best forward growth appliance?

[YoungRichNigga]

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considering going on treatment once I get the money.
Currently considering MSE or AGGA. Which one is better?

and what are some other forward growth appliances or treatments that i can go on?

 

[Deluded Normie]

Currently considering MSE or AGGA. Which one is better?

If i am not wrong, MSE would give you only transversal expansion.

 

[nothingelse2do]

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considering going on treatment once I get the money.
Currently considering MSE or AGGA. Which one is better?

and what are some other forward growth appliances or treatments that i can go on?

it's pretty known that AGGA doesn't work at all actually, it pushes solely on the alveolar process and if used long enough you risk literally pushing your incisors through your alveolar bone depending on how thick it is to begin with. the claim that there is any sort of magic spot or point at which your nerves decide to bundle themselves on your upper palate and that when pushed, will result in magical bone growth or blast/clast stimulation is just pure snake oil and a pitch clearly designed to target people who don't know any better.

MSE (assuming it was done with custom splits and with enough expansion force overtime) accompanied by a FM and MSDO to fix your bite would aide in complete 3D growth accounting for both transversal and sagittal growth (forward and horizontal)

 

[Elias]

it's pretty known that AGGA doesn't work at all actually, it pushes solely on the alveolar process and if used it enough you risk literally pushing your incisors through your alveolar bone depending on how thick it is to begin with. the claim that there is any sort of magic spot or point at which your nerves decide to bundle themselves on your upper palate and that when pushed, will result in magical bone growth or blast/clast stimulation is just pure snake oil and a pitch clearly designed to target people who don't know any better.

MSE (assuming it was done with custom splits and with enough expansion force overtime) accompanied by a FM and MSDO to fix your bite would aide in complete 3D growth accounting for both transversal and sagittal growth (forward and horizontal)

+ Angle the facebow at a upward angle and you’ll achieve coronal growth too (in theory)

 

[YoungRichNigga]

it's pretty known that AGGA doesn't work at all actually, it pushes solely on the alveolar process and if used long enough you risk literally pushing your incisors through your alveolar bone depending on how thick it is to begin with. the claim that there is any sort of magic spot or point at which your nerves decide to bundle themselves on your upper palate and that when pushed, will result in magical bone growth or blast/clast stimulation is just pure snake oil and a pitch clearly designed to target people who don't know any better.

MSE (assuming it was done with custom splits and with enough expansion force overtime) accompanied by a FM and MSDO to fix your bite would aide in complete 3D growth accounting for both transversal and sagittal growth (forward and horizontal)

I had MSE treatment when I was 11-12 as it was apart of the orthodontic treatment for me to get braces. I got decent palate and maxilla expansion but it all went for nothing after the braces came in and the extraction of one of my pre-molars. Now im missing one upper pre-molar and unaligned teeth due to the extraction and im looking into MSE treatment again so i can have enough space to get a pre-molar implant.

 

[Elias]

I had MSE treatment when I was 11-12 as it was apart of the orthodontic treatment for me to get braces. I got decent palate and maxilla expansion but it all went for nothing after the braces came in and the extraction of one of my pre-molars. Now im missing one upper pre-molar and unaligned teeth due to the extraction and im looking into MSE treatment again so i can have enough space to get a pre-molar implant.

Are you sure it was MSE? It might have been another type of SARPE. I dont think even MSE existed that long ago

 

[YoungRichNigga]

Are you sure it was MSE? It might have been another type of SARPE. I dont think even MSE existed that long ago

actually nvm you're right it might have been SARPE, but what's the difference anyways? Im 17 btw

 

[Elias]

actually nvm you're right it might have been SARPE, but what's the difference anyways?

MSE is way better
You can expand more, it splits the suture better because its drilled further into the palate etc
You can also combine it with a facemask for forward growth

 

[YoungRichNigga]

MSE is way better
You can expand more, it splits the suture better because its drilled further into the palate etc
You can also combine it with a facemask for forward growth

WIll i be able to benefit from MSE treatment at 17? And where would I need to look?

 

[Elias]

WIll i be able to benefit from MSE treatment at 17? And where would I need to look?

Yes
Ronald ead expanded laterally 11mm at the age of 29

You can get very good results

Depends where you live. US and Spain have a lot of MSE orthodontists

 

[YoungRichNigga]

Yes
Ronald ead expaded laterally 11mm at the age of 29

You can get very good results

Depends where you live. US and Spain have a lot of MSE orthodontists

I live in the mid-atlantic region east coast U.S.. I'm plannining on getting treatment once I get a job and get the money, how much does it usually cost?

 

[Elias]

I live in the mid-atlantic region east coast U.S.. I'm plannining on getting treatment once I get a job and get the money, how much does it usually cost?

You’re sorted then

It’ll cost around £2000-3000, depends on your orthodontist

Just save up £500 and try to get a treatment plan and pay little by little

 

[nothingelse2do]

so i just saw images of AGGA post treatment and my suspicions are confirmed.

the gaps caused by agga are basically just indicative of teeth shifting before the premolars. there is virtually 0 actual bending or shifting of the maxilla let alone any real movement of the alveolar process, it's just pushing every tooth that is before the premolars (incisors, lateral incisors and canines) forward and through the alveolar bone by brute force which gives the false impression of growth where in reality there is none.

 

[YoungRichNigga]

so i just saw images of AGGA post treatment and my suspicions are confirmed.

the gaps caused by agga are basically just indicative of teeth shifting before the premolars. there is virtually 0 actual bending or shifting of the maxilla let alone any real movement of the alveolar process, it's just pushing every tooth that is before the premolars (incisors, lateral incisors and canines) forward and through the alveolar bone by brute force which gives the false impression of growth where in reality there is none.

so i should just stick to MSE treatment then. will MSE give me enough palatal expansion to reverse the effects of braces and possibly give room for a pre-molar transplant since my pre-molar was extracted?

 

[nothingelse2do]

so i should just stick to MSE treatment then. will MSE give me enough palatal expansion to reverse the effects of braces and possibly give room for a pre-molar transplant since my pre-molar was extracted?

pretty much, i can't think of anything better than MSE in terms of surgically assisted expansion. as for your premolar transplant i'm not sure. the focus is to at least cover up/fill the affected area so that you can halt further bone resorption. if a transplant can do that for you then by all means go for it

i wish you the best of luck in your endeavors and hope you can keep us updated with your progress


quick edit: to account for bite you would probably have to accompany the expansion of your upper palate with some kind of lower jaw expansion

 

[YoungRichNigga]

pretty much, i can't think of anything better than MSE in terms of surgically assisted expansion. as for your premolar transplant i'm not sure. the focus is to at least cover up/fill the affected area so that you can halt further bone resorption. if a transplant can do that for you then by all means go for it

i wish you the best of luck in your endeavors and hope you can keep us updated with your progress


quick edit: to account for bite you would probably have to accompany the expansion of your upper palate with some kind of lower jaw expansion

what kind of lower jaw expansion treatment would i be looking at? I have an underbite rn.

 

[nothingelse2do]

what kind of lower jaw expansion treatment would i be looking at? I have an underbite rn.

usually MSE is accompanied by mandibular symphyseal distraction osteogenesis (MSDO) or an expander of some sort. an underbite however warrants immediate advancement of the maxilla, with a facepuller or some sort of osteotomy

 

[LebenistneHure]

Would forward growth gained from a FM cause perceived midface length to change? And could MSE change IPD? In some thread I saw it could increase IPD by 1-2 mms.

 

[YoungRichNigga]

Would forward growth gained from a FM cause perceived midface length to change? And could MSE change IPD? In some thread I saw it could increase IPD by 1-2 mms.

it may cause midface ratio to change since you're expanding the maxilla outwards you'd have wider cheekbones and face, but i highly doubt MSE change IPD since you're only expanding the inner maxilla outwards which have minimal connections to your eye sockets.