spread that I was someone mysterious and interesting. Just because I didn't talk to anyone.

Now imagine if you are HTN or a shy CL. Again, if you look good, it's not a problem

You’re just ND dude

Even if u were HTN u’d be seen as weird by others. I literally know HTNS who are ND and can’t slay. How the fuck would being more attractive make you more socially acceptable. If your weird your weird. Looks can only mask your ND to a certain point.

I desagree with other point: I think it's more painful to be sociable but ugly and constantly suffer rejection than to be ugly and shy.

so your scared to even try?
you disagree because your socially anxious you don’t even bother trying because you already know inside your mind that you’ll just be turned down.

It is likely that you get rejected as an ugly guy but what are the negative outcomes of it? Try and try again and again. There will always be someone out there for you.

 

[bruhtoobrutal]

Tbf I feel like being ND effects sub5s and LTNs significantly more than MTN HTN and CL.

Captain Obvious

I could even argue than being ND could sometimes increase your SMV if ur CL

no it wouldn’t, dumbest shit I’ve heard
you’ve been watching too many movies

 

[ER1887]

Captain Obvious

no it wouldn’t, dumbest shit I’ve heard
you’ve been watching too many movies

Nah bro I feel like some foids would find ND HTN and CL more interesting. That’s why I said sometimes. But more often than not its the opposite, but its just that the effects are not as devastating as the effect it has on MTN and sub5s