Change my mind: Ranking of attraction traits in western dating in 2023

[Germania]

Ranked by importance

1. Race
2. Phenotype
3. Don't be shorter than her and don't be below 5'7"/5'8"
4. Face
5. Perfect pictures for dating Apps
6. Social media
7. Archetype includes fashion type
8. Grooming
9. Looks multiplier like above average height, body, stuff like that

@fogdart

 

[fogdart]

I'd say face before phenotype and race. Most girls would choose a 7-8/10 ethnic with a good phenotype over a 4-5/10 white, if all things are equal. if the white is 6/10 and the ethnic is 7-8/10 thats when the competition because hard and JBW bonus will kick in. This applies to western countries but if you go to Asia or LATAM then a 4-5/10 white may do better than a 7/10 ethnic.

 

[Corleone]

body and height make a huge difference in initial attraction imo. and pheno should be much lower. You'd agree that I have a shit pheno, but don't struggle with meeting girls once I pass the initial racial preference.

I'd say face before phenotype and race. Most girls would choose a 7-8/10 ethnic with a good phenotype over a 4-5/10 white, if all things are equal. if the white is 6/10 and the ethnic is 7-8/10 thats when the competition because hard and JBW bonus will kick in. This applies to western countries but if you go to Asia or LATAM then a 4-5/10 white may do better than a 7/10 ethnic.

face definitely higher than phenotype. maybe not necessarily higher than race as that can be a kill-criteria for some.

 

[Germania]

I'd say face before phenotype and race. Most girls would choose a 7-8/10 ethnic with a good phenotype over a 4-5/10 white, if all things are equal. if the white is 6/10 and the ethnic is 7-8/10 thats when the competition because hard and JBW bonus will kick in. This applies to western countries but if you go to Asia or LATAM then a 4-5/10 white may do better than a 7/10 ethnic.

I put race first because I feel like it's sometimes an instant exclusion. From what I can see, women tend to date in their own race + white most of the times. For example, I have never seen a black woman with an Asian or Arab man and never an Asian girl with a Black or Arab either. Exceptions confirm the rule, maybe that's different in multiethnial states of the USA and Canada.

 

[khvirgin]

grooming and fashion above body?

 

[lelouch]

I'd say face before phenotype and race. Most girls would choose a 7-8/10 ethnic with a good phenotype over a 4-5/10 white, if all things are equal. if the white is 6/10 and the ethnic is 7-8/10 thats when the competition because hard and JBW bonus will kick in. This applies to western countries but if you go to Asia or LATAM then a 4-5/10 white may do better than a 7/10 ethnic.

Depends on the ethnicity

 

[Deleted member 7580]

5’7,5’8 is very average (or maybe slightly below) for women

Do you guys really think being 5’8-5’9 isn’t a failo ??

@St.TikTokcel

 

[Deleted member 7580]

body and height make a huge difference in initial attraction imo. and pheno should be much lower. You'd agree that I have a shit pheno, but don't struggle with meeting girls once I pass the initial racial preference.

face definitely higher than phenotype. maybe not necessarily higher than race as that can be a kill-criteria for some.

Naaa pheno matters a lot
It should be number 1

My brother and I have very similar faces but he’s blonde and can slay 10x easier than me

 

[St.TikTokcel]

5’7,5’8 is very average (or maybe slightly below) for women

Do you guys really think being 5’8-5’9 isn’t a failo ??

@St.TikTokcel

Idk my mother that's nearing 60s is 5'7. I see females that height-mog me though height-mogging me is nothing since I'm only 6'0.

 

[Corleone]

I have never seen a black woman with an Asian or Arab man and never an Asian girl with a Black or Arab either. Exceptions confirm the rule

what would you say I look like? just last week I made out with a hot asian chick and rejected a few black/dravidian ones (couldn't tell you what they were because it was dark in the club and I was drunk)

 

[Germania]

body and height make a huge difference in initial attraction imo. and pheno should be much lower. You'd agree that I have a shit pheno, but don't struggle with meeting girls once I pass the initial racial preference.

face definitely higher than phenotype. maybe not necessarily higher than race as that can be a kill-criteria for some.

Yeah sure, but height and body is useless without a solid face from my experience.

I think very highly of Phenotype. Every now and then I go partying with a friend who is on my looks level, we chat with a lot of women every evening, but he is a completely different phenotype than me (he is med, I am nordic, but with a beard and dark eyebrows). Some women are totally into him, others are totally into me and ignore him completely. The "type thing" is real. Let's turn it around, I'm for example extremely into exotic looks and would prefer a 6/10 exotic woman over a 8/10 blonde white stacy.

 

[Deleted member 21661]

Ranked by importance

1. Race
2. Phenotype
3. Don't be shorter than her and don't be below 5'7"/5'8"
4. Face
5. Perfect pictures for dating Apps
6. Social media
7. Archetype includes fashion type
8. Grooming
9. Looks multiplier like above average height, body, stuff like that

@fogdart

Pheno > Face > Height > Race > Rest

 

[Germania]

Pheno > Face > Height > Race > Rest

Let's take two guys:

1. 7/10 face, white guy, 5'11"
2. 7/10 face, asian guy, 6'2"

Do you think the asian dude has more SMV just because of 3"? In real life, race matters a lot, especially if you are asian or indian.

 

[Deleted member 21661]

Let's take two guys:

1. 7/10 face, white guy, 5'11"
2. 7/10 face, asian guy, 6'2"

Do you think the asian dude has more SMV just because of 3"? In real life, race matters a lot, especially if you are asian or indian.

Pheno is a part of race
Pheno comes above all
You can have shit pheno and good pheno regardless of race lol
but obviously average white guy has better pheno than 90% of ethnics

 

[Corleone]

Pheno is a part of race
Pheno comes above all
You can have shit pheno and good pheno regardless of race lol

think he differentiated it good in his reply, race are like asian/white/curry/black and pheno is a spectrum within each race.

the tall asian guy would go home to sleep with his hand if a shorter white guy of similar attractiveness is competing with him for the same girls.

 

[Corleone]

@Germania why do you think you never see arabs/meds slaying asian/black/white girls?

 

[Germania]

@Germania why do you think you never see arabs/meds slaying asian/black/white girls?

I didn't say white girls!
But I have never seen asian girls with black guys for example. Med is southern european for you or also Meghreb, Arab countries?

 

[Corleone]

I have never seen asian girls with black guys for example

fair, me neither. that seems to be a thing. also rare for white girls to be with asians and black guys.

Med is southern european for you or also Meghreb

I'd count maghrebis too, only once you start to look towards the gulf countries do they start to look darker and more curry.