Clean shaven or stubble + psl

[Matheus]

Trying to decide between clean shaven or stubble since I recently shaved completely. I've heard from ppl clean shaven makes my face more angular but it reveals my subhuman philtrum.
I have acne scars maybe you can see them in some pics, I'll get rid of them soon.
Would appreciate if you gave me my psl in both cases so I know my baseline.
I tried to take unfrauded pics but the lightning might be a bit more advantageous when clean shaven.
Thanks bros.

Stubble


Clean shaven, I have UEE in some of them due to looking down or something but I don't have it normally

 

[hairyballscel]

stubble looks good on you

get it shaped up regularly doe and cut the shit off ur neck jfl

 

[Hightwolf]

I think the stubble takes attention away from your philtrum / upturned nose. So right now it's better to have. I think you previously mentioned maybe doing nose surgery, if you do that then you might look better clean shaven.

 

[MaxillaIsEverything]

You want to hide that subhuman philtrum as best you can trust me

 

[zeroshame]

I think stubble suits you better. Clean up the neck area though!

 

[MaxillaIsEverything]

was your philtrum always that bad or because of aging? If you want to ascend you have to do something about it.

 

[Deleted member 7651]

STUBBLE AND GTFO THIS SITE

 

[MaxillaIsEverything]

Also your face looks very round Id probably address that with a surgeon to see what options you have to make it appear longer. If you measure your face from hairline (where it used to be not now that its recessed) to chin you probably get 19 cm or less. Your downward growth is stunted

 

[IWILLMAKEIT]

Stubble is a huge halo

 

[oatmeal]

@Newone tier philtrum.

don't get lip lift though, it nearly always looks botched.

 

[MaxillaIsEverything]

If I had to guess from looking at the pics that philtrum looks 2cm srs

 

[MaxillaIsEverything]

Also your eyes are too far apart obviously so that makes you look weird. Look into ways to make them appear closer together. Eyebrow shape/position nose definition etc. Cheekbone augmentation with your already round face probably not the best idea

 

[Matheus]

You want to hide that subhuman philtrum as best you can trust me

Is it that bad? I didn't know having a long philtrum was a death sentence

Also your face looks very round Id probably address that with a surgeon to see what options you have to make it appear longer. If you measure your face from hairline (where it used to be not now that its recessed) to chin you probably get 19 cm or less. Your downward growth is stunted

First time I hear my face is round, it's quite square in fact. It's 19.5cm from hairline but I have a big forehead and I fraud it. It was always somewhat recessed otherwise, if it was as when I was a kid I'd say like 18.5cm

If I had to guess from looking at the pics that philtrum looks 2cm srs

19-20mm yeah

Also your eyes are too far apart obviously so that makes you look weird. Look into ways to make them appear closer together. Eyebrow shape/position nose definition etc. Cheekbone augmentation with your already round face probably not the best idea

First time I hear that too. I'll look into how I can make my IPD somewhat less I don't think it's too bad.

 

[Matheus]

STUBBLE AND GTFO THIS SITE

Too late bro it already sucked me in

 

[MaxillaIsEverything]

Is it that bad? I didn't know having a long philtrum was a death sentence

First time I hear my face is round, it's quite square in fact. It's 19.5cm from hairline but I have a big forehead and I fraud it. It was always somewhat recessed otherwise, if it was as when I was a kid I'd say like 18.5cm

19-20mm yeah

First time I hear that too. I'll look into how I can make my IPD somewhat less I don't think it's too bad.

square is not ideal it should be closer to a rectangular shape. Your face looks worse second row first two pics because it looks as wide as it is long almost. And a very long philtrum is one of the worst traits to have you really should look into ways of either hiding (beard being the best option obviously) or fixing it. 15-16 is the highest acceptable length tbh guys like Cavill or Gandy have that.Above that its always a failo. The 3-4 like you say although really Im 99% sure its 4 make a massive difference

 

[MaxillaIsEverything]

your face length to width ratio in those 2 pics is close to 1,2. It should be 1,35-1,4 thats the ideal range so much longer than yours there

 

[Bewusst]

Definitely stubble but clean up your neck and keep the length even. Also use minoxidil to fill in patchy spots

 

[Rabbi]

Stubble by far

 

[Matheus]

square is not ideal it should be closer to a rectangular shape. Your face looks worse second row first two pics because it looks as wide as it is long almost. And a very long philtrum is one of the worst traits to have you really should look into ways of either hiding (beard being the best option obviously) or fixing it. 15-16 is the highest acceptable length tbh guys like Cavill or Gandy have that.Above that its always a failo. The 3-4 like you say although really Im 99% sure its 4 make a massive difference

Well I can only fraud it aside from lip lift there's not much to do and lip lift is not really an option. Shame really bc I like clean shaven.
I wouldn't have thought a long philtrum is such a bad trait jfl

your face length to width ratio in those 2 pics is close to 1,2. It should be 1,35-1,4 thats the ideal range so much longer than yours there

Yeah it does in those pics but it's usually not that much. Just measured in front of the mirror my face is 19cm long and 14cm wide (byzygomatic) which gives 1.35 ratio, not that bad

 

[poloralf]

Too frail looking, work your neck

 

[Matheus]

Too frail looking, work your neck

Working on it

 

[Matheus]

Also @MaxillaIsEverything my IPD is 68 is that wider than usual?

 

[MaxillaIsEverything]

Also @MaxillaIsEverything my IPD is 68 is that wider than usual?

yes that is very wide. Most PSL gods have ~64mm. But really the ES ratio (IPD/Face width) matters more. Yours is 0,485 which is higher than what is considered attractive. Attractive people tend to have very close 0,46. might not sound like a big difference but it is. That is the ratio where even small deviations are immediately apparent. Just like I saw it with your photos

 

[MaxillaIsEverything]

Average for whites is like 62-63mm

 

[Matheus]

yes that is very wide. Most PSL gods have ~64mm. But really the ES ratio (IPD/Face width) matters more. Yours is 0,485 which is higher than what is considered attractive. Attractive people tend to have very close 0,46. might not sound like a big difference but it is. That is the ratio where even small deviations are immediately apparent. Just like I saw it with your photos

How to fraud it most efficiently?

Also if you could give a PSL

 

[MaxillaIsEverything]

IPD/ES RATIO/EME ANGLE is borderline meaningless for harmony

IPD, ESRATIO and EME angle have a moderate impact at best on facial harmony. There are other major factors that impact the impression we get conscerning the eyes spacing on someones face, mostly EYEBROW SPACING and NASAL BRIDGE/NASION DEFINITION. I saw alot of people wondering how someone with...

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[MaxillaIsEverything]

Tbh you have both of the frauding techniques already. Eyebrows arent bad and nose is not overly flat it looks like. Maybe small imprpvements can be made but you will always keep the slightly wide eyed appearance. Its far from your biggest problem though. Philtrum and nose area

 

[Matheus]

Tbh you have both of the frauding techniques already. Eyebrows arent bad and nose is not overly flat it looks like. Maybe small imprpvements can be made but you will always keep the slightly wide eyed appearance. Its far from your biggest problem though. Philtrum and nose area

Jfl guess I'm naturally frauding it because I do nothing to my eyebrows aside from plucking it in the middle.
So I'll go with stubble to fraud my philtrum, maybe a bit lighter than what I had in the pictures. Also nose area isn't as bad as the 3/4 picture makes it to be I know bc other ppl have told me before.
I'll do hair transplant when I can too. I have been recommended genioplasty a lot as well.
What PSL would you say in both cases?

 

[6’1cel]

Trying to decide between clean shaven or stubble since I recently shaved completely. I've heard from ppl clean shaven makes my face more angular but it reveals my subhuman philtrum.
I have acne scars maybe you can see them in some pics, I'll get rid of them soon.
Would appreciate if you gave me my psl in both cases so I know my baseline.
I tried to take unfrauded pics but the lightning might be a bit more advantageous when clean shaven.
Thanks bros.

Stubble
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Clean shaven, I have UEE in some of them due to looking down or something but I don't have it normally
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stubble looks better
for some reason your nose doesnt look as upturned with stubble

 

[6’1cel]

If I had to guess from looking at the pics that philtrum looks 2cm srs

looks more like 2,5-3 cm

 

[Gazzamogga]

3.5 without stubble to 4.5 with

 

[Matheus]

looks more like 2,5-3 cm

Just measured it, it's actually a full-blown meter long. Pretty impressive tbh

 

[Matheus]

3.5 without stubble to 4.5 with

3.5 without you're being harsh there

 

[Gazzamogga]

3.5 without you're being harsh there

maybe

maybe not

either way never get rid of that stubble again

 

[MD_Hopeful69]

Great eye shape
Terrible philturm

 

[Matheus]

Great eye shape
Terrible philturm

Yeah sadly. I've heard people whom I talk of looksmax with and they tell me that I look better clean shaven despite my philtrum because I give dom vibes that way (high fwhr or something idk, they say I have "more presence"). I think I'll go middle of the way with a light stubble bc yeah fuck my philtrum

 

[oatmeal]

@Danish_Retard

what's with the 'huh'

the best idea for OP is to get a stubble. lip lifts are a very risky surgery because it can look gay easily.

unless i'm wrong?

 

[Danish_Retard]

@Danish_Retard

what's with the 'huh'

the best idea for OP is to get a stubble. lip lifts are a very risky surgery because it can look gay easily.

unless i'm wrong?

@Chad1212 / Manu lips are ideal. Nobody cares if your lips "look gay", women will still love them.

 

[oatmeal]

@Chad1212 / Manu lips are ideal. Nobody cares if your lips "look gay", women will still love them.

nigga that is not what I meant.

@Chad1212 's lips look fine because they look natural. please shoe me a lip lift result that looked decent enough to pass for real.

 

[oatmeal]

nigga that is not what I meant.

@Chad1212 's lips look fine because they look natural. please shoe me a lip lift result that looked decent enough to pass for real.

also in addition to his lips already having good proportions etc etc.

 

[Davidjolski]

3psl, that philtrum and nose is not good

 

[Deleted member 5830]

Trying to decide between clean shaven or stubble since I recently shaved completely. I've heard from ppl clean shaven makes my face more angular but it reveals my subhuman philtrum.
I have acne scars maybe you can see them in some pics, I'll get rid of them soon.
Would appreciate if you gave me my psl in both cases so I know my baseline.
I tried to take unfrauded pics but the lightning might be a bit more advantageous when clean shaven.
Thanks bros.

Stubble
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Clean shaven, I have UEE in some of them due to looking down or something but I don't have it normally
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Stubble man stubble looks good on you

 

[JamesHowlett]

Stubble.

Keep it longer around philtrum area and shorter around the jaw/chin so it’s not hidden.

 

[Chad69]

@Chad1212 / Manu lips are ideal. Nobody cares if your lips "look gay", women will still love them.

nigga that is not what I meant.

@Chad1212 's lips look fine because they look natural. please shoe me a lip lift result that looked decent enough to pass for real.

I love my lips ngl

 

[justadude]

stubble + shave neck

 

[Deleted member 6512]

Bro all it takes for you to fix that philtrum is to get a lip lift, just do it if you wanna rock the clean shaven look

 

[Matheus]

3psl, that philtrum and nose is not good

Jesus I still have great eyes and jaw 3psl is almost subhuman don't be autistic about my philtrum. But it seems stubble is better anyway then

 

[Matheus]

Bro all it takes for you to fix that philtrum is to get a lip lift, just do it if you wanna rock the clean shaven look

Lip lift looks a bit risky man, and I'm not the only one to think so. I think I'll just go with stubble on the mouth / nose area and shorter on the sides with clean neck

 

[Deleted member 5746]

Trying to decide between clean shaven or stubble since I recently shaved completely. I've heard from ppl clean shaven makes my face more angular but it reveals my subhuman philtrum.
I have acne scars maybe you can see them in some pics, I'll get rid of them soon.
Would appreciate if you gave me my psl in both cases so I know my baseline.
I tried to take unfrauded pics but the lightning might be a bit more advantageous when clean shaven.
Thanks bros.

Stubble
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Clean shaven, I have UEE in some of them due to looking down or something but I don't have it normally
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Such a brutally Estonian/ Latvian face that I am literally cringing rn. Not that you look bad, you just look so brutally northern baltic

 

[000]

Trying to decide between clean shaven or stubble since I recently shaved completely. I've heard from ppl clean shaven makes my face more angular but it reveals my subhuman philtrum.
I have acne scars maybe you can see them in some pics, I'll get rid of them soon.
Would appreciate if you gave me my psl in both cases so I know my baseline.
I tried to take unfrauded pics but the lightning might be a bit more advantageous when clean shaven.
Thanks bros.

Stubble
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Clean shaven, I have UEE in some of them due to looking down or something but I don't have it normally
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Both look good objectively but I prefer clean shaven.