Christians are the Worst People I have met in Life

[zyzz007 returns]

None of them have actually really read the bible for themselves or even care about Jesus.
They just want to be in an accepted social club and get God to bless them with money, riches, power
and look like a good person to society.

Most of them are rude, disrespectful, liars, thieves, robbers who behave horribly throughout the week
then try to act like a saint on Sunday.

A lot of the have committed adultery, drink, smoke, promiscuity and disobey all teachings of Jesus and the bible.

They are basically evil capitalists using Jesus to get things of the world and acceptance by society
which is ironically the things Christ and his disciples preaches against.

Jesus literally said if the world loves you then you dont belong to him.
His disciples all were against loving thing of the world, partying, adultery etc.

I have never met such horrible people in my life. They dont display ANY of the traits of the Holy Spirit
or practice any Christian virtues. They are all about money and doing whatever if takes to keep up with the Joneses.

Other religious people are bad too, all religious are corrupt and manmade

 

[crazyguy]

None of them have actually really read the bible for themselves or even care about Jesus.
They just want to be in an accepted social club and get God to bless them with money, riches, power
and look like a good person to society.

Most of them are rude, disrespectful, liars, thieves, robbers who behave horribly throughout the week
then try to act like a saint on Sunday.

A lot of the have committed adultery, drink, smoke, promiscuity and disobey all teachings of Jesus and the bible.

They are basically evil capitalists using Jesus to get things of the world and acceptance by society
which is ironically the things Christ and his disciples preaches against.

Jesus literally said if the world loves you then you dont belong to him.
His disciples all were against loving thing of the world, partying, adultery etc.

I have never met such horrible people in my life. They dont display ANY of the traits of the Holy Spirit
or practice any Christian virtues. They are all about money and doing whatever if takes to keep up with the Joneses.

Other religious people are bad too, all religious are corrupt and manmade

the christians ive met are pretty chill

 

[FiendFiend]

Ngl them being so "moral" is actually insane like u can use them as therapists. Lmfao a lot of the "christians" never struggled with household abuse or any sort of pain and think world holds some form of justice. So when u teld them a sob story they get real sad for u and hug u and shit its kinda funny.

 

[FiendFiend]

None of them have actually really read the bible for themselves or even care about Jesus.
They just want to be in an accepted social club and get God to bless them with money, riches, power
and look like a good person to society.

Most of them are rude, disrespectful, liars, thieves, robbers who behave horribly throughout the week
then try to act like a saint on Sunday.

A lot of the have committed adultery, drink, smoke, promiscuity and disobey all teachings of Jesus and the bible.

They are basically evil capitalists using Jesus to get things of the world and acceptance by society
which is ironically the things Christ and his disciples preaches against.

Jesus literally said if the world loves you then you dont belong to him.
His disciples all were against loving thing of the world, partying, adultery etc.

I have never met such horrible people in my life. They dont display ANY of the traits of the Holy Spirit
or practice any Christian virtues. They are all about money and doing whatever if takes to keep up with the Joneses.

Other religious people are bad too, all religious are corrupt and manmade

nah bro christians are chill. Theyre usually good kids or reformed and genually godd poeple but the issue is they arent exempt from BP thats why its so funny. Like I could be the most shit person ever and u will have some christian preacher say "my brother in christ I can see in your eyes u have a good soul". So if u got a50 ur a good soul? right...

 

[Deleted member 1813]

Regular ones are chill, i had a bad run in with one of those evangelist types that stopped me on my walk and asked if i thought i was going to heaven. Told him im not religious and that we all had different beliefs and he was like “no i don’t have a belief I have a truth” and he basically told me im going to hell lmao

 

[takethewhitepill]

Most people who claim to be Christians are like this, personally I would tell someone I am a follower of the Gospel of Jesus Christ because most people don't read any of the bible and most don't even go to church (not that you need to, it's works, but if they don't read the bible then they don't even know what they believe because how would they). FYI though drinking is fine as long as you are not an alcoholic just like how we can eat whatever we want (though I believe if we want to follow Gods desires we should eat vegetarian, somewhat unpopular view in the church but I can give you arguments) but we shouldn't be fat because our bodies should glorify God. Would you dislike someone like me who was educated in apologetics and decided through evidence that this is the logical conclusion and submit to my creator and His will, aiming to live as in accordance to it as I can?

 

[jeoyw9192]

None of them have actually really read the bible for themselves or even care about Jesus.
They just want to be in an accepted social club and get God to bless them with money, riches, power
and look like a good person to society.

Most of them are rude, disrespectful, liars, thieves, robbers who behave horribly throughout the week
then try to act like a saint on Sunday.

A lot of the have committed adultery, drink, smoke, promiscuity and disobey all teachings of Jesus and the bible.

They are basically evil capitalists using Jesus to get things of the world and acceptance by society
which is ironically the things Christ and his disciples preaches against.

Jesus literally said if the world loves you then you dont belong to him.
His disciples all were against loving thing of the world, partying, adultery etc.

I have never met such horrible people in my life. They dont display ANY of the traits of the Holy Spirit
or practice any Christian virtues. They are all about money and doing whatever if takes to keep up with the Joneses.

Other religious people are bad too, all religious are corrupt and manmade

I will respect them if they respect me. Unfortunately this isn't always the case, especially with the Abrahamic religions. And yeah its funny they think they are morally superior or something and are always like "repent" "Christ is king" like alright bruh u made ur point thats not for me I dont care. And they are always trying to preach to convert not to actually learn anything new; mfers in DMs literally tried doing that here

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

None of them have actually really read the bible for themselves or even care about Jesus.
They just want to be in an accepted social club and get God to bless them with money, riches, power
and look like a good person to society.

Most of them are rude, disrespectful, liars, thieves, robbers who behave horribly throughout the week
then try to act like a saint on Sunday.

A lot of the have committed adultery, drink, smoke, promiscuity and disobey all teachings of Jesus and the bible.

They are basically evil capitalists using Jesus to get things of the world and acceptance by society
which is ironically the things Christ and his disciples preaches against.

Jesus literally said if the world loves you then you dont belong to him.
His disciples all were against loving thing of the world, partying, adultery etc.

I have never met such horrible people in my life. They dont display ANY of the traits of the Holy Spirit
or practice any Christian virtues. They are all about money and doing whatever if takes to keep up with the Joneses.

Other religious people are bad too, all religious are corrupt and manmade

Those people are jsut white people


They aren’t Christians. Yes we have an big issue with many frauds claiming to be Christian but they ain’t, however even practicing Christian’s (which are an extreme minority in the west and are usually ethnics and blacks) have our faults but that’s expected we Christian’s aren’t expected to be perfect but we are expected to strive for it at all costs and that’s why Jesus saves us and heals us because through his help we can change it’s a process.


Now the other religions and people also do their own issues they are just sneaky with it and don’t have white people giving the Relgion shitty PR. Muslims drink Alchahol and party where I live and fuck white girls outside of marrige and my Freind groups are mainly Muslims so I’m not speaking out my ass here my buddy jsut came back from Amsterdam having slayed in red light… and he’s MUSLIM.


Point is you’ll have munafiqs in every faith but whites are the biggest Munafiqs and unfortunately they larp as Christian’s the most hence why you think what you think but if you wanna see true Christian’s look at Eastern Europe, middle eastern and African Christian’s

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Most people who claim to be Christians are like this, personally I would tell someone I am a follower of the Gospel of Jesus Christ because most people don't read any of the bible and most don't even go to church (not that you need to, it's works, but if they don't read the bible then they don't even know what they believe because how would they). FYI though drinking is fine as long as you are not an alcoholic just like how we can eat whatever we want (though I believe if we want to follow Gods desires we should eat vegetarian, somewhat unpopular view in the church but I can give you arguments) but we shouldn't be fat because our bodies should glorify God. Would you dislike someone like me who was educated in apologetics and decided through evidence that this is the logical conclusion and submit to my creator and His will, aiming to live as in accordance to it as I can?

This is the problem I have with Protestantism. All of you lot think you can read the Bible and have perfect understanding… but you don’t, it’s a sin to be prideful and you all suffer from it, imagine reading a 4-2K year old book and thinking you get the nuances of the book? This is why the church gave us the book the church interpreted the book told us what each passage means etc and yet you deny the church and claim to read and understand the book yourselves? Ever wondered why protties have over 40K denominations? The reason is because each of you lot read the book and form your own incorrect interpretations of said book which leads you into heresy and falsehood

Join the one true church and Find out what the ancients believed in as I can say my interpretation stretches back to the first 300 years of the religion as I have the saints writings from back then and the apostles

 

[segmt]

None of them have actually really read the bible for themselves or even care about Jesus.
They just want to be in an accepted social club and get God to bless them with money, riches, power
and look like a good person to society.

Most of them are rude, disrespectful, liars, thieves, robbers who behave horribly throughout the week
then try to act like a saint on Sunday.

A lot of the have committed adultery, drink, smoke, promiscuity and disobey all teachings of Jesus and the bible.

They are basically evil capitalists using Jesus to get things of the world and acceptance by society
which is ironically the things Christ and his disciples preaches against.

Jesus literally said if the world loves you then you dont belong to him.
His disciples all were against loving thing of the world, partying, adultery etc.

I have never met such horrible people in my life. They dont display ANY of the traits of the Holy Spirit
or practice any Christian virtues. They are all about money and doing whatever if takes to keep up with the Joneses.

Other religious people are bad too, all religious are corrupt and manmade

because they're normies. Normies that just ride the bandwagon, that call themselves christian because others do/ their parents did, etc.

 

[takethewhitepill]

This is the problem I have with Protestantism. All of you lot think you can read the Bible and have perfect understanding… but you don’t, it’s a sin to be prideful and you all suffer from it, imagine reading a 4-2K year old book and thinking you get the nuances of the book? This is why the church gave us the book the church interpreted the book told us what each passage means etc and yet you deny the church and claim to read and understand the book yourselves? Ever wondered why protties have over 40K denominations? The reason is because each of you lot read the book and form your own incorrect interpretations of said book which leads you into heresy and falsehood

Join the one true church and Find out what the ancients believed in as I can say my interpretation stretches back to the first 300 years of the religion as I have the saints writings from back then and the apostles

I'm not protestant but I'll bite. We can understand the word of God preserved in the bible because God made it so the words are not simply words on a pages but rather through the Holy Spirit we can understand His will. It is prideful to think that your traditions you developed hundreds of years after Jesus came are better at showing you the truth than the divine and God breathed preserved gospel. I don't care what your church (which is by the way heretical) has to say about what a verse means, God tells me what it means by writing it for me to read. The fact that you say the church gave us the book alone is enough for me to laugh at your heresy.

You talk all about how we couldn't understand the writings of people at the time and yet talk about the first 300 years of church writings. If I want that I'll go back to the first 80 years and read the Gospel.

 

[Lefty Rankin]

None of them have actually really read the bible for themselves or even care about Jesus.
They just want to be in an accepted social club and get God to bless them with money, riches, power
and look like a good person to society.

Most of them are rude, disrespectful, liars, thieves, robbers who behave horribly throughout the week
then try to act like a saint on Sunday.

A lot of the have committed adultery, drink, smoke, promiscuity and disobey all teachings of Jesus and the bible.

They are basically evil capitalists using Jesus to get things of the world and acceptance by society
which is ironically the things Christ and his disciples preaches against.

Jesus literally said if the world loves you then you dont belong to him.
His disciples all were against loving thing of the world, partying, adultery etc.

I have never met such horrible people in my life. They dont display ANY of the traits of the Holy Spirit
or practice any Christian virtues. They are all about money and doing whatever if takes to keep up with the Joneses.

Other religious people are bad too, all religious are corrupt and manmade

You've spoken nothing false here. It's all spot on.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I'm not protestant but I'll bite. We can understand the word of God preserved in the bible because God made it so the words are not simply words on a pages but rather through the Holy Spirit we can understand His will. It is prideful to think that your traditions you developed hundreds of years after Jesus came are better at showing you the truth than the divine and God breathed preserved gospel. I don't care what your church (which is by the way heretical) has to say about what a verse means, God tells me what it means by writing it for me to read. The fact that you say the church gave us the book alone is enough for me to laugh at your heresy.

You talk all about how we couldn't understand the writings of people at the time and yet talk about the first 300 years of church writings. If I want that I'll go back to the first 80 years and read the Gospel.

Well shit it you ain’t prottie then nothing I said apply then lol

But having read your response it’s clear you are a Protestant because well only Protestants deny the Churxh which once again GAVE YOU THE BIBLE YOU HOLD . I mean without the traditions can you tell me who wrote the gospels , serious question here, without the tradition of the church you can’t know who wrote the gospels they are annoninous. Without the tradition of the chruxh you have no way to actually understand the interpretation of any of the verses chapters etc it’s all you assuming based on your own personal bias and predisposition.

Many non denominationals (which is what I’m assuming you are? And yes they are Protestants as non denominationalism is another Protestant heresy) say “The Holy Spirit guides me into reading and interpreting the text” but the reality is your interpretation is based on your spirits disposition that’s why Mormons and Jehovah witnesses read the SAME BIBLE as you protties yet end up being complete heathens and why American Evanglicals become ultra Jew lovers. So clearly “MUH READINF BIBLE guided by Holy Spirit” isn’t enough as that’s once again an assertion but when examined it fails as an litmus test because if it didn’t then you protties would all be in the same Lutheran or Anglican cult.

It’s ironic you call what i said “heresy” when st Ignatus who was the disciple of ST JOHN THE APOSTLE (yes that one who WROTE THE GOSPEL OF JOHN) stated and im quoting here “Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.” So yeah clearly the deciple the man taught by JOHN HIMSELF DISAGREES WITH YOU. Not only this but 1 Timothy 3:15 states “The church is the pillar and foundation of truth” completely BTFO’ing your silly comment about me saying tradition is heretical which is ironic because the Bible is TRADITION, you think the early Christian’s had access to all the books of the Bible? You realise it took the church 600 years to set the current numbers of books to 76 books right you realise that? (Council of trullo in the 600s). So you use a book which was founded by tradition passed on by tradition and handed down by tradition but you deny and reject tradition


Protestant moment over here, this is why Protestants aren’t actually Christian’s, you guys have deviated from the teachings to such a degree you guys are jsut readers of our books but like a child reading a physics paper you guys are in the dark and blindly make things up hence why your religion is 40K denominations whilst mine is the exact same one founded by Christ in 33 AD and hasn’t changed

 

[takethewhitepill]

Well shit it you ain’t prottie then nothing I said apply then lol

But having read your response it’s clear you are a Protestant because well only Protestants deny the Churxh which once again GAVE YOU THE BIBLE YOU HOLD . I mean without the traditions can you tell me who wrote the gospels , serious question here, without the tradition of the church you can’t know who wrote the gospels they are annoninous. Without the tradition of the chruxh you have no way to actually understand the interpretation of any of the verses chapters etc it’s all you assuming based on your own personal bias and predisposition.

Many non denominationals (which is what I’m assuming you are? And yes they are Protestants as non denominationalism is another Protestant heresy) say “The Holy Spirit guides me into reading and interpreting the text” but the reality is your interpretation is based on your spirits disposition that’s why Mormons and Jehovah witnesses read the SAME BIBLE as you protties yet end up being complete heathens and why American Evanglicals become ultra Jew lovers. So clearly “MUH READINF BIBLE guided by Holy Spirit” isn’t enough as that’s once again an assertion but when examined it fails as an litmus test because if it didn’t then you protties would all be in the same Lutheran or Anglican cult.

It’s ironic you call what i said “heresy” when st Ignatus who was the disciple of ST JOHN THE APOSTLE (yes that one who WROTE THE GOSPEL OF JOHN) stated and im quoting here “Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.” So yeah clearly the deciple the man taught by JOHN HIMSELF DISAGREES WITH YOU. Not only this but 1 Timothy 3:15 states “The church is the pillar and foundation of truth” completely BTFO’ing your silly comment about me saying tradition is heretical which is ironic because the Bible is TRADITION, you think the early Christian’s had access to all the books of the Bible? You realise it took the church 600 years to set the current numbers of books to 76 books right you realise that? (Council of trullo in the 600s). So you use a book which was founded by tradition passed on by tradition and handed down by tradition but you deny and reject tradition


Protestant moment over here, this is why Protestants aren’t actually Christian’s, you guys have deviated from the teachings to such a degree you guys are jsut readers of our books but like a child reading a physics paper you guys are in the dark and blindly make things up hence why your religion is 40K denominations whilst mine is the exact same one founded by Christ in 33 AD and hasn’t changed

First, I would urge you not to keep arguing about the 40k denominations because it's the same weak argument athiests use to say that we don't believe in thousands of gods (which they don't even realise we do but the bible tells us that God is more powerful than all of them) and yet we think we have the right one, that is to say that my interpretation aligning with reformed theology should be analysed according to its merit. Actually even some smarter athiests will try to say that there being so many denominations of Christianity as a whole disproves it but obviously not.

I am looked it up and apparently it is Protestant theology because I reject the Roman catholic church, but its more commonly considered post protestantism because we affirm the bible alone (biblicism) as the authority and don't believe we need to ask church fathers for things not covered in scripture because scripture allows us to understand Gods perfect nature, as well as the view on heart posturing which I don't know if you affirm but as you already would know the stance is that if something isn't explicitly covered but you think it could be sinful and you do it you have sinned, take for example masturbation (though there are arguments for each side such as that for masturbation you must be lustful etc. but you get the idea).

You did not give us the bible, by the way. God did. Yes, the decision of what books to include was ratified by the church in 600 but claiming that there is in any way a human element to this is ridiculous, it comes down to three things. First, through the church God provided the Canon of scripture Himself, no matter what traditions we have and how well preserved you would surely agree that we cannot make judgements ourselves on what is and isn't part of His gospel (I understand some irony here that you might say I am determining my own view on scripture and doing the same, but again I do believe we are given understanding by the Holy Spirit and either way I am still affirming the scripture and using Gods perfect and clear will from every other book to try to properly understand. Most verses are very clear though and I both reference the hebrew or Greek (mostly old testament though) to check other uses of a word and am learning ancient hebrew myself).
Second, even today we would form the same Canon because the gnostic texts were obvious fakes and we can tell the others are reliable historical texts. Third, the Canon was already being passed down which while you may say requires tradition it's more just that nobody had yet formalised it but everyone knew the Canon just like they did back in John's time as we have evidence in the bible to say that people knew which texts were real or fake and hence why they never bothered to write it until the church expanded so greatly. Plus most people couldn't read so those who could would just tell everyone the true gospels as compared to later when people started reading and not knowing what to trust.

I'd like to hear more on what you mean by my spirits disposition, this sounds fine to me though? We are spiritually dead without God and through Him we are given a new spirit that is His Holy Spirit.

Ezekiel 36:26-27 KJV
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

The reason however that there are many heretical churches is a couple. Firstly Mormons don't actually affirm our scripture, they affirm the KJV (sort of) and the book of Mormon as well as writings of each head of church. Many of the heretical denominations do this and I would say that this argument is like saying the Catholic Church is wrong because Muslims affirm parts of scripture and yet they are Muslim. Now for others like the Unitarians, they actually do not affirm the bible and view it as more of a personal spiritual journey according to chatgpt since I couldn't find out what they affirm textually. I honestly don't know off the top of my head any churches that properly affirm the entire bible and nothing more while being heretical. I might be missing something here but please don't me know. If anyone like that does exist then I would say they are probably doing it for some sort of personal gain or have been lead astray by the devil, not that he can change how we interpret scripture per se but rather that they are simply too tempted to ignore the word of God.

I don't affirm Ignatus nor any of your saints really though I respect them as theologians, but I'll engage. First I would not that per the schism I could argue you have the wrong church but I won't because I don't believe in papal succession or whatever you guys call it. I only care about God and so I affirm Jesus Christ, the others serve not as teachers of men thriugh divine means but to give us an understanding of Christ. The 4 central gospels are eyewitness accounts of His life and the Pauline Epistles are to give us all of the direction Jesus gave on how to run the church, so that is all the church tradition I will follow. Now, when he says the Catholic Church he is saying Catholic to mean of broad scope, that is the church of Christ is the group of people that are the believers. The church is not a building, but a people. Because the schism had not happened he is obviously not referring to your denomination. Saying that we gather with the bishop I take to mean that we should organise our people together and congregate, and do so by someone who understood (through being one of few people able to read) the bible. This is just a call for organised religion. Generally I find this goes against having denominations at all because we are united under Christ which is my position as well so I do agree.

I think this is a very malicious reading of Timothy by the way, in fact it is in Timothy we are told not to have itching ears. But to be clear the church that Paul is referring to is the group of people who affirm the resurrection of Jesus Christ and he says that they know the truth (I am kind of just taking a very rough reading here and would have to read the passage in context, but this is a general theme throughout Paul's writings).

I appreciate the response, I might have missed something because this was somewhat exhaustive but let me know and I'll respond. Tag some Christian users and see if anyone else wants to weigh in, I'm open to having my mind changed but currently you haven't really convinced me.

@subhuman1996 is orthodox. @_MVP_ is catholic. @Aladin seems to be some type of reformed. @Uehdbwidbfngj is something but I'd like him to weigh in.

Response took forever to write, if you want to start a thread to debate denominations we can do that btw and move all of this over.

 

[tunisianropemaxxer]

None of them have actually really read the bible for themselves or even care about Jesus.
They just want to be in an accepted social club and get God to bless them with money, riches, power
and look like a good person to society.

Most of them are rude, disrespectful, liars, thieves, robbers who behave horribly throughout the week
then try to act like a saint on Sunday.

A lot of the have committed adultery, drink, smoke, promiscuity and disobey all teachings of Jesus and the bible.

They are basically evil capitalists using Jesus to get things of the world and acceptance by society
which is ironically the things Christ and his disciples preaches against.

Jesus literally said if the world loves you then you dont belong to him.
His disciples all were against loving thing of the world, partying, adultery etc.

I have never met such horrible people in my life. They dont display ANY of the traits of the Holy Spirit
or practice any Christian virtues. They are all about money and doing whatever if takes to keep up with the Joneses.

Other religious people are bad too, all religious are corrupt and manmade

Most are bad people
Some are good

 

[slaters]

the christians ive met are pretty chill

Same

 

[Aladin]

First, I would urge you not to keep arguing about the 40k denominations because it's the same weak argument athiests use to say that we don't believe in thousands of gods (which they don't even realise we do but the bible tells us that God is more powerful than all of them) and yet we think we have the right one, that is to say that my interpretation aligning with reformed theology should be analysed according to its merit. Actually even some smarter athiests will try to say that there being so many denominations of Christianity as a whole disproves it but obviously not.

I am looked it up and apparently it is Protestant theology because I reject the Roman catholic church, but its more commonly considered post protestantism because we affirm the bible alone (biblicism) as the authority and don't believe we need to ask church fathers for things not covered in scripture because scripture allows us to understand Gods perfect nature, as well as the view on heart posturing which I don't know if you affirm but as you already would know the stance is that if something isn't explicitly covered but you think it could be sinful and you do it you have sinned, take for example masturbation (though there are arguments for each side such as that for masturbation you must be lustful etc. but you get the idea).

You did not give us the bible, by the way. God did. Yes, the decision of what books to include was ratified by the church in 600 but claiming that there is in any way a human element to this is ridiculous, it comes down to three things. First, through the church God provided the Canon of scripture Himself, no matter what traditions we have and how well preserved you would surely agree that we cannot make judgements ourselves on what is and isn't part of His gospel (I understand some irony here that you might say I am determining my own view on scripture and doing the same, but again I do believe we are given understanding by the Holy Spirit and either way I am still affirming the scripture and using Gods perfect and clear will from every other book to try to properly understand. Most verses are very clear though and I both reference the hebrew or Greek (mostly old testament though) to check other uses of a word and am learning ancient hebrew myself).
Second, even today we would form the same Canon because the gnostic texts were obvious fakes and we can tell the others are reliable historical texts. Third, the Canon was already being passed down which while you may say requires tradition it's more just that nobody had yet formalised it but everyone knew the Canon just like they did back in John's time as we have evidence in the bible to say that people knew which texts were real or fake and hence why they never bothered to write it until the church expanded so greatly. Plus most people couldn't read so those who could would just tell everyone the true gospels as compared to later when people started reading and not knowing what to trust.

I'd like to hear more on what you mean by my spirits disposition, this sounds fine to me though? We are spiritually dead without God and through Him we are given a new spirit that is His Holy Spirit.

Ezekiel 36:26-27 KJV
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

The reason however that there are many heretical churches is a couple. Firstly Mormons don't actually affirm our scripture, they affirm the KJV (sort of) and the book of Mormon as well as writings of each head of church. Many of the heretical denominations do this and I would say that this argument is like saying the Catholic Church is wrong because Muslims affirm parts of scripture and yet they are Muslim. Now for others like the Unitarians, they actually do not affirm the bible and view it as more of a personal spiritual journey according to chatgpt since I couldn't find out what they affirm textually. I honestly don't know off the top of my head any churches that properly affirm the entire bible and nothing more while being heretical. I might be missing something here but please don't me know. If anyone like that does exist then I would say they are probably doing it for some sort of personal gain or have been lead astray by the devil, not that he can change how we interpret scripture per se but rather that they are simply too tempted to ignore the word of God.

I don't affirm Ignatus nor any of your saints really though I respect them as theologians, but I'll engage. First I would not that per the schism I could argue you have the wrong church but I won't because I don't believe in papal succession or whatever you guys call it. I only care about God and so I affirm Jesus Christ, the others serve not as teachers of men thriugh divine means but to give us an understanding of Christ. The 4 central gospels are eyewitness accounts of His life and the Pauline Epistles are to give us all of the direction Jesus gave on how to run the church, so that is all the church tradition I will follow. Now, when he says the Catholic Church he is saying Catholic to mean of broad scope, that is the church of Christ is the group of people that are the believers. The church is not a building, but a people. Because the schism had not happened he is obviously not referring to your denomination. Saying that we gather with the bishop I take to mean that we should organise our people together and congregate, and do so by someone who understood (through being one of few people able to read) the bible. This is just a call for organised religion. Generally I find this goes against having denominations at all because we are united under Christ which is my position as well so I do agree.

I think this is a very malicious reading of Timothy by the way, in fact it is in Timothy we are told not to have itching ears. But to be clear the church that Paul is referring to is the group of people who affirm the resurrection of Jesus Christ and he says that they know the truth (I am kind of just taking a very rough reading here and would have to read the passage in context, but this is a general theme throughout Paul's writings).

I appreciate the response, I might have missed something because this was somewhat exhaustive but let me know and I'll respond. Tag some Christian users and see if anyone else wants to weigh in, I'm open to having my mind changed but currently you haven't really convinced me.

@subhuman1996 is orthodox. @_MVP_ is catholic. @Aladin seems to be some type of reformed. @Uehdbwidbfngj is something but I'd like him to weigh in.

Response took forever to write, if you want to start a thread to debate denominations we can do that btw and move all of this over.

I’m Protestant.

 

[subhuman1996]

First, I would urge you not to keep arguing about the 40k denominations because it's the same weak argument athiests use to say that we don't believe in thousands of gods (which they don't even realise we do but the bible tells us that God is more powerful than all of them) and yet we think we have the right one, that is to say that my interpretation aligning with reformed theology should be analysed according to its merit. Actually even some smarter athiests will try to say that there being so many denominations of Christianity as a whole disproves it but obviously not.

I am looked it up and apparently it is Protestant theology because I reject the Roman catholic church, but its more commonly considered post protestantism because we affirm the bible alone (biblicism) as the authority and don't believe we need to ask church fathers for things not covered in scripture because scripture allows us to understand Gods perfect nature, as well as the view on heart posturing which I don't know if you affirm but as you already would know the stance is that if something isn't explicitly covered but you think it could be sinful and you do it you have sinned, take for example masturbation (though there are arguments for each side such as that for masturbation you must be lustful etc. but you get the idea).

You did not give us the bible, by the way. God did. Yes, the decision of what books to include was ratified by the church in 600 but claiming that there is in any way a human element to this is ridiculous, it comes down to three things. First, through the church God provided the Canon of scripture Himself, no matter what traditions we have and how well preserved you would surely agree that we cannot make judgements ourselves on what is and isn't part of His gospel (I understand some irony here that you might say I am determining my own view on scripture and doing the same, but again I do believe we are given understanding by the Holy Spirit and either way I am still affirming the scripture and using Gods perfect and clear will from every other book to try to properly understand. Most verses are very clear though and I both reference the hebrew or Greek (mostly old testament though) to check other uses of a word and am learning ancient hebrew myself).
Second, even today we would form the same Canon because the gnostic texts were obvious fakes and we can tell the others are reliable historical texts. Third, the Canon was already being passed down which while you may say requires tradition it's more just that nobody had yet formalised it but everyone knew the Canon just like they did back in John's time as we have evidence in the bible to say that people knew which texts were real or fake and hence why they never bothered to write it until the church expanded so greatly. Plus most people couldn't read so those who could would just tell everyone the true gospels as compared to later when people started reading and not knowing what to trust.

I'd like to hear more on what you mean by my spirits disposition, this sounds fine to me though? We are spiritually dead without God and through Him we are given a new spirit that is His Holy Spirit.

Ezekiel 36:26-27 KJV
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

The reason however that there are many heretical churches is a couple. Firstly Mormons don't actually affirm our scripture, they affirm the KJV (sort of) and the book of Mormon as well as writings of each head of church. Many of the heretical denominations do this and I would say that this argument is like saying the Catholic Church is wrong because Muslims affirm parts of scripture and yet they are Muslim. Now for others like the Unitarians, they actually do not affirm the bible and view it as more of a personal spiritual journey according to chatgpt since I couldn't find out what they affirm textually. I honestly don't know off the top of my head any churches that properly affirm the entire bible and nothing more while being heretical. I might be missing something here but please don't me know. If anyone like that does exist then I would say they are probably doing it for some sort of personal gain or have been lead astray by the devil, not that he can change how we interpret scripture per se but rather that they are simply too tempted to ignore the word of God.

I don't affirm Ignatus nor any of your saints really though I respect them as theologians, but I'll engage. First I would not that per the schism I could argue you have the wrong church but I won't because I don't believe in papal succession or whatever you guys call it. I only care about God and so I affirm Jesus Christ, the others serve not as teachers of men thriugh divine means but to give us an understanding of Christ. The 4 central gospels are eyewitness accounts of His life and the Pauline Epistles are to give us all of the direction Jesus gave on how to run the church, so that is all the church tradition I will follow. Now, when he says the Catholic Church he is saying Catholic to mean of broad scope, that is the church of Christ is the group of people that are the believers. The church is not a building, but a people. Because the schism had not happened he is obviously not referring to your denomination. Saying that we gather with the bishop I take to mean that we should organise our people together and congregate, and do so by someone who understood (through being one of few people able to read) the bible. This is just a call for organised religion. Generally I find this goes against having denominations at all because we are united under Christ which is my position as well so I do agree.

I think this is a very malicious reading of Timothy by the way, in fact it is in Timothy we are told not to have itching ears. But to be clear the church that Paul is referring to is the group of people who affirm the resurrection of Jesus Christ and he says that they know the truth (I am kind of just taking a very rough reading here and would have to read the passage in context, but this is a general theme throughout Paul's writings).

I appreciate the response, I might have missed something because this was somewhat exhaustive but let me know and I'll respond. Tag some Christian users and see if anyone else wants to weigh in, I'm open to having my mind changed but currently you haven't really convinced me.

@subhuman1996 is orthodox. @_MVP_ is catholic. @Aladin seems to be some type of reformed. @Uehdbwidbfngj is something but I'd like him to weigh in.

Response took forever to write, if you want to start a thread to debate denominations we can do that btw and move all of this over.

High iq post. Gonna read every single molecule

 

[takethewhitepill]

I’m Protestant.

What do you think of the points he and I are making and what is your stance, I want to know why you are Protestant and he calls protestantism heresy or at least talks about Protestant heresy

 

[takethewhitepill]

High iq post. Gonna read every single molecule

Goat we might disagree on some aspects here but I want to hear you weigh in

 

[takethewhitepill]

Most are bad people
Some are good

My man, weigh in here on our debate. New avi? Or maybe I'm stupid

 

[tunisianropemaxxer]

My man, weigh in here on our debate. New avi? Or maybe I'm stupid

yh i got a new avi
cause im yellow now

 

[Aladin]

What do you think of the points he and I are making and what is your stance, I want to know why you are Protestant and he calls protestantism heresy or at least talks about Protestant heresy

His argument is appeal to tradition.

 

[_MVP_]

im indeed catholic

 

[paladincel_]

Great OP 0/10 garbage that I didn't read 0.00000000000000000000000000000001% of a plank length of.

 

[ijustwannaascendlol]

None of them have actually really read the bible for themselves or even care about Jesus.
They just want to be in an accepted social club and get God to bless them with money, riches, power
and look like a good person to society.

Most of them are rude, disrespectful, liars, thieves, robbers who behave horribly throughout the week
then try to act like a saint on Sunday.

A lot of the have committed adultery, drink, smoke, promiscuity and disobey all teachings of Jesus and the bible.

They are basically evil capitalists using Jesus to get things of the world and acceptance by society
which is ironically the things Christ and his disciples preaches against.

Jesus literally said if the world loves you then you dont belong to him.
His disciples all were against loving thing of the world, partying, adultery etc.

I have never met such horrible people in my life. They dont display ANY of the traits of the Holy Spirit
or practice any Christian virtues. They are all about money and doing whatever if takes to keep up with the Joneses.

Other religious people are bad too, all religious are corrupt and manmade

Yea tru, i luv god anyways

 

[zyzz007 returns]

You've spoken nothing false here. It's all spot on.

i
used
to
listen
to
this
guy
alot
back
in
the
day.

 

[Afrab]

@PrinceLuenLeoncur You have committed adultery you bastard child.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

@PrinceLuenLeoncur You have committed adultery you bastard child.

No I haven’t… I haven’t ever cheated on a spouse keep coping sbdooooooooooool

 

[Meteor21]

It's used as a tool for people to push their political and social agendas. They can't say "Do X, act this way cause I said so." cause people will just say go fuck yourself. So they say God said to and if you don't obey you go to hell.

 

[Afrab]

No I haven’t… I haven’t ever cheated on a spouse keep coping sbdooooooooooool

Shut up fornicating bastard whatever the term is stop doing sin and repent to your lord rn

 

[kababcel]

nah bro christians are chill. Theyre usually good kids or reformed and genually godd poeple but the issue is they arent exempt from BP thats why its so funny. Like I could be the most shit person ever and u will have some christian preacher say "my brother in christ I can see in your eyes u have a good soul". So if u got a50 ur a good soul? right...

Uh a50? Dont u mean T?

 

[Swancel]

Christians are cool.

 

[Lefty Rankin]

i
used
to
listen
to
this
guy
alot
back
in
the
day.

Is there a reason you don't anymore. I've watched a lot of his videos and haven't seen anything that think would grieve the Holy Spirit.

 

[Centurion_Hunter]

None of them have actually really read the bible for themselves or even care about Jesus.
They just want to be in an accepted social club and get God to bless them with money, riches, power
and look like a good person to society.

Most of them are rude, disrespectful, liars, thieves, robbers who behave horribly throughout the week
then try to act like a saint on Sunday.

A lot of the have committed adultery, drink, smoke, promiscuity and disobey all teachings of Jesus and the bible.

They are basically evil capitalists using Jesus to get things of the world and acceptance by society
which is ironically the things Christ and his disciples preaches against.

Jesus literally said if the world loves you then you dont belong to him.
His disciples all were against loving thing of the world, partying, adultery etc.

I have never met such horrible people in my life. They dont display ANY of the traits of the Holy Spirit
or practice any Christian virtues. They are all about money and doing whatever if takes to keep up with the Joneses.

Other religious people are bad too, all religious are corrupt and manmade

Most normies are tok low IQ to understand their religion. Now that they dont have to worry about starvation and disease they are becoming more decadent(see mouse experiment), regardless of religion.
You see teens in Orthodox countries doing heretical shit and being whores and lots of muslims drinking and racking up bodycounts now that they were given new rights.

 

[dps2008]

None of them have actually really read the bible for themselves or even care about Jesus.
They just want to be in an accepted social club and get God to bless them with money, riches, power
and look like a good person to society.

Most of them are rude, disrespectful, liars, thieves, robbers who behave horribly throughout the week
then try to act like a saint on Sunday.

A lot of the have committed adultery, drink, smoke, promiscuity and disobey all teachings of Jesus and the bible.

They are basically evil capitalists using Jesus to get things of the world and acceptance by society
which is ironically the things Christ and his disciples preaches against.

Jesus literally said if the world loves you then you dont belong to him.
His disciples all were against loving thing of the world, partying, adultery etc.

I have never met such horrible people in my life. They dont display ANY of the traits of the Holy Spirit
or practice any Christian virtues. They are all about money and doing whatever if takes to keep up with the Joneses.

Other religious people are bad too, all religious are corrupt and manmade

Imagine believe in religion in 2025