Circadian timing + Impact on GH pulses

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John said:

Spoiler: DISCLAIMER





“Did you change something about your sleep?”

a coworker asked me after a few weeks of seeing me first thing in the morning.


Not in a tired way.

Not in a gym way.

Denser skin. Less morning bloat. Eyes looked deeper, not sunken.

What surprised me wasn’t that this worked, it was how sensitive the effect was to bedtime, not total sleep.


So yeah.

This might be one of the most overlooked looksmaxxes on this forum, and I’m posting an updated breakdown because most people still misunderstand how sleep actually works hormonally.

(B&A observations at the end)

Table of Contents

Growth Hormone Timing Explained

Why Bedtime > Sleep Duration (Within Reason)

Circadian Alignment & IGF-1 Signaling

Common Mistakes That Kill GH


Notes

Growth Hormone Basics


Growth hormone (GH) is NOT released evenly throughout the night.

  • It’s released in pulses
  • The largest pulse occurs shortly after sleep onset
  • That pulse depends on deep (slow-wave) sleep
  • Slow-wave sleep is circadian-gated
Translation:

Your body expects deep sleep early in the biological night.





Miss that window, and you DON'T “make it up” later.

Why Bedtime Matters More Than Duration


Here’s the part most people get wrong.

If you:

  • Sleep 8 hours from 3am → 11am
    vs
  • Sleep 7 hours from 11pm → 6am

You did not get equivalent GH output.

Late sleep shifts:

  • Melatonin release
  • GH pulse timing
  • Cortisol suppression
The result is:

  • Smaller GH peaks
  • Weaker downstream IGF-1 signaling
  • Less impact on skin, cartilage, and facial fat compartments

You can be unconscious for 9 hours and still miss the prime GH window.


Circadian Alignment & Facial Aesthetics


GH → IGF-1 is what actually affects looks.

This axis influences:

  • Skin thickness
  • Collagen density
  • Facial fat placement
  • Cartilage hydration (nose, ears)
When circadian timing is off:

  • GH pulses flatten
  • IGF-1 signaling weakens
  • Cortisol stays elevated longer into the night

That “tired but lean” look?

That’s endocrine misalignment, not low body fat.

What Kills GH (Even With Long Sleep)

Common mistakes:

  • Going to bed late “but sleeping enough”
  • Bright light at night
  • Late meals (especially carbs + fat)
  • Inconsistent bedtimes

Consistency matters more than perfection.


Your clock adapts or it doesn’t.


My Results & Observations


Timeline:

  • Week 1: harder sleep onset, vivid dreams
  • Week 2: less morning facial puffiness
  • Week 3–4: skin looked thicker.
BIGGEST Tell: Harsh Lighting stopped exposing EVERY major flaw.




Anyways, thanks for reading took me 2 days because i'm lazy.
 
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“Did you change something about your sleep?”

a coworker asked me after a few weeks of seeing me first thing in the morning.
This did not happen
 
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Cheers mate
 
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GTPZero says the declaration of independence is AI generated
Yes, it messes up occasionally

but that's irrelevant

I'm not even gonna mention the instant giveaways that your garbage thread was AI, because then you'll watch out for them in future threads.

The only reason I got gptzero on this was so I could show proof rather than just say its AI, this thread is garbage.
 
Yes, it messes up occasionally

but that's irrelevant

I'm not even gonna mention the instant giveaways that your garbage thread was AI, because then you'll watch out for them in future threads.

The only reason I got gptzero on this was so I could show proof rather than just say its AI, this thread is garbage.
The info in this thread might ascend you more than DIY chin fillers.
 
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John said:

Spoiler: DISCLAIMER





“Did you change something about your sleep?”

a coworker asked me after a few weeks of seeing me first thing in the morning.


Not in a tired way.

Not in a gym way.

Denser skin. Less morning bloat. Eyes looked deeper, not sunken.

What surprised me wasn’t that this worked, it was how sensitive the effect was to bedtime, not total sleep.


So yeah.

This might be one of the most overlooked looksmaxxes on this forum, and I’m posting an updated breakdown because most people still misunderstand how sleep actually works hormonally.

(B&A observations at the end)

Table of Contents

Growth Hormone Timing Explained

Why Bedtime > Sleep Duration (Within Reason)

Circadian Alignment & IGF-1 Signaling

Common Mistakes That Kill GH


Notes

Growth Hormone Basics


Growth hormone (GH) is NOT released evenly throughout the night.

  • It’s released in pulses
  • The largest pulse occurs shortly after sleep onset
  • That pulse depends on deep (slow-wave) sleep
  • Slow-wave sleep is circadian-gated
Translation:

Your body expects deep sleep early in the biological night.





Miss that window, and you DON'T “make it up” later.

Why Bedtime Matters More Than Duration


Here’s the part most people get wrong.

If you:

  • Sleep 8 hours from 3am → 11am
    vs
  • Sleep 7 hours from 11pm → 6am

You did not get equivalent GH output.

Late sleep shifts:

  • Melatonin release
  • GH pulse timing
  • Cortisol suppression
The result is:

  • Smaller GH peaks
  • Weaker downstream IGF-1 signaling
  • Less impact on skin, cartilage, and facial fat compartments

You can be unconscious for 9 hours and still miss the prime GH window.


Circadian Alignment & Facial Aesthetics


GH → IGF-1 is what actually affects looks.

This axis influences:

  • Skin thickness
  • Collagen density
  • Facial fat placement
  • Cartilage hydration (nose, ears)
When circadian timing is off:

  • GH pulses flatten
  • IGF-1 signaling weakens
  • Cortisol stays elevated longer into the night

That “tired but lean” look?

That’s endocrine misalignment, not low body fat.

What Kills GH (Even With Long Sleep)

Common mistakes:

  • Going to bed late “but sleeping enough”
  • Bright light at night
  • Late meals (especially carbs + fat)
  • Inconsistent bedtimes

Consistency matters more than perfection.


Your clock adapts or it doesn’t.


My Results & Observations


Timeline:

  • Week 1: harder sleep onset, vivid dreams
  • Week 2: less morning facial puffiness
  • Week 3–4: skin looked thicker.
BIGGEST Tell: Harsh Lighting stopped exposing EVERY major flaw.




Anyways, thanks for reading took me 2 days because i'm lazy.
BOTB? 👀
 
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The info in this thread might ascend you more than DIY chin fillers.
The entire thread can be turned into a TLDR of:

"Sleep more & sleep for long periods of time" (which everybody/most people do anyways)

I can assure you that won't ascend anybody above the age of like 13 more than bone-mimicking filler
 

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