Best first cycle?

[clungehunter]

For context I’m 19 and have been going gym for 3/4 years and am naturally athletic. I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s time to take some peds. Any advice on this cycle would be greatly appreciated. I have done my own research but a second opinion wouldn’t hurt. (I am trying to minimise side effects).


12 week cycle:
300mg Test E pinned 150mg every 3.5 days.
250iu hCG twice a week (same days as test shots) helps prevent teste shrinkage and makes recovery easier and faster
Arimidex: only use 0.25mg if needed
Anavar 20-30mg daily but only on the lags 6 weeks.

Daily supports:
TUDCA (500mg) + NAC (1200mg); Astragulus
Root (4000mg) helps the liver and the kidney
Citrus bergamot (500mg), high dose of fish oil (3-4g); CoQ10(200mg) this is for the heart and cholesterol
Cialis/tadalafil (5mg daily) for better flow and lower pressure.

PCT
Encloiphene 12.5mg daily for 4 weeks 2 weeks after cycle stops. Better than old school clomid for mood sides
Nolvadex 20mg daily for 4weeks to help restart natural test.

Must do light cardio 4x a week at 20/30mins to keep heart happy and diet must be good as well.
Get blood work done at week 6

 

[akaorigin]

at 19 your natural testosterone is still near its peak. shutting it down this early isnt something i would do from a developmental endocrinology standpoint but if youre set on it then simplify the plan heavily

drop the anavar completely. first cycle should be test only so you can actually see how your body responds without extra variables and liver stress. 300mg test e with 250iu hcg 2x week is reasonable and smart. your support stack is solid

enclomiphene by itself is enough for pct you dont need to stack it with nolvadex. also get full bloodwork before you start not just at week 6

 

[clungehunter]

at 19 your natural testosterone is still near its peak. shutting it down this early isnt something i would do from a developmental endocrinology standpoint but if youre set on it then simplify the plan heavily

drop the anavar completely. first cycle should be test only so you can actually see how your body responds without extra variables and liver stress. 300mg test e with 250iu hcg 2x week is reasonable and smart. your support stack is solid

enclomiphene by itself is enough for pct you dont need to stack it with nolvadex. also get full bloodwork before you start not just at week 6

Not set on it yet but something I’ve been looking into for quite some time. I see people on here going on stuff at like 15/16 which I do find crazy. I’ve heard of loads of influencers who hopped on at 19/20. What would you say is the best age to start?

 

[akaorigin]

Not set on it yet but something I’ve been looking into for quite some time. I see people on here going on stuff at like 15/16 which I do find crazy. I’ve heard of loads of influencers who hopped on at 19/20. What would you say is the best age to start?

best age is 24-26 at the absolute earliest. your brain isnt fully developed until around 25 and your endocrine system is still calibrating. shutting down natural production before then carries real long term risks on mood regulation, fertility, and how well you can recover later

a lot of these kids starting at 19 are burning their prime hormonal years for ego. if you can wait until mid 20s you will thank yourself later

 

[clungehunter]

best age is 24-26 at the absolute earliest. your brain isnt fully developed until around 25 and your endocrine system is still calibrating. shutting down natural production before then carries real long term risks on mood regulation, fertility, and how well you can recover later

a lot of these kids starting at 19 are burning their prime hormonal years for ego. if you can wait until mid 20s you will thank yourself later

Thanks for the advice. I was considering peptides but lowk they are just cope which is why I opted to research more into testosterone as it’s been around much longer and it’s predictable yk.

 

[akaorigin]

Thanks for the advice. I was considering peptides but lowk they are just cope which is why I opted to research more into testosterone as it’s been around much longer and it’s predictable yk.

yeah peptides are mostly cope for what most people want. majority of them have weak effects inconsistent results and ridiculous prices. test is way more predictable and actually does what its supposed to do

just dont rush into it at 19. if youre gonna do it eventually at least wait until your early 20s so you dont fuck up your natural baseline while its still peaking

 

[clungehunter]

yeah peptides are mostly cope for what most people want. majority of them have weak effects inconsistent results and ridiculous prices. test is way more predictable and actually does what its supposed to do

just dont rush into it at 19. if youre gonna do it eventually at least wait until your early 20s so you dont fuck up your natural baseline while its still peaking

Appreciate the advice, I’ll deffo take into account

 

[purpleskulltrooper]

best age is 24-26 at the absolute earliest

reporting live from Tel Aviv

 

[clungehunter]

Bump

 

[notaTQ]

at 19 your natural testosterone is still near its peak. shutting it down this early isnt something i would do from a developmental endocrinology standpoint but if youre set on it then simplify the plan heavily

drop the anavar completely. first cycle should be test only so you can actually see how your body responds without extra variables and liver stress. 300mg test e with 250iu hcg 2x week is reasonable and smart. your support stack is solid

enclomiphene by itself is enough for pct you dont need to stack it with nolvadex. also get full bloodwork before you start not just at week 6

this is chatgpt approved, pls dont use chatgpt makes u look like u cant think for urself

 

[boxing-cel]

500mg Test
25mg Var

20 weeks

 

[akaorigin]

this is chatgpt approved, pls dont use chatgpt makes u look like u cant think for urself

i dont use chatgpt at all. ive just been reading about this stuff for a while thats why it sounds like that

 

[notaTQ]

reading from..

 

[nakus]

idiotic cycle veryyy little results from only 12 weeks of a long acting ester

its 300mg aswell so yes youll have more testosterone but nothing too crazy

this will basically do nothing

especially since you wanna pct after this mild of a cycle its literally just trt+

why would you supress yourself and stress your organs for natty+ gains you will literally gain almost nothing cause of the dose and especially the length you’rs young your T levels are not that low that 300mg will be a huge difference for you

do more research

 

[clungehunter]

idiotic cycle veryyy little results from only 12 weeks of a long acting ester

its 300mg aswell so yes youll have more testosterone but nothing too crazy

this will basically do nothing

especially since you wanna pct after this mild of a cycle its literally just trt+

why would you supress yourself and stress your organs for natty+ gains you will literally gain almost nothing cause of the dose and especially the length you’rs young your T levels are not that low that 300mg will be a huge difference for you

do more research

I’ve done heaps of research. 300mg is enough to increase my test by potentially 2000ng/dl. That’s more than enough to help with gym. I don’t want to be some meatball of just muscle, Tryna be lean. I’ve already got a decent physique, I’m just trying to fine tune it now by getting slightly less body fat whilst still gaining slight muscle.

I guess you’re kind of right that it’s trt+. Trt avg dose is 150 so I’m still doing double that at my peak testosterone levels so my gains will be decent. If I was 30 pinning 300 it would be pointless really.

From what I’ve gathered either way the suppression is mild due to the dosage and length and the pct has a 95% chance of recovering fully within a 12 month time frame (with hCG).

Yet again tho I guess the 12 weeks isn’t too long considering the gains won’t be noticeable till around week 8. Idk tho I’m just getting opinions and I do appreciate your response. Realistically it’s down to the person, some people may experience no sides where as it could effect others worse.

 

[nakus]

I’ve done heaps of research. 300mg is enough to increase my test by potentially 2000ng/dl. That’s more than enough to help with gym. I don’t want to be some meatball of just muscle, Tryna be lean. I’ve already got a decent physique, I’m just trying to fine tune it now by getting slightly less body fat whilst still gaining slight muscle.

I guess you’re kind of right that it’s trt+. Trt avg dose is 150 so I’m still doing double that at my peak testosterone levels so my gains will be decent. If I was 30 pinning 300 it would be pointless really.

From what I’ve gathered either way the suppression is mild due to the dosage and length and the pct has a 95% chance of recovering fully within a 12 month time frame (with hCG).

Yet again tho I guess the 12 weeks isn’t too long considering the gains won’t be noticeable till around week 8. Idk tho I’m just getting opinions and I do appreciate your response. Realistically it’s down to the person, some people may experience no sides where as it could effect others worse.

i get you perspective

but unless your a very good responder 300mg of test is mild it might seem like 2000ng/dl of stable levels is alot on paper and yea it can be but only when ran for long periods of time

12 weeks is fair if your running harmful compounds like tren, for example I would run that for 12 weeks

but for your first cycle of test you wanna aim for 25-35 weeks thats when the effects really do make a difference, test is a long game you need to run it for a while for it to do something especially at 300mg

for example im on week 8 of 500mg/w right now and the strength gains have been nice but the actual mass gaining is only starting now so imagine cutting my mass gaining to only 4 weeks, why would you supress yourself and harm your organs for basically no gains?

at 19 you WILL recover from 30 weeks of test, it might just take longer for some people the dose is fine but dont lock yourself to 300mg if u tolerate it fine you can increase it later on

but preset cycle lengths is the dumbest thing you can ever do, you wanna run stuff for aslong as possible aslong as bloods are good 25-35 weeks of test only is the sweet spot and i cant stress this enough

U HAVE TO BE SURE UR NEVER RUNNING GEAR AGAIN IF UR PCT’ing

if not pct’ing is retarded, cruising is way healthier and you can perfectly fine pct after a couple of years on gear

 

[clungehunter]

i get you perspective

but unless your a very good responder 300mg of test is mild it might seem like 2000ng/dl of stable levels is alot on paper and yea it can be but only when ran for long periods of time

12 weeks is fair if your running harmful compounds like tren, for example I would run that for 12 weeks

but for your first cycle of test you wanna aim for 25-35 weeks thats when the effects really do make a difference, test is a long game you need to run it for a while for it to do something especially at 300mg

for example im on week 8 of 500mg/w right now and the strength gains have been nice but the actual mass gaining is only starting now so imagine cutting my mass gaining to only 4 weeks, why would you supress yourself and harm your organs for basically no gains?

at 19 you WILL recover from 30 weeks of test, it might just take longer for some people the dose is fine but dont lock yourself to 300mg if u tolerate it fine you can increase it later on

but preset cycle lengths is the dumbest thing you can ever do, you wanna run stuff for aslong as possible aslong as bloods are good 25-35 weeks of test only is the sweet spot and i cant stress this enough

U HAVE TO BE SURE UR NEVER RUNNING GEAR AGAIN IF UR PCT’ing

if not pct’ing is retarded, cruising is way healthier and you can perfectly fine pct after a couple of years on gear

Okay thanks this is really helpful. I mean the only reason I would do a lower cycle is due to preserving my fertility. So would you say it just makes much more sense to start off with Mayeb 300 and then up it to 500 after a few weeks monitoring side effects to see what happens?

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

Citrus bergamot (500mg), high dose of fish oil (3-4g);

You can just remove this and get rosuvastin

Up the test, you need dutasteride, run the test longer and pin ed

 

[clungehunter]

You can just remove this and get rosuvastin

Up the test, you need dutasteride, run the test longer and pin ed

My main concern is just permanent infertility. I’d happily up test and cycle length if the chances were still the same if that makes sense,

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

My main concern is just permanent infertility. I’d happily up test and cycle length if the chances were still the same if that makes sense,

The chances are pretty mich the same past a trt dose (50-125mg). But infertility wont happen permsnently

 

[clungehunter]

The chances are pretty mich the same past a trt dose (50-125mg). But infertility wont happen permsnently

Is that with hCG and proper pct? Also what length and dosage would you recommend?

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

Is that with hCG and proper pct? Also what length and dosage would you recommend?

Just take hcg 10 weeks, start 5 weeks earlier thsn your last pin, 250 eod. All you need

 

[clungehunter]

Is that with hCG and proper pct? Also what length and dosage would you recommend?

Just take hcg 10 weeks, start 5 weeks earlier thsn your last pin, 250 eod. All you need

On 500 test?

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

On 500 test?

Yes

 

[clungehunter]

Yes

Sweet, appreciate the advice man. I’m gonna keep doing a bit of extra research until im actually 100% certain that I know what I want to do.

 

[clungehunter]

Yes

For context I’m 19 and have been going gym for 3/4 years and am naturally athletic. I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s time to take some peds. Any advice on this cycle would be greatly appreciated. I have done my own research but a second opinion wouldn’t hurt. (I am trying to minimise side effects).


12 week cycle:
300mg Test E pinned 150mg every 3.5 days.
250iu hCG twice a week (same days as test shots) helps prevent teste shrinkage and makes recovery easier and faster
Arimidex: only use 0.25mg if needed
Anavar 20-30mg daily but only on the lags 6 weeks.

Daily supports:
TUDCA (500mg) + NAC (1200mg); Astragulus
Root (4000mg) helps the liver and the kidney
Citrus bergamot (500mg), high dose of fish oil (3-4g); CoQ10(200mg) this is for the heart and cholesterol
Cialis/tadalafil (5mg daily) for better flow and lower pressure.

PCT
Encloiphene 12.5mg daily for 4 weeks 2 weeks after cycle stops. Better than old school clomid for mood sides
Nolvadex 20mg daily for 4weeks to help restart natural test.

Must do light cardio 4x a week at 20/30mins to keep heart happy and diet must be good as well.
Get blood work done at week 6

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