Can you have mortality without god

[doxcine]

Imo you can't
Everyone will define what's moral and what not like they please since it isn't an analytical case
Even if somehow you can, you still not obligated to be moral bc at the end of the life, you won't be held accountable of your actions, and moral and the immoral both have the same faith

 

[superpsycho]

 

[VV62]

No because if morality exists in nature we can find it without god and if god decides what morality is we dont have to follow it

 

[Snicket]

Morality, you mean?

Imo you can't
Everyone will define what's moral and what not like they please since it isn't an analytical case

Why can't humans devise their own moral frameworks?

Even if somehow you can, you still not obligated to be moral bc at the end of the life, you won't be held accountable and moral and the immoral both have the same faith

You can create strong disincentives for people to act immorally within a legal framework.
What stops the average person from robbing the local 7-11?
God or fear of arrest, incarceration and ensuing life ruination. I suspect for most it's the latter.

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Im moral because I know inflicting pain on someone innocent doesnt feel good

 

[doxcine]

Morality, you mean?

Why can't humans devise their own moral frameworks?


You can create strong disincentives for people to act immorally within a legal framework.
What stops the average person from robbing the local 7-11?
God or fear of arrest, incarceration. and ensuing life ruination I suspect for many it's the latter.

Because morality isn't analytical case, so it isn't subject to logic therefore everybody will have different idea of what's moral or not

Biggest punishment in man made laws is execution and if you're athiest you belive you're going nothingness anyways so as long as you're smart and can avoid the law you can do anything you want and then if you get caught you have nothing to worry about anyway

 

[Snicket]

Because morality isn't analytical case, so it isn't subject to logic therefore everybody will have different idea of what's moral or not

Why can't morality be subject to logic? Says who?

so as long as you're smart and can avoid the law you can do anything you want

How many people can do this?

and then if you get caught you have nothing to worry about anyway

Just because an atheist believes there is no afterlife does not mean they're content with death - arguably the opposite.
Especially in comparison to a good Christian with an expectation of being rewarded in the afterlife.

 

[doxcine]

How many people can do this?

Just because an atheist believes there is no afterlife does not mean they're content with dying.

Alot, niggas be robbing and stealing all time and you can't say they are immoral
Dying is inevitable whether it's now or later, so you just do as you please and for example jengis khan understand this he started killing and raping as he wanted because he understands you only live once and might as well follow your desires before you are dead

 

[imabetanumale]

If you follow the rules you have more chances of having a good life in a world with rules, and maybe you simply cant break the rules without feeling bad, It isnt in your nature. Its very simple.

 

[Snicket]

Alot, niggas be robbing and stealing all time and you can't say they are immoral

And you can't say it's moral.
We establish morality through general consensus. Almost everyone agrees that stealing is wrong, or at the very least it could happen to them.
In democratic nations, we enforce morality through the legal system and constitution, independent of religion .
It's imperfect and not always representative but it's a foundation to work with.

Dying is inevitable whether it's now or later, so you just do as you please and for example jengis khan understand this he started killing and raping as he wanted because he understands you only live once and might as well follow your desires before you are dead

I'm not benchmarking my life on Genghis Khan!

 

[imabetanumale]

Alot, niggas be robbing and stealing all time and you can't say they are immoral
Dying is inevitable whether it's now or later, so you just do as you please and for example jengis khan understand this he started killing and raping as he wanted because he understands you only live once and might as well follow your desires before you are dead

Actually any man with his power would do the same, Its just that power gives you opportunity, you only follow the rules when you aré at the bottom. Its not that he understood some truth, Its just nature

 

[doxcine]

And you can't say it's moral.
We establish morality through general consensus. Almost everyone agrees that stealing is wrong, or at the very least it could happen to them.
In democratic nations, we enforce morality through the legal system and constitution, independent of religion .
It's imperfect and not always representative but it's a foundation to work with.

I'm not benchmarking my life on Genghis Khan!

niggas don't agree with you that stealing is wrong and you can't obligate them to think so and as i said before legal system doesn't make the act moral or immoral since the legal system itself based on meta etics that is relative and the most severe punishment is death where the moral and the immoral will eventuly face

 

[ngannou]

If there is no God there is no subjective morality

killing can be legal

 

[doxcine]

If there is no God there is no subjective morality

killing can be legal

objective you mean
but yeah good point whats legal and whatnot is built based o something subjective

 

[ngannou]

I beleive in Jesus Christ