Can high cortisol close growth plates early?

[Deleted member 79837]

Like high cortisol from for example lifting too heavy (ex. Powerlifting, ego lifting) and too much while not sleeping well and not eating enough. This would lead to higher cortisol levels in your body which would supress hgh production. Which normally should mean that growth plates fusing gets delayed as less igf1 means slower growth which means slower bone aging.

But I heard some people say high cortisol causes premature growth plate closure so what is it?

 

[elemanzelvadre]

does not change

my gymcel friend grew 8 inches in high school

Maybe because you enlarge the veins, the bone receives more nutrients and you grow longer

 

[Jonas2k7]

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[Inosebreathonly]

Like high cortisol from for example lifting too heavy (ex. Powerlifting, ego lifting) and too much while not sleeping well and not eating enough. This would lead to higher cortisol levels in your body which would supress hgh production. Which normally should mean that growth plates fusing gets delayed as less igf1 means slower growth which means slower bone aging.

But I heard some people say high cortisol causes premature growth plate closure so what is it?

Cortisol=low T3=high estrogen so..

 

[Deleted member 79837]

Cortisol=low T3=high estrogen so..

Cortisol=lower t=lower e2

 

[Inosebreathonly]

Cortisol=lower t=lower e2

There are also studies showing cortisol increases aromatisation both in vivo and vitro

 

[Deleted member 79837]

There are also studies showing cortisol increases aromatisation both in vivo and vitro

High cortisol also means slightly lower igf1 which normally should mean slower bone aging. Overall I think it doesn‘t really affects the speed of growth plate closure.

do you think heavy weightlifting/ego lifting (like squatting 1,5x of your bodyweight after just 2 months lifting as a beginner) combined with bad sleep and not enough protein intake could accelerate growth plates closure?

I read that stress on growth plates like during squats could cause microtrauma which could signal the growth plates to close in order to protect themselves but sounds like cope to me.

Also I think because muscles have to get repaired and theres already not enough protein it would all go to muscles instead skeleton which would theoretically delay the closure of growth plates as no bone growth occurs

 

[univer]

Like high cortisol from for example lifting too heavy (ex. Powerlifting, ego lifting) and too much while not sleeping well and not eating enough. This would lead to higher cortisol levels in your body which would supress hgh production. Which normally should mean that growth plates fusing gets delayed as less igf1 means slower growth which means slower bone aging.

But I heard some people say high cortisol causes premature growth plate closure so what is it?

Yes it does. High cortisol messes up your hormones which definitely isn't healthy for growth plate closure.

However, you mentioned lifting too heavy, but actually that isn't something to worry about. Lifting too heavily spikes your cortisol but only temporarily. Chronically high cortisol is what really messes you up, which you can get from not sleeping well and not eating enough.

 

[Deleted member 79837]

Yes it does. High cortisol messes up your hormones which definitely isn't healthy for growth plate closure.

However, you mentioned lifting too heavy, but actually that isn't something to worry about. Lifting too heavily spikes your cortisol but only temporarily. Chronically high cortisol is what really messes you up, which you can get from not sleeping well and not eating enough.

And if its lifting for 6 months but always training till muscle failure and going for prs? Like benching 1,5x of your bodyweight after just 4 months lifting. And also not sleeping and not eating enough.


But realistically not eating enough and not sleeping enough would obviously stunt growth but also delay closure of growth plates as development will occur slower.

 

[univer]

And if its lifting for 6 months but always training till muscle failure and going for prs? Like benching 1,5x of your bodyweight after just 4 months lifting. And also not sleeping and not eating enough.


But realistically not eating enough and not sleeping enough would obviously stunt growth but also delay closure of growth plates as development will occur slower.

Unless you're lifting 24/7 and keeping your cortisol high at all times it's not going to increase cortisol long-term. Cortisol drops after your workout back to normal base levels. Poor sleep is absolutely linked to higher cortisol though, and I suspect it's the same with not eating enough but I'm not sure. .

Also, its not going to delay the closure of the plates just because growth is slower, the growth plates close due to hormones, not growth. Hormones are the chemical messengers of the body.

 

[Inosebreathonly]

There are also studies showing cortisol increases aromatisation both in vivo and vitro

Also low T=lower igf-1

High cortisol also means slightly lower igf1 which normally should mean slower bone aging. Overall I think it doesn‘t really affects the speed of growth plate closure.

do you think heavy weightlifting/ego lifting (like squatting 1,5x of your bodyweight after just 2 months lifting as a beginner) combined with bad sleep and not enough protein intake could accelerate growth plates closure?

I read that stress on growth plates like during squats could cause microtrauma which could signal the growth plates to close in order to protect themselves but sounds like cope to me.

Also I think because muscles have to get repaired and theres already not enough protein it would all go to muscles instead skeleton which would theoretically delay the closure of growth plates as no bone growth occurs

I was 5'8 at 14 i started lifting and i am 5'10 at 17 now jfl being a gymcel is my biggest regret and the reason i am suffering and trying everything to heightmaxx.
Limiting your current growth is as bad if not worse than premature closing of the growth plates
No reason to justify gym
Tbh now i would prefer being lazy and spending all day in bed over gym in that period

 

[moreplatesmoreweigh]

does not change

my gymcel friend grew 8 inches in high school

Maybe because you enlarge the veins, the bone receives more nutrients and you grow longer

Cortisol cause vasoconstriction you dumb

 

[elemanzelvadre]

Cortisol cause vasoconstriction you dumb

Ah my bad sorry bro

 

[Deleted member 79837]

I was 5'8 at 14 i started lifting and i am 5'10 at 17 now jfl being a gymcel is my biggest regret and the reason i am suffering and trying everything to heightmaxx.
Limiting your current growth is as bad if not worse than premature closing of the growth plates
No reason to justify gym
Tbh now i would prefer being lazy and spending all day in bed over gym in that period

How tall are your parents? It all depends on when you hit puberty I had first voice changes at like 15 and now I am 17,5. And I grew only like 12-13cm from 15-17,5 and it was the time where my growth velocity was at its peak so like 6cm a year was my growth spurt lol probably all genetics

I also have some health disorders which affect growth velocity a lot like celiac but I was mainly eating glutenfree but probably had cross contamination from time to time

 

[Deleted member 79837]

Unless you're lifting 24/7 and keeping your cortisol high at all times it's not going to increase cortisol long-term. Cortisol drops after your workout back to normal base levels. Poor sleep is absolutely linked to higher cortisol though, and I suspect it's the same with not eating enough but I'm not sure. .

Also, its not going to delay the closure of the plates just because growth is slower, the growth plates close due to hormones, not growth. Hormones are the chemical messengers of the body.

high cortisol wont affect speed of closure of growth plates lol

And what I was asking was rather if the mechanical stress your growth plates while squatting very heavy and also with bad form and you have some minor pain or pressure on your knees while squatting, if that over time (6 months lifting period) would signal your bones to close growth plates earlier in order to protect themselves from injury. I read it somewhere but idk

Also if you have nutritional deficits it could delay puberty which would delay growth plates closure thats a fact, i dont know if it applies that it slows down closure of growth plates if youve already started puberty tho

 

[Inosebreathonly]

How tall are your parents? It all depends on when you hit puberty I had first voice changes at like 15 and now I am 17,5. And I grew only like 12-13cm from 15-17,5 and it was the time where my growth velocity was at its peak so like 6cm a year was my growth spurt lol probably all genetics

I also have some health disorders which affect growth velocity a lot like celiac but I was mainly eating glutenfree but probably had cross contamination from time to time

Bruh if you havent been using ai it might already be over there might not be any growth plates left to injure..

I don't think squats would injure the growth plates in the legs maybe it would in the spine tho, excessive decompression would hinder the growth of the growth plates in the spine

And if not excessive these mechanical stimulations obviously wont close your growth plates or whatever it is you are talking about

 

[Deleted member 79837]

Bruh if you havent been using ai it might already be over there might not be any growth plates left to injure..

I don't think squats would injure the growth plates in the legs maybe it would in the spine tho, excessive decompression would hinder the growth of the growth plates in the spine

And if not excessive these mechanical stimulations obviously wont close your growth plates or whatever it is you are talking about

My bone age is around 16 because of delayed puberty i take ai since a month. Since when do you take ai?

I had late puberty my wrist plates are open dont know about knees tho.

I am so fucking dumb I found out about all this like 7 months ago and couldve taken ai but I was either lazy or thought it was to prevent hgh from rapid bone age progression instead general bone age progression
Do you think the 6 month difference of no taking ai will result in a lower final adult height difference? Like more then a cm?

I guess my bone age would be around 15,7 if i wouldve taken ai since 7 months instead a month. Now its 16. I think it wouldve gave me more time to grow with hgh but I dont know if you even can grow with hgh after youve gone a bit above your genetic limit.

When did you hit puberty?

 

[Inosebreathonly]

My bone age is around 16 because of delayed puberty i take ai since a month. Since when do you take ai?

I had late puberty my wrist plates are open dont know about knees tho.

I am so fucking dumb I found out about all this like 7 months ago and couldve taken ai but I was either lazy or thought it was to prevent hgh from rapid bone age progression instead general bone age progression
Do you think the 6 month difference of no taking ai will result in a lower final adult height difference? Like more then a cm?

I guess my bone age would be around 15,7 if i wouldve taken ai since 7 months instead a month. Now its 16. I think it wouldve gave me more time to grow with hgh but I dont know if you even can grow with hgh after youve gone a bit above your genetic limit.

When did you hit puberty?

If your wrist plates are open then the rest probably are open too except maybe ankles and heels as they are the first growth plates to close
Obviously not taking ai for 6 months would have a big difference definitely more than a cm
I am taking ai for about 8 months but before that i was also trying everything to reduce my estrogen naturally

I hit puberty first at around 8th grade i think

 

[Deleted member 79837]

If your wrist plates are open then the rest probably are open too except maybe ankles and heels as they are the first growth plates to close
Obviously not taking ai for 6 months would have a big difference definitely more than a cm
I am taking ai for about 8 months but before that i was also trying everything to reduce my estrogen naturally

I hit puberty first at around 8th grade i think

Ai delays closure of plates by like 60%. It doesnt delay it completely, so if i wouldve taken it 6 months ago my bone age would be like 15.7 instead of 16. And I dont know if the 3.5 months difference would lead to more then a cm final height difference or even a measurable amount but I am too low iq to be sure and I want to cope

 

[Deleted member 79837]

But idk I believe once you are like 5 cm taller than your genetic limit you cant get taller that that if your dads 5‘7 and your moms 5‘2 and your like 5‘6 at 15, hgh and ai wont make you taller than 5‘10

 

[univer]

high cortisol wont affect speed of closure of growth plates lol

And what I was asking was rather if the mechanical stress your growth plates while squatting very heavy and also with bad form and you have some minor pain or pressure on your knees while squatting, if that over time (6 months lifting period) would signal your bones to close growth plates earlier in order to protect themselves from injury. I read it somewhere but idk

Also if you have nutritional deficits it could delay puberty which would delay growth plates closure thats a fact, i dont know if it applies that it slows down closure of growth plates if youve already started puberty tho

High cortisol aka chronic stress absolutely will affect the speed of growth plate closure. This is the same thing as saying high cortisol won't affect hormones. Hormones, primarily estrogen regulate when your growth plates close. High cortisol heavily affects hormones and leads to a hormone imbalance through interacting with the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis, in both men and women.

Also for bad form squatting, it shouldn't signal your growth plates to close since your hormones are not affected. I'm not sure, but I believe knee issues can stunt growth though, but for a different reason.

Nutritional deficits could delay puberty perhaps, but it's absolutely nothing you should try to do lmfao. Nutritional deficiencies impair your body's ability to function, mess with your hormones, and lead to an overall decrease in quality of life.

 

[Deleted member 79837]

High cortisol aka chronic stress absolutely will affect the speed of growth plate closure. This is the same thing as saying high cortisol won't affect hormones. Hormones, primarily estrogen regulate when your growth plates close. High cortisol heavily affects hormones and leads to a hormone imbalance through interacting with the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis, in both men and women.

Also for bad form squatting, it shouldn't signal your growth plates to close since your hormones are not affected. I'm not sure, but I believe knee issues can stunt growth though, but for a different reason.

Nutritional deficits could delay puberty perhaps, but it's absolutely nothing you should try to do lmfao. Nutritional deficiencies impair your body's ability to function, mess with your hormones, and lead to an overall decrease in quality of life.

High cortisol wont directly lead to higher e2 levels. It can cause hormonal imbalance, yes, but that doesnt mean it will affect speed of closure of growth plates (it will stunt growth tho)

Also do you think the body will have high cortisol if youre lifting very heavy weights and eat only 0,5g protein per kg and dont sleep much?

 

[univer]

High cortisol wont directly lead to higher e2 levels. It can cause hormonal imbalance, yes, but that doesnt mean it will affect speed of closure of growth plates (it will stunt growth tho)

Also do you think the body will have high cortisol if youre lifting very heavy weights and eat only 0,5g protein per kg and dont sleep much?

You're right that high cortisol doesn't directly raise e2 levels, but chronic cortisol elevation can disrupt overall hormonal balance, including testosterone-to-estradiol ratios, which likely will affect the speed of closure.

If you're lifting heavy weights, you will have a temporary spike in cortisol but it will go down to normal once you rest and therefore won't affect much.
I'm not sure protein deficiency leads to higher cortisol, but it will definitely stunt growth and muscle hypertrophy.
Poor sleep will skyrocket your cortisol, yes.

 

[Deleted member 79837]

You're right that high cortisol doesn't directly raise e2 levels, but chronic cortisol elevation can disrupt overall hormonal balance, including testosterone-to-estradiol ratios, which likely will affect the speed of closure.

If you're lifting heavy weights, you will have a temporary spike in cortisol but it will go down to normal once you rest and therefore won't affect much.
I'm not sure protein deficiency leads to higher cortisol, but it will definitely stunt growth and muscle hypertrophy.
Poor sleep will skyrocket your cortisol, yes.

And do you think the 6 months where i did lift very heavy and had bad lifestsyle affect the speed of closure of growth plates?

Also I still think nutricient deficits somehow slows down growth plates closure, not completely, but slightly.

Do you think my bone age wouldve progressed more or less or the same with heavy lifting combined with the bad lifestyle vs the bad lifestyle but without the lifting

 

[univer]

And do you think the 6 months where i did lift very heavy and had bad lifestsyle affect the speed of closure of growth plates?

Also I still think nutricient deficits somehow slows down growth plates closure, not completely, but slightly.

Do you think my bone age wouldve progressed more or less or the same with heavy lifting combined with the bad lifestyle vs the bad lifestyle but without the lifting

Lifting on its own is good for bones, especially powerlifting since it increases bone density (Bad form maybe not, not sure). I think your bone age would have progressed the same or a little slower with lifting since consistent exercise is good for hormone balance and can even lower cortisol long term.

The scientific literature on the link between training and bone density. (It increased in the areas that matter at least)

Dose–response effect of 40 weeks of resistance training on bone mineral density in older adults - Osteoporosis International

Summary Resistance training is becoming popular for maintaining bone health. Previous studies examined high intensity exercise; we compared high and low intensity resistance training performed 2 or 3 days per week in older adults. We found positive bone density responses for the hip and spine...

link.springer.com

 

[Deleted member 79837]

Lifting on its own is good for bones, especially powerlifting since it increases bone density (Bad form maybe not, not sure). I think your bone age would have progressed the same or a little slower with lifting since consistent exercise is good for hormone balance and can even lower cortisol long term.

The scientific literature on the link between training and bone density. (It increased in the areas that matter at least)

Dose–response effect of 40 weeks of resistance training on bone mineral density in older adults - Osteoporosis International

Summary Resistance training is becoming popular for maintaining bone health. Previous studies examined high intensity exercise; we compared high and low intensity resistance training performed 2 or 3 days per week in older adults. We found positive bone density responses for the hip and spine...

link.springer.com

i did like 6 months of heavy weightlifting but not so sure if it was healthy my lifestyle was bad too but didnt have any injuries

 

[univer]

i did like 6 months of heavy weightlifting but not so sure if it was healthy my lifestyle was bad too but didnt have any injuries

If you enjoy heavy weightlifting then don't feel discouraged, it's a great hobby. Make sure your form is good, and make sure your lifestyle is healthy. Happy to hear that you had no injuries.

 

[Deleted member 79837]

If you enjoy heavy weightlifting then don't feel discouraged, it's a great hobby. Make sure your form is good, and make sure your lifestyle is healthy. Happy to hear that you had no injuries.

No I like calisthenics more. i dont do ego lifting anymore but I was thinking if maybe because I did it my bone age progresses at faster rate than it wouldve normally

 

[univer]

No I like calisthenics more. i dont do ego lifting anymore but I was thinking if maybe because I did it my bone age progresses at faster rate than it wouldve normally

Nope, I would say you're good, just make sure the poor sleep and micronutrient deficiencies are of the past too.

 

[Deleted member 79837]

Nope, I would say you're good, just make sure the poor sleep and micronutrient deficiencies are of the past too.

Yeah I will try to. Obviously they will hinder growth but I dont think poor sleep + not eating enough would have an effect on the speed of closure of growth plates right?

 

[univer]

Yeah I will try to. Obviously they will hinder growth but I dont think poor sleep + not eating enough would have an effect on the speed of closure of growth plates right?

I believe not enough sleep could, but I am no doctor.

 

[Inosebreathonly]

Ai delays closure of plates by like 60%. It doesnt delay it completely, so if i wouldve taken it 6 months ago my bone age would be like 15.7 instead of 16. And I dont know if the 3.5 months difference would lead to more then a cm final height difference or even a measurable amount but I am too low iq to be sure and I want to cope

Bone age doesn't always correlate with the "openness" of the growth plates if you lower your e2 to 10 your growth plates will stay the exact same if your growth is limited even tho your growth plates are open and you use ai it is because of gene expressions and DNA methylation

What i am trying to say is you can grow unlimitedly (till your genetic limit ofc) if your growth plates are open and e2 levels are low enough that's the reason some people grow after 25 their growth plates are still open thanks to their aromatisation and e2 genetics and when they start to sleep good or exercise or remove a nutritional deficiency they start to grow again

 

[Deleted member 79837]

Bone age doesn't always correlate with the "openness" of the growth plates if you lower your e2 to 10 your growth plates will stay the exact same if your growth is limited even tho your growth plates are open and you use ai it is because of gene expressions and DNA methylation

What i am trying to say is you can grow unlimitedly (till your genetic limit ofc) if your growth plates are open and e2 levels are low enough that's the reason some people grow after 25 their growth plates are still open thanks to their aromatisation and e2 genetics and when they start to sleep good or exercise or remove a nutritional deficiency they start to grow again

They dont stay open forever. Ai delays the closure by like 60% so for example if you have a bone age of 16, they will close in 4 years with ai instead in 2 years.

If there was something that could make growth plates stay open forever no one here would be a manlet

 

[Inosebreathonly]

They dont stay open forever. Ai delays the closure by like 60% so for example if you have a bone age of 16, they will close in 4 years with ai instead in 2 years.

If there was something that could make growth plates stay open forever no one here would be a manlet

Bone age isn't that important your confusing bone age with the actual state of the growth plates
Like i said growth plate closure and bone age don't always directly correlate

No one here is consistent enough to see how it goes and like i said unless you do something to create excessive DNA methylation growth plate senescence limits your growth that's how many mammals stop growing.. Not because of the closure of ggrowth plates but the lack of DNA methylation
Do you really think your growth plates will continue to ossify even when you crash your e2 levels?

 

[Futura]

Like high cortisol from for example lifting too heavy (ex. Powerlifting, ego lifting) and too much while not sleeping well and not eating enough. This would lead to higher cortisol levels in your body which would supress hgh production. Which normally should mean that growth plates fusing gets delayed as less igf1 means slower growth which means slower bone aging.

But I heard some people say high cortisol causes premature growth plate closure so what is it?

Just do pushups and walk tbh

 

[AverageMoroccan]

But idk I believe once you are like 5 cm taller than your genetic limit you cant get taller that that if your dads 5‘7 and your moms 5‘2 and your like 5‘6 at 15, hgh and ai wont make you taller than 5‘10

Not true my parents are both 5'7 while I'm 5'10 and i just turned 16 (late bloomer btw)

 

[Deleted member 79837]

Not true my parents are both 5'7 while I'm 5'10 and i just turned 16 (late bloomer btw)

Then one of your uncles or grandpa is tall. Also your mom being 5‘7 suggests that theres someone in her family who is tall.

 

[Deleted member 79837]

Bone age isn't that important your confusing bone age with the actual state of the growth plates
Like i said growth plate closure and bone age don't always directly correlate

No one here is consistent enough to see how it goes and like i said unless you do something to create excessive DNA methylation growth plate senescence limits your growth that's how many mammals stop growing.. Not because of the closure of ggrowth plates but the lack of DNA methylation
Do you really think your growth plates will continue to ossify even when you crash your e2 levels?

Theres nothing yet which will let you have your growth plates open forever. AI‘s give you more time to grow but they wont leave your growth plates open forever. They will close eventually and ai‘s may gave your 2 or 3 years more time to grow.

 

[AverageMoroccan]

Then one of your uncles or grandpa is tall. Also your mom being 5‘7 suggests that theres someone in her family who is tall.

yeah my grandpa kinda tall