Change my view: just as one can only truly be agnostic about god's existence, one can actually only truly be agnostic about the shape of the Earth.

[Deleted member 4612]

Sure, we're all told when we're young that God exists, but then we start to think "what if he doesn't", and question certain thing. We can lean towards believing or not believing, but there is no way to be certain.

Similarly, we are told when young that we live on a spinning ball, but then we might come across the flat earth theory, and we are forced to question that too. You can believe in Spinning ball earth or Flat Earth (or maybe some other cosmology like hollow earth), but you can never be 100% certain in that regard either.

@rightfulcel thoughts?

inb4peopletryandstartasciencedebateinordertodivertfromthemainpoint

 

[Deleted member 6273]

Indeed Pinkwell

 

[Deleted member 3990]

Indeed Pinkwell
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yo mama so fat, made the earth flat

 

[Deleted member 8461]

All we know for sure is that our mind is real
Solipsism - Wikipedia

 

[Deleted member 4612]

Indeed Pinkwell
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as expected

inb4peopletryandstartasciencedebateinordertodivertfromthemainpoint

you're trying to turn this into a debate, as opposed to answering the question

All we know for sure is that our mind is real
Solipsism - Wikipedia

bingo

 

[Deleted member 11748]

Literally Google "International Space Station photos"​

 

[Deleted member 4612]

Literally Google "International Space Station photos"​

once again, you're trying to turn this into a debate.

the counterargument is that they are faked btw in case you were too low iq to realize that. (not saying they are, but you can't know for certain)

 

[Deleted member 11748]

but you can't know for certain

kill me pls this is too low iq

 

[Deleted member 6273]

as expected

you're trying to turn this into a debate, as opposed to answering the question

bingo

Because that's basically a slippery slope argument. Technically if we use your rational we should generally be agnostic about everything but that's impractical.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

kill me pls this is too low iq

as long as I didn't see it with my own eyes I'm not gonna go out into the world and make claims about it

average retards who attack flat earthers just so they can feel better about themselves are just as foolish as they people they make fun of

 

[Deleted member 4612]

kill me pls this is too low iq

how is it low iq? how do you know with 100% certainty?

its not enough for you to feel the evidence is good, can you know with 100% certainty it's true?

Because that's basically a slippery slope argument. Technically if we use your rational we should generally be agnostic about everything but that's impractical.

strawman. I never said what you "should" do. I'm just saying you can't be 100% certain.

I'd argue that if you went to buy a gallon of milk at the grocery store with your credit card, and you got a receipt. you could look at the receipt which said that it cost $2.15, look at your credit card statement that says it cost $2.15, and be 100% certain it costs $2.15

how can you be as certain that the Earth is round?

 

[Deleted member 756]

Are you trying to use this argument to justify why the age of consent should be 16 (months)?

 

[Deleted member 6273]

how is it low iq? how do you know with 100% certainty?

its not enough for you to feel the evidence is good, can you know with 100% certainty it's true?

strawman. I never said what you "should" do. I'm just saying you can't be 100% certain.

I'd argue that if you went to buy a gallon of milk at the grocery store with your credit card, and you got a receipt. you could look at the receipt which said that it cost $2.15, look at your credit card statement that says it cost $2.15, and be 100% certain it costs $2.15

how can you be as certain that the Earth is round?

Yeah like I said it's a slippery slope argument. I could ask you how could anyone be sure of anything, aside from the fact they are thinking? I think Rene Descartes said something similar

 

[Deleted member 4612]

Yeah like I said it's a slippery slope argument. I could ask you how could anyone be sure of anything, aside from the fact they are thinking? I think Rene Descartes said something similar

ok, so we have three different situations:
1. whether or not god exists
2. whether or not earth is spherical or flat
3. whether or not the milk cost $2.15 or not when the receipt and credit card statement says it cost $2.15

i feel that only the third example we can have direct observation on. while the other two we are simply taking someone else's word for it

 

[Deleted member 10652]

Do a simple experiment of the curvature of the earth and you will be certain.
Just like you are certain that 1+1=2

 

[Deleted member 4612]

simple experiment of the curvature of the earth and you will be certain.

simple experiment? is there really such a thing when we are observing the entire earth?

like 1+1=2 is simple. measuring earth's hypothetical curve?

 

[Deleted member 8576]

the earth is flatter than eva cudmore

 

[Deleted member 10652]

simple experiment? is there really such a thing when we are observing the entire earth?

like 1+1=2 is simple. measuring earth's hypothetical curve?

Here you go.
There is also a video on this if you want.
Search it up.

 

[.*my*.]

What OP looks like

 

[Deleted member 6273]

ok, so we have three different situations:
1. whether or not god exists
2. whether or not earth is spherical or flat
3. whether or not the milk cost $2.15 or not when the receipt and credit card statement says it cost $2.15

i feel that only the third example we can have direct observation on. while the other two we are simply taking someone else's word for it

Even in the third situation it's down to perception and perception can vary. How can you be absolutely sure what you see on the receipt is what others see? You just make the assumption that your visual perception is similar to other humans, but technically someone else could read it as another value.

 

[Deleted member 8576]

What OP looks like

jay bee doubleyou

 

[Deleted member 756]

He claims to be a 6/10 tall white guy

What OP looks like

 

[Deleted member 4612]

Even in the third situation it's down to perception and perception can vary. How can you be absolutely sure what you see on the receipt is what others see? You just make the assumption that your visual perception is similar to other humans, but technically someone else could read it as another value.

true i suppose.

but then, by that logic, how does that debunk the hypothesis that we can't be sure of earth's shape?

and to piggyback off of that, why couldn't we then be sure of god's potential existence?

 

[Truecel14]

Doesn't this apply to most scientific theories? We have to be agnostic about what the lower crusts of the earths, no one has actually seen them, but 99.99999% of scientists beleive in them, no different to flat earth yet because its so retarded it gains alot of views

 

[Deleted member 4612]

Doesn't this apply to most scientific theories? We have to be agnostic about what the lower crusts of the earths, no one has actually seen them, but 99.99999% of scientists beleive in them, no different to flat earth yet because its so retarded it gains alot of views

i dont think anyone provided an alternative to the layers of earth

 

[Truecel14]

i dont think anyone provided an alternative to the layers of earth

Ok. Heres my theory that demons live under the layers of earth. No different from the Flat earth theory. I geuss you have to be agnostic about that as well now.

No? Flat earth is a literal meme,

 

[Deleted member 4612]

Ok. Heres my theory that demons live under the layers of earth. No different from the Flat earth theory. I geuss you have to be agnostic about that as well now.

No? Flat earth is a literal meme,

i'm pretty sure many christians have proposed that underneath earth is hell, so that is something to potentially be agnostic about

 

[Deleted member 4612]

He claims to be a 6/10 tall white guy

5/10 sub6 foot

 

[Deleted member 756]

5/10 sub6 foot

Same thing
Send me your pics bro

 

[MansNotHot]

Spoiler

Spoiler

 

[Deleted member 5522]

There are many things we do not know about reality and anyone who claims they do because of "science" is retarded.

 

[Deleted member 756]

There are many things we do not know about reality and anyone who claims they do because of "science" is retarded.

I know you have a mansion

 

[loksr]

once again, you're trying to turn this into a debate.

the counterargument is that they are faked btw in case you were too low iq to realize that. (not saying they are, but you can't know for certain)

I mean, you can if you’re one of the people who get to be astronauts

but this is babymode, you can’t really be certain that anything is anything because the only thing you’ve ever had proof of is the fact that YOU personally exist and experience things

you don’t even know that other people are real things that think like you do, and you’ll never know

anyway earth is round /thread

 

[Cali Yuga]

if you start from the peripatetic axiom as most materialist 'skeptic' types do you cant know anything in the classical sense

all epistemology becomes subjective and contingent

this is why God is necessary to provide the grounding for objective knowledge, regularity in nature, causality, existence of other minds, metaphysics, intangible and invariant categories like numbers/logic, etc.

outside of a worldview that can provide such grounding there is no way to generate true knowledge about the external world let alone whether the 'earth' is 'flat'

if you are to be consistently agnostic you must also be agnostic about every other unexamined presupposition upon which your worldview is contingent

Are we so sure that there is such a thing as causality? Have we falsified it, confirmed it experimentally? Can we see causality with the eye or feel it with our fingers? What about object permanence or the existence of numbers/logic? The existence of other minds? Whether or not our sense data is providing us access to an objective external world? etc. etc. None of these things can be demonstrated or accounted for purely from sense data by the faculty of reason.

 

[MedMaxxing]

Science itself is good in theory, bad in practice in most things. The very people who are said to keep us healthy (medical professionals) actively poison most of the population with prescribed opioids and other pharmaceuticals. Most "confirmed" theories like the earth's shape fall flat on their face when you think about it for even a moment tbh. I don't know what the earth's shape really is, but no science has given a good explanation as to how the fuck this ball is apparently spinning around the sun at this breakneck speed just to do one revolution a day yet you don't feel any of it AND the water sitting in oceans isn't disrupted yet we can visibly tell that any movement force acting on water causes water to change it's fluidity. Best case scenario is just to develop your own worldview and ask your own questions.

 

[Deleted member 5522]

Science itself is good in theory, bad in practice in most things. The very people who are said to keep us healthy (medical professionals) actively poison most of the population with prescribed opioids and other pharmaceuticals. Most "confirmed" theories like the earth's shape fall flat on their face when you think about it for even a moment tbh. I don't know what the earth's shape really is, but no science has given a good explanation as to how the fuck this ball is apparently spinning around the sun at this breakneck speed just to do one revolution a day yet you don't feel any of it AND the water sitting in oceans isn't disrupted yet we can visibly tell that any movement force acting on water causes water to change it's fluidity. Best case scenario is just to develop your own worldview and ask your own questions.

But its all relative

 

[MedMaxxing]

But its all relative

don't even get me started about relativity lmao

 

[Deleted member 5522]

don't even get me started about relativity lmao

It doesn't even make any fucking sense. "Relativity" is just a religion.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

impossible to be truly agnostic, or atheist, or not beeing theist. you mongrel.

 

[Deleted member 1862]

Jaden Smith's twitter tier post

 

[Deleted member 6873]

caging at the tinfoils itt

 

[Deleted member 6873]

Jaden Smith's twitter tier post

god i wanna do ketamine of ur avi's tits

 

[Deleted member 4612]

Jaden Smith's twitter tier post

cope

 

[Deleted member 3043]

if you start from the peripatetic axiom as most materialist 'skeptic' types do you cant know anything in the classical sense

all epistemology becomes subjective and contingent

this is why God is necessary to provide the grounding for objective knowledge, regularity in nature, causality, existence of other minds, metaphysics, intangible and invariant categories like numbers/logic, etc.

outside of a worldview that can provide such grounding there is no way to generate true knowledge about the external world let alone whether the 'earth' is 'flat'

if you are to be consistently agnostic you must also be agnostic about every other unexamined presupposition upon which your worldview is contingent

Are we so sure that there is such a thing as causality? Have we falsified it, confirmed it experimentally? Can we see causality with the eye or feel it with our fingers? What about object permanence or the existence of numbers/logic? The existence of other minds? Whether or not our sense data is providing us access to an objective external world? etc. etc. None of these things can be demonstrated or accounted for purely from sense data by the faculty of reason.

Exactly, i've discussed these issues in others threads. If you'r truly agnostic or claim atheism you have THE OBLIGATION to go into epoke and shut your damn mouth because nothing is totally proven, not even the principle of non contradiction that we use to speak, or to move, or to think.

 

[Deleted member 1862]

god i wanna do ketamine of ur avi's tits

me too ngl

 

[Deleted member 3043]

god i wanna do ketamine of ur avi's tits

and me in yours.

 

[Deleted member 1862]

cope

 

[Deleted member 6873]

me too ngl

based

and me in yours.

kinky

 

[Deleted member 3043]

idk what this phobia is called but it hurts the back of my head seeing this shit

 

[Deleted member 4612]

gross ngl