Challenging .org gymcels

[VampyrMaxx]

I’m extremely skeptical about the value of spending hours in the gym chasing bigger muscles.

In my view, once you have a decent base of muscle, low body fat (~10%), and a tan, you already have near-maximum visual appeal and muscle definition. Past that point, adding significant size rarely increases attractiveness and can even hurt it.

Women (and people in general) seem to care far more about:
Bone structure (wide clavicles, narrow waist, good ribcage taper)
Muscle insertions and shape
Sharp definition and leanness

…than raw muscle size. In many cases, getting “too big” actually lowers your SMV because it starts looking try-hard, puffy, or disproportionate to a normal frame.

Can anyone show me a single real-world before-and-after where a guy already had good definition and leanness, then added a lot of size, and objectively became more attractive to women (especially to women)? Not just “he looks more jacked to gym bros,” but actually higher general sexual market value.

I’ve genuinely never seen one. Every transformation I respect is either:
Fat guy → lean and defined (huge SMV jump)
Skinny guy → decent muscle + low body fat (also huge jump)
But defined guy → much bigger version of himself? I only ever see the appeal plateau or drop.

Change my mind.

 

[EmperorVon]

It’s impossible the only gym ascensions are because people got lean meaning more facial definition and certain drugs accelerated facial development thats it

 

[hasba1feuj]

simple answer : studies

 

[Yousif2g]

Im very critical of wasting time going to the gym.

I feel like the only thing the gym will do is give you good muscle definition.

I think girls care more about your bone structure (ribcage and biacromial) and muscle insertions, and muscle definition over muscle size. If anything being too big decreases attractiveness.

Can one person show me a transformation in which someone increased their bodies smv through muscle size rather than definition.

I feel like as long as you have a decent amount of muscle, 10 percent body fat, and a tan, going to the gym will be useless since you'll already have a decent if not perfect amount of muscle definition.

In simple words can someone show me a transformation in which bigger muscle size increased appeal even though the person had good muscle definition before.

Thoughts?

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As a former gym cell I completely agree, once you get into the gym you’ll just get blinded by a desire to build as much muscle as possible leading you to try and go on ridiculous bulks which ruin your face and bf%, the most you’ll ever need is some dumbbells at home. The gym is just a desperate attempt to replicate the size and presence that height and frame create.

 

[vision_n]

Im very critical of wasting time going to the gym.

I feel like the only thing the gym will do is give you good muscle definition.

I think girls care more about your bone structure (ribcage and biacromial) and muscle insertions, and muscle definition over muscle size. If anything being too big decreases attractiveness.

Can one person show me a transformation in which someone increased their bodies smv through muscle size rather than definition.

I feel like as long as you have a decent amount of muscle, 10 percent body fat, and a tan, going to the gym will be useless since you'll already have a decent if not perfect amount of muscle definition.

In simple words can someone show me a transformation in which bigger muscle size increased appeal even though the person had good muscle definition before.

Thoughts?

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I'm enjoying spamming upper body though

 

[Jichang]

dude claims to be "natural" but yea didnt have muscle definition before

so just take roids idk

 

[VampyrMaxx]

simple answer : studies

Correlation doesnt equal causation.

Can you show me actual proofs like pictures?

 

[VampyrMaxx]

dude claims to be "natural" but yea didnt have muscle definition before

so just take roids idk

Just got leaner lmao

 

[VampyrMaxx]

@decadouche57

 

[VampyrMaxx]

bump

 

[VampyrMaxx]

bump

 

[savage21]

I’m extremely skeptical about the value of spending hours in the gym chasing bigger muscles.

In my view, once you have a decent base of muscle, low body fat (~10%), and a tan, you already have near-maximum visual appeal and muscle definition. Past that point, adding significant size rarely increases attractiveness and can even hurt it.

Women (and people in general) seem to care far more about:
Bone structure (wide clavicles, narrow waist, good ribcage taper)
Muscle insertions and shape
Sharp definition and leanness

…than raw muscle size. In many cases, getting “too big” actually lowers your SMV because it starts looking try-hard, puffy, or disproportionate to a normal frame.

Can anyone show me a single real-world before-and-after where a guy already had good definition and leanness, then added a lot of size, and objectively became more attractive to women (especially to women)? Not just “he looks more jacked to gym bros,” but actually higher general sexual market value.

I’ve genuinely never seen one. Every transformation I respect is either:
Fat guy → lean and defined (huge SMV jump)
Skinny guy → decent muscle + low body fat (also huge jump)
But defined guy → much bigger version of himself? I only ever see the appeal plateau or drop.

Change my mind.

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Just have a raw 22+ inch bidelt theory.
Jordan’s frame, along with his face, is top tier especially untrained. The only people that should continue to gymaxx are the people who don’t have a top tier bidelt. And anyways, Too much mass looks uncanny

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Just have a raw 22+ inch bidelt theory.
Jordan’s frame, along with his face, is top tier especially untrained. The only people that should continue to gymaxx are the people who don’t have a top tier bidelt. And anyways, Too much mass looks uncanny

no bidelt for your biacromial

 

[BucketCrab]

A good Athletic body (Athletic, not Bodybuilder) is the cherry on top for male attractiveness. Abs, a nice set of shoulders, thick glutes and defined pecs are sexually enticing to most women. It also helps your overall health