Clavicle lengthening on a disgusting to look at frame

[WonkyChin186]

How much would clavicle lengthening help me?
My bidelt is 17.5" at 187cm

My hip bones are average but my tiny waist makes the illusion of giant child bearing hips and I've made morphs and a wider waist suits me more

So a fat graft on my waist too I'm considering

Ik nothing about gyno removal or if it would even benefit me but I'm pretty sure my gyno volume is also top1% for my bodyfat

 

[PoopyFartGamer]

Hips made for breeding

 

[IAMNOTANINCEL]

Holy fuck, you would fog so hard if you transitioned
It's not the clavicles as much as it's the hips

 

[YungAscender]

Fuck that's a brutal frame

I doubt you're getting clavicle lengthening but it would ascend you hard.

The fat graft in your waist is retarded considering you could just train your lats and obliques.

 

[WonkyChin186]

Hips made for breeding

Holy fuck, you would fog so hard if you transitioned
It's not the clavicles as much as it's the hips

Here's a morph i did of me with a wider waist

Do you agree it would get rid of the illusion of hideously wide hips

My clavicles are definitely a gigantic failo too even more so than the hips

Gyno is also truecel tier

 

[WonkyChin186]

Fuck that's a brutal frame

I doubt you're getting clavicle lengthening but it would ascend you hard.

The fat graft in your waist is retarded considering you could just train your lats and obliques.

Look what I just commented the morph i did, what do you think

Training obliques doesn't enlarge the waist I'm pretty sure

And I've been going rock climbing for a couple weeks now a few hours every other day

 

[WonkyChin186]

Fuck that's a brutal frame

I doubt you're getting clavicle lengthening but it would ascend you hard.

The fat graft in your waist is retarded considering you could just train your lats and obliques.

Also my uncle is a millionaire so yes I can and will get surgeries that would ascend me significantly

 

[Foreverbrad]

What’s your biacromial?

 

[WonkyChin186]

What’s your biacromial?

40cm / 15.75"

Bidelt is 17.5"

 

[Lookologist003]

How much would clavicle lengthening help me?

Not much. Your problem is high WCR primarily. WCR is vital for imposing, sexy, masculine frame. It is the sponge base which the icing of WSR or scapula breadth layers onto. WHR is a meme ratio. WCR is far more important than WHR because the chest is above and encompasses the waist. Ideal WCR for men is around 0.9-0.8. Bascially, just have a barrel for a rib cage, that's what women are attracted to because bigger lungs and more oxygen for muscles to hunt a gazelle.

This morph increases your WCR. The morph bellow it increases the breadth of the shoulder girdle afterward.

My condolences about your frame OP. Framepill is among the most brutal pills. Your face is not terrible, and you're tall.

This is why I don't bother going to the gym, because ... looking good for the most part is skeleton @thecel
@mandiblade let me feed your autism. This is as brutal as having a 'moonface.'

 

[Sicilian Cyclops]

Not much. Your problem is high WCR primarily. WCR is vital for imposing, sexy, masculine frame. It is the sponge base which the icing of WSR or scapula breadth layers onto. WHR is a meme ratio. WCR is far more important than WHR because the chest is above and encompasses the waist. Ideal WCR for men is around 0.9-0.8. Bascially, just have a barrel for a rib cage, that's what women are attracted to because bigger lungs and more oxygen for muscles to hunt a gazelle.

This morph increases your WCR. The morph bellow it increases the breadth of the shoulder girdle afterward.

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My condolences about your frame OP. Framepill is among the most brutal pills. Your face is not terrible, and you're tall.

This is why I don't bother going to the gym, because ... looking good for the most part is skeleton @thecel
@mandiblade let me feed your autism. This is as brutal as having a 'moonface.'

life fuel for my barrel rib cage

 

[WonkyChin186]

Not much. Your problem is high WCR primarily. WCR is vital for imposing, sexy, masculine frame. It is the sponge base which the icing of WSR or scapula breadth layers onto. WHR is a meme ratio. WCR is far more important than WHR because the chest is above and encompasses the waist. Ideal WCR for men is around 0.9-0.8. Bascially, just have a barrel for a rib cage, that's what women are attracted to because bigger lungs and more oxygen for muscles to hunt a gazelle.

This morph increases your WCR. The morph bellow it increases the breadth of the shoulder girdle afterward.

View attachment 3864826
View attachment 3864827

My condolences about your frame OP. Framepill is among the most brutal pills. Your face is not terrible, and you're tall.

This is why I don't bother going to the gym, because ... looking good for the most part is skeleton @thecel
@mandiblade let me feed your autism. This is as brutal as having a 'moonface.'

How would chest width here have any impact in clothes irl

Even fixing waist to hips would cause my clothes not to sink inwards making an hourglass while looking way better shirtless and less feminine

Ion see how chest width has any importance

 

[Bl0odKn1ght]

Holy fuck, you would fog so hard if you transitioned
It's not the clavicles as much as it's the hips

Agree

 

[mandiblade]

life fuel for my barrel rib cage

View attachment 3864869

Jack Horner from puss in boots

How would chest width here have any impact in clothes irl

It's your ribcage. A wider ribcage will also increase your waist size. You entire ribcage is narrow. WCR is a function of ribcage size, as is WHR.

Not much. Your problem is high WCR primarily. WCR is vital for imposing, sexy, masculine frame. It is the sponge base which the icing of WSR or scapula breadth layers onto. WHR is a meme ratio. WCR is far more important than WHR because the chest is above and encompasses the waist. Ideal WCR for men is around 0.9-0.8. Bascially, just have a barrel for a rib cage, that's what women are attracted to because bigger lungs and more oxygen for muscles to hunt a gazelle.

This morph increases your WCR. The morph bellow it increases the breadth of the shoulder girdle afterward.

View attachment 3864826
View attachment 3864827

My condolences about your frame OP. Framepill is among the most brutal pills. Your face is not terrible, and you're tall.

This is why I don't bother going to the gym, because ... looking good for the most part is skeleton @thecel
@mandiblade let me feed your autism. This is as brutal as having a 'moonface.'

Brutal.

Small necks are a mechanism to stop incels with bad airways from suffocating

I naturally have a thin neck as a framecel but since gymcelling I managed to get it to a respectable thickness I had only trained it once in the past 6 months but since I'm going to the gym at night again I decided I'm going to do lots of sets of neck curls Then I thought that if I got my neck...

looksmax.org

Your only option to fix your hips is to use a corset/tight bands around them for a long time(but not around your ribcage). Maybe pin elastin if you can. (shameless plug)

The cause of a wide male pelvis

This is pretty water to the biology dudes, but somehow I couldn't find an organized guide on this site about it.

looksmax.org

This is ideal tbh(@Orc 2.0)

Jokes aside, he looks like a malnourished vegan in your morphs because of his WHR. How is it a meme ratio?

 

[Lookologist003]

he looks like a malnourished vegan in your morphs because of his WHR. How is it a meme ratio?

What I meant was that it's of much less significance for men than WCR. WCR is barely mentioned at all, like men are beating around the bush cuz it's too brutal. I could have put a little more effort into the morph, make the skin look less uncanny, but I rest easy in the general truth about what I'm saying.

But seriously though. 0.9 WCR is pretty intense. I suppose the range of acceptability at one end stops at 0.9 WCR. Anything above 1.1 just looks like shit. It's something we are very sensitive to.

This shitty morph where the torsohas WCR bellow1.1 looks a hundred times better in structure than OP's predicament.

If a man has 0.9 WCR, he just needs to loose weight and he will "fall into shape", as they say. Cuz it's about that skeleton.

while looking way better shirtless and less feminine

Shirtless? Uh. I'd you'd transition from hourglass to pear shape, yay!(?)

There's a simple way to visualize the ideal male torso, and it's trapezoid. If your torso is not an inverted triangle, it is not good. Typical of mother nature. Women have like hourglass, pear, and they still look good with rectangle or inverted triangle because of the male sex drive.

In this diagram above, the deep black lines are a Chadly WCR and WSR. The light black lines are created by tracing OP's frame. The colored lines are the arcs between the hips, which is the beginning of the torso and the chest and shoulders, which are the end of the torso. If the purple arcs are acute, it's not good. If the red lines are acute, it's over. Ideally, both red and purple arcs should be fairly obtuse, within that range of chadly acceptability. That's how I view the torso, and it's scarily, depressingly accurate to the aesthetics of a frame. Importantly in the diagram, WHR is the same in both which is my point.

WHR is important for birth cannal reasons, so WHR is important for female attractiveness. Not so much for male, we are providers and don't have uterus, so the aerobic contents of the thyroid cavity are super important. WCR is not so important for women. It determines if the woman's body shape is hourglass or pear, if the WHR is good. And as I stated, male sex drive does not discriminate about women's frames or height. Women SMV = mostly age. Man sMV = quality of skeleton.

 

[Lookologist003]

My fucking god I am so retarded.
When I've been writing WCR I mean, the ratio of chest breadth to hip breadth. Proportion with the hips is the important part of torso.

 

[geniomaxxer]

How much would clavicle lengthening help me?
My bidelt is 17.5" at 187cm

My hip bones are average but my tiny waist makes the illusion of giant child bearing hips and I've made morphs and a wider waist suits me more

So a fat graft on my waist too I'm considering

Ik nothing about gyno removal or if it would even benefit me but I'm pretty sure my gyno volume is also top1% for my bodyfat

Nice shoes nigga

 

[WonkyChin186]

What I meant was that it's of much less significance for men than WCR. WCR is barely mentioned at all, like men are beating around the bush cuz it's too brutal. I could have put a little more effort into the morph, make the skin look less uncanny, but I rest easy in the general truth about what I'm saying.


But seriously though. 0.9 WCR is pretty intense. I suppose the range of acceptability at one end stops at 0.9 WCR. Anything above 1.1 just looks like shit. It's something we are very sensitive to.
View attachment 3867516 This shitty morph where the torsohas WCR bellow1.1 looks a hundred times better in structure than OP's predicament.
View attachment 3867517

If a man has 0.9 WCR, he just needs to loose weight and he will "fall into shape", as they say. Cuz it's about that skeleton.


Shirtless? Uh. I'd you'd transition from hourglass to pear shape, yay!(?)

There's a simple way to visualize the ideal male torso, and it's trapezoid. If your torso is not an inverted triangle, it is not good. Typical of mother nature. Women have like hourglass, pear, and they still look good with rectangle or inverted triangle because of the male sex drive.
View attachment 3867520
In this diagram above, the deep black lines are a Chadly WCR and WSR. The light black lines are created by tracing OP's frame. The colored lines are the arcs between the hips, which is the beginning of the torso and the chest and shoulders, which are the end of the torso. If the purple arcs are acute, it's not good. If the red lines are acute, it's over. Ideally, both red and purple arcs should be fairly obtuse, within that range of chadly acceptability. That's how I view the torso, and it's scarily, depressingly accurate to the aesthetics of a frame. Importantly in the diagram, WHR is the same in both which is my point.

WHR is important for birth cannal reasons, so WHR is important for female attractiveness. Not so much for male, we are providers and don't have uterus, so the aerobic contents of the thyroid cavity are super important. WCR is not so important for women. It determines if the woman's body shape is hourglass or pear, if the WHR is good. And as I stated, male sex drive does not discriminate about women's frames or height. Women SMV = mostly age. Man sMV = quality of skeleton.

What can I do then

 

[keife]

How much would clavicle lengthening help me?
My bidelt is 17.5" at 187cm

My hip bones are average but my tiny waist makes the illusion of giant child bearing hips and I've made morphs and a wider waist suits me more

So a fat graft on my waist too I'm considering

Ik nothing about gyno removal or if it would even benefit me but I'm pretty sure my gyno volume is also top1% for my bodyfat

Max is 6cm total

 

[keife]

Max is 6cm total

23k usd

 

[Seong Gi-Hun]

Transition.!

 

[WonkyChin186]

Transition.!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT ONE BEFORE YOUR SO FUCKING FUNNY DUDE

 

[WonkyChin186]

Max is 6cm total

Would that directly make my bidelt, biachromial and also wingspan 6cm longer

 

[Seong Gi-Hun]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT ONE BEFORE YOUR SO FUCKING FUNNY DUDE

I'm not joking.

 

[julioo27_]

How much would clavicle lengthening help me?
My bidelt is 17.5" at 187cm

My hip bones are average but my tiny waist makes the illusion of giant child bearing hips and I've made morphs and a wider waist suits me more

So a fat graft on my waist too I'm considering

Ik nothing about gyno removal or if it would even benefit me but I'm pretty sure my gyno volume is also top1% for my bodyfat

bro your clavicles are not narrow at all, just go to the gym and do what you gotta do, you can easily add two inches to your bidelt natty after a year depending on your genetics and your routine

also, there is the possibility that you are measuring your biacromial and your bidelt wrong, and maybe you should get to like 10% bf or so, maybe your hormones (since you said you got gyno) make you store more fat down in your belly and hurt your proportions even more

last thing, nigga you are young still, clavicles are the last bone to finish growing, on average until 25, so you could naturally gain around almost a cm on average per clavicle, fix your health and hope for the best if you still feel insecure about your frame, but i just think its body dismorphia atp

 

[keife]

Would that directly make my bidelt, biachromial and also wingspan 6cm longer

yes

 

[WonkyChin186]

bro your clavicles are not narrow at all, just go to the gym and do what you gotta do, you can easily add two inches to your bidelt natty after a year depending on your genetics and your routine

also, there is the possibility that you are measuring your biacromial and your bidelt wrong, and maybe you should get to like 10% bf or so, maybe your hormones (since you said you got gyno) make you store more fat down in your belly and hurt your proportions even more

last thing, nigga you are young still, clavicles are the last bone to finish growing, on average until 25, so you could naturally gain around almost a cm on average per clavicle, fix your health and hope for the best if you still feel insecure about your frame, but i just think its body dismorphia atp

Nah I've definitely measured right
17.5" bidelt with a 15.75" biachromial
Only bottom20% or so biachromial overall but for someone my height(187) it's bottom10%

And that's not even factoring my brutal hip:waist which is ACTUALLY brutal and not a 1inch difference like these self obsessed niggas with normie frames have, mine actually deducts from my smv from how strikingly ugly it is

It doesn't matter if they grow a cm because the average person my age will also grow a cm so I'll still be in the same percentile

Plus I started puberty slightly later than average so if anything it would be getting worse over time

Hips also NEVER stop growing, so my insanely brutal ratio will just keep getting worse and worse throughout life with nothing done to it

(still haven't even mentioned the gyno with pepperoni nipples and shit muscle insertions)

 

[WonkyChin186]

yes

My clavicles are slightly sloped

Would that mean the actual gain would be more like 5-5.5cm since it would be growing at an angle and not directly outwards

 

[Lookologist003]

What can I do then

I guess hoping for hypertrophy at the gym and wear baggy t-shirts. Like with deficiencies in the skull, the best thing to do is to try mask the problem with clothes or hair.

I feel sorry for you OP. I hope that God at least gave you a big D to apologise for how he shafted you.

 

[mandiblade]

What I meant was that it's of much less significance for men than WCR. WCR is barely mentioned at all, like men are beating around the bush cuz it's too brutal. I could have put a little more effort into the morph, make the skin look less uncanny, but I rest easy in the general truth about what I'm saying.


But seriously though. 0.9 WCR is pretty intense. I suppose the range of acceptability at one end stops at 0.9 WCR. Anything above 1.1 just looks like shit. It's something we are very sensitive to.
View attachment 3867516 This shitty morph where the torsohas WCR bellow1.1 looks a hundred times better in structure than OP's predicament.
View attachment 3867517

If a man has 0.9 WCR, he just needs to loose weight and he will "fall into shape", as they say. Cuz it's about that skeleton.


Shirtless? Uh. I'd you'd transition from hourglass to pear shape, yay!(?)

There's a simple way to visualize the ideal male torso, and it's trapezoid. If your torso is not an inverted triangle, it is not good. Typical of mother nature. Women have like hourglass, pear, and they still look good with rectangle or inverted triangle because of the male sex drive.
View attachment 3867520
In this diagram above, the deep black lines are a Chadly WCR and WSR. The light black lines are created by tracing OP's frame. The colored lines are the arcs between the hips, which is the beginning of the torso and the chest and shoulders, which are the end of the torso. If the purple arcs are acute, it's not good. If the red lines are acute, it's over. Ideally, both red and purple arcs should be fairly obtuse, within that range of chadly acceptability. That's how I view the torso, and it's scarily, depressingly accurate to the aesthetics of a frame. Importantly in the diagram, WHR is the same in both which is my point.

WHR is important for birth cannal reasons, so WHR is important for female attractiveness. Not so much for male, we are providers and don't have uterus, so the aerobic contents of the thyroid cavity are super important. WCR is not so important for women. It determines if the woman's body shape is hourglass or pear, if the WHR is good. And as I stated, male sex drive does not discriminate about women's frames or height. Women SMV = mostly age. Man sMV = quality of skeleton.

Great post. You should make this into a thread in the looksmax section("specifying the brutality of the framepill" or smth). My only "complaints":
1. These angles seem to be illustrations of HCR and HSR, not WCR and WSR.
2. These are angles, and it would be better and easier to use measurements
3. Your drawing would still look better with a WHR of 1+. It is still relevant, but it won't really break your frame by itself unless it is <0.6(very surprising tbh).

Demonstration of #3:

Hip-shoulder and hip-chest angles are at 90° in the above image.

Hip-shoulder and hip-chest angles are very obtuse in the above image.

In the above image, hip-shoulder and hip-chest angles are not very different from the 2nd image I created. Yet, it looks a lot better

Last nitpick:

Chest-shoulder angle is greater than the waist-chest angle(HSA is significantly more obtuse than HCA) in the above image. This teramogs everything. In my 2nd-last image, the chest-shoulder angle was only about 4° greater than the waist-chest angle.


Surprisingly, I have found I way to insert my autism into something I never heard about until yesterday.

 

[Foreverbrad]

My fucking god I am so retarded.
When I've been writing WCR I mean, the ratio of chest breadth to hip breadth. Proportion with the hips is the important part of torso.

You can increase this just by growing your lats unless I’m misunderstanding.

Great post. You should make this into a thread in the looksmax section("specifying the brutality of the framepill" or smth). My only "complaints":
1. These angles seem to be illustrations of HCR and HSR, not WCR and WSR.
2. These are angles, and it would be better and easier to use measurements
3. Your drawing would still look better with a WHR of 1+. It is still relevant, but it won't really break your frame by itself unless it is <0.6(very surprising tbh).

Demonstration of #3:
View attachment 3869351
Hip-shoulder and hip-chest angles are at 90° in the above image.
View attachment 3869353
Hip-shoulder and hip-chest angles are very obtuse in the above image.

View attachment 3869358

In the above image, hip-shoulder and hip-chest angles are not very different from the 2nd image I created. Yet, it looks a lot better

Last nitpick:
View attachment 3869355
Chest-shoulder angle is greater than the waist-chest angle(HSA is significantly more obtuse than HCA) in the above image. This teramogs everything. In my 2nd-last image, the chest-shoulder angle was only about 4° greater than the waist-chest angle.


Surprisingly, I have found I way to insert my autism into something I never heard about until yesterday.

Are you suggesting waist should be wider than hips? I’ve never seen that.

 

[mandiblade]

Are you suggesting waist should be wider than hips? I’ve never seen that.

Just looked it up and it seems as though the only way for this to happen is through obesity(belly fat). It does look better if one can somehow get a WHR of 1.1+ when lean. It does seem impossible when natty, however.
Like I said, I discovered this yesterday

 

[Lookologist003]

teramogs everything

You really think so? I think you'd look like a cartoon villain having those proportions.

Your drawing would still look better with a WHR of 1+.

Wow. I disagree. I believe there is a little subjectivity to aesthetics. I think WHR that gives a little delineation looks real good, so I think WHR that is just a tad bellow 1 is ideal. You could call that body-type "fishtail." And I think it looks the best.

These are angles, and it would be better and easier to use measurements

It's going to blow your mind when you take trigonometry in hs next year.

You can increase this just by growing your lats unless I’m misunderstanding.

I think hypertrophy can help a little bit. But soft tissue doesn't look as good as bone. Maybe we can convince doctors to inject filler into our chests

 

[mandiblade]

You really think so? I think you'd look like a cartoon villain having those proportions.

That is what it means to mog in the first place.
Jokes aside, after uploading the images, I realized that I did not control for shoulder and chest width and that my last morph was a lot wider in general. I don't have access to a computer rn so I can't readjust.

Wow. I disagree. I believe there is a little subjectivity to aesthetics

There absolutely is. Other than environmental factors subconsciously modifying your preferences, information(AKA brainwashing) can override your biological preferences.

I think WHR that gives a little delineation looks real good, so I think WHR that is just a tad bellow 1 is ideal. You could call that body-type "fishtail." And I think it looks the best

For mogging, it isn't really. My philosophy on looksmaxxing is to conform to the male gaze as much as possible without actively sacrificing female gaze. Orc has a WHR of 1, and having it below 1 would make him look worse IMO.
Having something noticeaby below 1 looks like a form of disfigurement to me.

It's going to blow your mind when you take trigonometry in hs next year

What the what is "trigonometry?"
Btw, I meant ratios, not "measurements"