Calvinist compatibilism is fucking retarded and I will explain why poorly

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It makes absolutely no logical sense, but they hide behind the idea of it being a “mystery” and that there are other mysteries in the Bible, so it’s perfectly fine.

Here’s the difference: those other differences are simply a matter of us perceiving reality at a lower plane of existence. The mystery of the Trinity? Jesus being fully Man and God? We’re just lower level entities, so we’re not going to understand it. We can’t even understand the quantum realm 100%, but there’s certainly a logic in that stuff, or reality would flat out not function.

That is different from the mystery of how a blatantly logically inconsistent idea can be true. Compatibilism is like asking God to create a square circle. Obviously, He can’t make one. Does that mean He’s not omnipotent? No, He just can’t do something that logically contradicts itself. That’s stupid.

Btw I guarantee you, every single time a Calvinist is going to defend their point on this topic, they’re going to commit a fallacy of false distinction or of begging the question.

“He simply preordained sin, but he still maintains control over all that is to come” - false distinction, no matter how much word salad is employed. There is no real difference. Even R.C Sproul slipped up and said that God created sin, thus literally making Him the author of sin, the most terrifying prospect to any mainstream Calvinist. At least the guy was just blatantly honest about how his position is determinism but packaged a bit more neatly for the masses.

“It’s true. How does it make sense? I don’t know, but it’s true because Scripture agrees with my interpretation, so you better believe it!” - begging the question. It is *only* appropriate if you were *100%* certain that YOUR denomination is entirely correct and all the others are wrong. Anyone this assured (conceited) has either done zero outside research or is just ignorant. Even if you WERE correct, you aren’t convincing anybody.

Free will or determinism. Which way? I don’t know for certain. I will do more research and come to a conclusion at some point. But making an unholy marriage of the two ideas is downright dumb.

 

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Let’s see if this thread gets more action than the thread I made about masturbating with two hands feeling better

 

[NZb6Air]

nigga said calvinist, every religion has this retarded paralogism at their core

god knows and laid down everything (no free will)

u have free will and are being judged over it (morality presupposes free will)

bump

 

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nigga said calvinist, every religion has this retarded paralogism at their core

god knows and laid down everything (no free will)

u have free will and are being judged over it (morality presupposes free will)

bump

I just mentioned Calvinists because my family and church are Calvinist but I can’t speak up

I’m gonna start my own denomination at this rate

 

[mathis]

nigga said calvinist, every religion has this retarded paralogism at their core

god knows and laid down everything (no free will)

u have free will and are being judged over it (morality presupposes free will)

bump

Free will is a myth in religions and also in real life

 

[NZb6Air]

I just mentioned Calvinists because my family and church are Calvinist but I can’t speak up

I’m gonna start my own denomination at this rate

you're just gonna stop being an npc (dogmatic) if u actually start thinking about these concepts

also try to larp that u're still religious to them and shit or over for ur incel ass

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

nigga said calvinist, every religion has this retarded paralogism at their core

god knows and laid down everything (no free will)

u have free will and are being judged over it (morality presupposes free will)

bump

Knowing something doesn’t mean your responsible for that thing.

Calavanists believe god is not only aware of what will happen but is actually pushing and forcing people into their situation.

This means those who are going to hell are doomed before they are born because god wants them to go there.


Normal Christian belief is that your given free will and god leaves it up to you to do what you want and where you end up is 100% your own fault he doesn’t desire you to be removed from him but once again free will. Sometimes god will intervene and show signs etc to people but generally he stays out of it. The same cannot be said for Calvinism, but I can understand why many believe in Calvinism, Islam is extremely Calvinistic tbh with all Islamic schools holding to predeterministic beliefs

 

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you're just gonna stop being an npc (dogmatic) if u actually start thinking about these concepts

also try to larp that u're still religious to them and shit or over for ur incel ass

That’s why I will keep doing more research and thinking

There’s many things that I don’t know that I can still learn

 

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Knowing something doesn’t mean your responsible for that thing.

Calavanists believe god is not only aware of what will happen but is actually pushing and forcing people into their situation.

This means those who are going to hell are doomed before they are born because god wants them to go there.


Normal Christian belief is that your given free will and god leaves it up to you to do what you want and where you end up is 100% your own fault he doesn’t desire you to be removed from him but once again free will. Sometimes god will intervene and show signs etc to people but generally he stays out of it. The same cannot be said for Calvinism, but I can understand why many believe in Calvinism, Islam is extremely Calvinistic tbh with all Islamic schools holding to predeterministic beliefs

Cool to see you here bro thank you for da contribution

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I just mentioned Calvinists because my family and church are Calvinist but I can’t speak up

I’m gonna start my own denomination at this rate

This shit here is why Protestantism is 100% a cult set up by satan himself.


How can you idiots so willy nilly set up and start your own CULTs I’ll call them what they are. Have you Protestant idiots any shame? Any integrity for Christianity? If you want the truth I say read what the church fathers taught, read the ecumenical councils, read the Apostles and the early saints.

Then once done you’ll be led to reality that only the Eastern Orthodox Church follows the belief and creed of the first Christian’s, we are the ONLY church the ONLY Christians that hold the SAME VIEW AS THE EARLY CHRUCH THE ECUMENICAL COUNCILS AND HAVE HAD 0 CHANGES.


If you want to remain ignorant in a stupid Protestant Heretical nightmare full of confused idiots who can’t understand the bible then remain as a Calvinist or start your own out of the 41,000 Protestant cults worldwide where you all profess to have the correct interpretation of scripture using nothing but your own feelings instead of listening to history, saints and what the apostles said.

 

[NZb6Air]

This shit here is why Protestantism is 100% a cult set up by satan himself.


How can you idiots so willy nilly set up and start your own CULTs I’ll call them what they are. Have you Protestant idiots any shame? Any integrity for Christianity? If you want the truth I say read what the church fathers taught, read the ecumenical councils, read the Apostles and the early saints.

Then once done you’ll be led to reality that only the Eastern Orthodox Church follows the belief and creed of the first Christian’s, we are the ONLY church the ONLY Christians that hold the SAME VIEW AS THE EARLY CHRUCH THE ECUMENICAL COUNCILS AND HAVE HAD 0 CHANGES.


If you want to remain ignorant in a stupid Protestant Heretical nightmare full of confused idiots who can’t understand the bible then remain as a Calvinist or start your own out of the 41,000 Protestant cults worldwide where you all profess to have the correct interpretation of scripture using nothing but your own feelings instead of listening to history, saints and what the apostles said.

Over for you if ur name isn't on the book of life, literally never began

 

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This shit here is why Protestantism is 100% a cult set up by satan himself.


How can you idiots so willy nilly set up and start your own CULTs I’ll call them what they are. Have you Protestant idiots any shame? Any integrity for Christianity? If you want the truth I say read what the church fathers taught, read the ecumenical councils, read the Apostles and the early saints.

Then once done you’ll be led to reality that only the Eastern Orthodox Church follows the belief and creed of the first Christian’s, we are the ONLY church the ONLY Christians that hold the SAME VIEW AS THE EARLY CHRUCH THE ECUMENICAL COUNCILS AND HAVE HAD 0 CHANGES.


If you want to remain ignorant in a stupid Protestant Heretical nightmare full of confused idiots who can’t understand the bible then remain as a Calvinist or start your own out of the 41,000 Protestant cults worldwide where you all profess to have the correct interpretation of scripture using nothing but your own feelings instead of listening to history, saints and what the apostles said.

It just was a joke bhai. I’m going to research about the early church and Catholicism in general, too. I have a friend who’s catholic, and he gives good insights.

I’m definitely open minded rn

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

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It just was a joke bhai. I’m going to research about the early church and Catholicism in general, too. I have a friend who’s catholic, and he gives good insights.

I’m definitely open minded rn

Roman Catholicism is also a confused mess.
I won’t go into it here hence the edit I feel bad.

Essentially Roman Catholicism is full of new invented nonsensical bullshit they are unironically not much better than Protestants

But yes look into it all

 

[spongebob]

Nobody asked but ok