Can taking Collagen supplements and retinol achieve similar results as taking Tretinoin on its own?

[Deleted member 17791]

Lets say you take both retinol and a collagen supplement (perhaps a cream), would the improvement in collagen and skin cell production yield comparable results to just taking Tretinoin?

 

[MatheusCqb]

Tretinoin is life bruh i`m almost 27 looking like 17

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Tretinoin is life bruh i`m almost 27 looking like 17

I know. I can't get the stuff right now so I have to find substitutes.

 

[Deleted member 22126]

Tretinoin is life bruh i`m almost 27 looking like 17

Can i start off with 1% straight away

 

[MatheusCqb]

I know. I can't get the stuff right now so I have to find substitutes.

Lol in brazil you can buy without a prescription and costs 3,78 Bidens

 

[MatheusCqb]

Can i start off with 1% straight away

I use 0,25 about 4 years

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Lol in brazil you can buy without a prescription and costs 3,78 Bidens

Good for you man. I wish I lived in a non dictatorship.

 

[BrownBoy]

Lets say you take both retinol and a collagen supplement (perhaps a cream), would the improvement in collagen and skin cell production yield comparable results to just taking Tretinoin?

no

 

[fourtwozero]

Can i start off with 1% straight away

no don't, It will fuck up your skin even more

 

[Deleted member 17791]

no

Why not and how different would they be?

no don't, It will fuck up your skin even more

I hear many people don't even bother increasing percentage and just stay at like 0.25%

 

[Deleted member 20631]

Collagen supplements don’t do anything, unless you’re talking about copper peptides

Also Tret has been shown to increase your collagen by up to 80%. I don’t think retinol is concentrated enough to get similar results to tret but you’ll likely still see skin improvements on retinol

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Collagen supplements don’t do anything, unless you’re talking about copper peptides

Also Tret has been shown to increase your collagen by up to 80%. I don’t think retinol is concentrated enough to get similar results to tret but you’ll likely still see skin improvements on retinol

What do you mean cooper peptides?

I think taking it as a cream would be better.

Tret improves it by 80%? That's pretty insane increases. Do you think Retinol would be more like 25%?

 

[Leo Carryn]

I use 0,25 about 4 years

do you prefer cream or gel form ? Or it didn't matter for your skin ?

 

[Deleted member 20631]

What do you mean cooper peptides?

I think taking it as a cream would be better.

Tret improves it by 80%? That's pretty insane increases. Do you think Retinol would be more like 25%?

Copper peptides are well tested skincare product boosts elastin, collagen and are good for wrinkles. Though I’d assume you’d have to moisturize properly atleast twice a day along with sunscreen because Copper peptides + Tret will leave your skin very sensitive.

Collagen supplements are just animal protein, eating meat and fat or bone broth is tastier, healthier and will affect your collagen positively way more then collagen supplements would.

I believe if you can get similar concentrations they’ll work in a similar effect only difference is Retinol has to be converted in your body while Tret doesn’t.

1% Retinol is equivalent to 0.1% Tret according to this study

A Randomized, Double-blind, Split-face Study Comparing the Efficacy and Tolerability of Three Retinol-based Products vs. Three Tretinoin-based Products in Subjects With Moderate to Severe Facial Photodamage - PubMed

Retinol, has been shown to improve the appearance of photodamaged skin when applied topically, and is generally considered to be approximately ten times less potent than tretinoin. To assess this theory, three cosmetic formulations containing 0.25%, 0.5%, and 1.0% retinol were developed to...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Deleted member 20631]

I hear many people don't even bother increasing percentage and just stay at like 0.25%

Concentration just affects the rate at which your skin gets better, you’ll still end up with good skin it’ll just take longer then if you were using higher concentration

I think if you don’t have severe acne a lower concentration is better because you’ll deal with less irritation and lower chances of it going slightly systematic and giving you permanent dry eyes

I was on low dose accutane and got this side, it’s not frequent enough to affect my life since it barely happens now but when I just got off accutane the eye dryness and burning was frequent and I would have to keep my eyes shut for 5 minutes at a time, I’d be playing a game or talking to a friend and I’d have to randomly just shut my eyes.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Copper peptides are well tested skincare product boosts elastin, collagen and are good for wrinkles. Though I’d assume you’d have to moisturize properly atleast twice a day along with sunscreen because Copper peptides + Tret will leave your skin very sensitive.

Collagen supplements are just animal protein, eating meat and fat or bone broth is tastier, healthier and will affect your collagen positively way more then collagen supplements would.

I believe if you can get similar concentrations they’ll work in a similar effect only difference is Retinol has to be converted in your body while Tret doesn’t.

1% Retinol is equivalent to 0.1% Tret according to this study

A Randomized, Double-blind, Split-face Study Comparing the Efficacy and Tolerability of Three Retinol-based Products vs. Three Tretinoin-based Products in Subjects With Moderate to Severe Facial Photodamage - PubMed

Retinol, has been shown to improve the appearance of photodamaged skin when applied topically, and is generally considered to be approximately ten times less potent than tretinoin. To assess this theory, three cosmetic formulations containing 0.25%, 0.5%, and 1.0% retinol were developed to...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

So I just need 2.5% Retinol to effectively have 0.25% Tretinoin?

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Concentration just affects the rate at which your skin gets better, you’ll still end up with good skin it’ll just take longer then if you were using higher concentration

I think if you don’t have severe acne a lower concentration is better because you’ll deal with less irritation and lower chances of it going slightly systematic and giving you permanent dry eyes

I was on low dose accutane and got this side, it’s not frequent enough to affect my life since it barely happens now but when I just got off accutane the eye dryness and burning was frequent and I would have to keep my eyes shut for 5 minutes at a time, I’d be playing a game or talking to a friend and I’d have to randomly just shut my eyes.

Yeah I get it.

I didn't know that stuff made your eyes dry.

 

[Deleted member 20631]

Yeah I get it.

I didn't know that stuff made your eyes dry.

It’s not that bad right now, I’ve been off accutane for 9 months now and I got dry eyes again for the first time in months yesterday so I just want people to be informed.

Then again chances are pretty low of it happening on tret since it barely goes systematic compared to accutane going fully systematic

 

[Deleted member 17791]

It’s not that bad right now, I’ve been off accutane for 9 months now and I got dry eyes again for the first time in months yesterday so I just want people to be informed.

Then again chances are pretty low of it happening on tret since it barely goes systematic compared to accutane going fully systematic

What do you mean by 'systematic'?

 

[Deleted member 20631]

So I just need 2.5% Retinol to effectively have 0.25% Tretinoin?

Yeah, but the rate at which it converts to retinoic acid is different for everybody but even at the lowest concentration you should still get good results.
Vitamin A based skincare products are really good for oily skin, because before starting accutane I had extremely oily skin and after being done with it my skin is on the drier side.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Yeah, but the rate at which it converts to retinoic acid is different for everybody but even at the lowest concentration you should still get good results.
Vitamin A based skincare products are really good for oily skin, because before starting accutane I had extremely oily skin and after being done with it my skin is on the drier side.

You had acne before taking it right?

That stuff is pretty insane, it permanently gets rid of acne.

 

[Deleted member 20631]

What do you mean by 'systematic'?

It has effects on other parts of the body not just your skin, accutane works by promoting collagen in the skin but it also does it’s job by destroying oil glands to help with excessive sebum production.

This also applies to the oil glands in your eyes, also has a negative effect on growth plates where high enough doses of accutane will prematurely close growth plates in the femur.

I’m not gonna say I regret going on accutane because I don’t, my acne was so horrible I literally couldn’t look at mirrors.
And I avoided most of the severe side effects

 

[Deleted member 17791]

It has effects on other parts of the body not just your skin, accutane works by promoting collagen in the skin but it also does it’s job by destroying oil glands to help with excessive sebum production.

This also applies to the oil glands in your eyes, also has a negative effect on growth plates where high enough doses of accutane will prematurely close growth plates in the femur.

I’m not gonna say I regret going on accutane because I don’t, my acne was so horrible I literally couldn’t look at mirrors.
And I avoided most of the severe side effects

So how good is your skin now? Are you thinking of taking tret or retinol?

 

[Deleted member 20631]

You had acne before taking it right?

That stuff is pretty insane, it permanently gets rid of acne.

Yeah it does for most people but I still occasionally get one or two very small pimples that go away in a few days without me having to do anything.
Currently I’m waiting for it to hit exactly one year after I got off accutane to start using tret because I don’t want the dry eyes to come back.

My skin is completely clear except for a single tiny pimple on my forehead I just noticed last night, I’m not too worried because if I can get atleast a few pimples it means my oil production is recovering. And one or two pimples are completely treatable with normal skincare so ironically enough I’m happy to see an occasional pimple

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Yeah it does for most people but I still occasionally get one or two very small pimples that go away in a few days without me having to do anything.
Currently I’m waiting for it to hit exactly one year after I got off accutane to start using tret because I don’t want the dry eyes to come back.

My skin is completely clear except for a single tiny pimple on my forehead I just noticed last night, I’m not too worried because if I can get atleast a few pimples it means my oil production is recovering. And one or two pimples are completely treatable with normal skincare so ironically enough I’m happy to see an occasional pimple

Alright, sounds good.

I'm happy to hear that retinol has around a 10% conversion to tret. Means I can max out my skin so I look young like Jared Leto at 50.

 

[Deleted member 20631]

Alright, sounds good.

I'm happy to hear that retinol has around a 10% conversion to tret. Means I can max out my skin so I look young like Jared Leto at 50.

Don’t start off with too high of concentration, you want to use low concentration to start and at a frequency of every 3-4 days and to slowly increase it once your body begins to tolerate it.

Even with tret you should try to avoid sides because oil production is important for not only appearance (Hair thickness and quality, natural moisturizer for the skin) but also for health and life quality (necessary for the fluid in your joints as well as for moisturizing the eyes)

How bad is your acne btw? 2.5% Retinol might be too harsh to start with

Also make sure to use sunscreen every time you’re out in the sun or you’ll prematurely age yourself because while you’re on it your skin will be extremely sensitive to the sun

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Don’t start off with too high of concentration, you want to use low concentration to start and at a frequency of every 3-4 days and to slowly increase it once your body begins to tolerate it.

Even with tret you should try to avoid sides because oil production is important for not only appearance (Hair thickness and quality, natural moisturizer for the skin) but also for health and life quality (necessary for the fluid in your joints as well as for moisturizing the eyes)

How bad is your acne btw? 2.5% Retinol might be too harsh to start with

I don't have much acne. I want to use it for long term reduction in apparent aging.

I already use retinol every now and again, The one I have says 0.2% retinol.

 

[Deleted member 20631]

I don't have much acne. I want to use it for long term reduction in apparent aging.

I already use retinol every now and again, The one I have says 0.2% retinol.

You should be fine then, but increase the concentration slowly if you jump up too high you might induce skin purging, it’s not that big of a deal since it’s temporary but your skin will get significantly worse before it starts getting better

 

[Deleted member 17791]

You should be fine then, but increase the concentration slowly if you jump up too high you might induce skin purging, it’s not that big of a deal since it’s temporary but your skin will get significantly worse before it starts getting better

I could take it maybe 3 times a week which would be equivalent to 0.06% tret a week which is apparently the middle ground for prescriptions.

Yeah, I'm making sure not to get skin peeling, that sucks.

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

you don't take tretinoin, you apply it

 

[MatheusCqb]

do you prefer cream or gel form ? Or it didn't matter for your skin ?

gel, cream is trash belive me

 

[MatheusCqb]

I could take it maybe 3 times a week which would be equivalent to 0.06% tret a week which is apparently the middle ground for prescriptions.

Yeah, I'm making sure not to get skin peeling, that sucks.

I APLY this everyday only 3 times is nothing

 

[Deleted member 17791]

I APLY this everyday only 3 times is nothing

I don't exactly have the money to use it every day.

 

[Deleted member 20370]

Tretinoin is life bruh i`m almost 27 looking like 17

no you dont lol

 

[MatheusCqb]

no you dont lol

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[MatheusCqb]

SKIN nigga if not prove other wise niggas here 117 yrs 40000 ACNES

17* yrs

 

[Deleted member 20370]

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your english sucks cock

 

[Deleted member 17791]

your english sucks cock

Oh...

Don't say that stuff. I haven't wanked in a while.

 

[Wiqfi]

Collagen supplements don’t do anything, unless you’re talking about copper peptides

Also Tret has been shown to increase your collagen by up to 80%. I don’t think retinol is concentrated enough to get similar results to tret but you’ll likely still see skin improvements on retinol

How can you purchase tret without a prescription

 

[MatheusCqb]

your english sucks cock

and you are hater, I have a good skin and u have to say non your don`t bitch ass nigga, I was just saying my skin is good for 27 yrd

 

[StuffedFrog]

No but peptides will

 

[Deleted member 17791]

No but peptides will

can you explain why?