closing of growth zones

[tung tung]

will the growth zones close if you take testosterone with igf and extinguish estradiol to a lower value?

 

[True Epstein]

growth zones?

 

[Greyascension]

DYOR

 

[tung tung]

growth zones?

plates* translator's error

 

[Bishoplol]

lower e2 levels on test will mostly prevent plate closure, atleast that was the case for me. keep it within normal ranges and youll b fine

 

[notgraycel245969]

lower e2 levels on test will mostly prevent plate closure, atleast that was the case for me. keep it within normal ranges and youll b fine

it wont "prevent" but "delay"

 

[Bishoplol]

it wont "prevent" but "delay"

prevent on cycle. when he's off test he wont need ai anymore because e2 will be back to natural normal levels. unless he just doses ai while not being on anything else which is pretty dumb in itself

 

[notgraycel245969]

prevent on cycle. when he's off test he wont need ai anymore because e2 will be back to natural normal levels. unless he just doses ai while not being on anything else which is pretty dumb in itself

its not dumb if your main objective is to delay growth plate closure. No offense but u sound kinda low iq, I shall continue this discussion no longer

 

[i cant lie cant lie]

prevent on cycle. when he's off test he wont need ai anymore because e2 will be back to natural normal levels. unless he just doses ai while not being on anything else which is pretty dumb in itself

Why would you ever go off test after puberty. Your test shuts down after a long time of exogenous use. This is basically negative feedback loop but there is a chance for permanent reduction.

 

[epsilonic]

growth zones?

mfs when they need to use their skull to infer information

 

[Bishoplol]

its not dumb if your main objective is to delay growth plate closure. No offense but u sound kinda low iq, I shall continue this discussion no longer

ive literally done it and it yields nothing but shit low estrogen side effects.

 

[i cant lie cant lie]

will the growth zones close if you take testosterone with igf and extinguish estradiol to a lower value?

Ai will slow growth plates but it is not the only reason that closes growth plates. additionally igf accelerates bone age

 

[i cant lie cant lie]

growth zones?

Iqpill

 

[notgraycel245969]

Why would you ever go off test after puberty. Your test shuts down after a long time of exogenous use. This is basically negative feedback loop but there is a chance for permanent reduction.

U don't get permanent reduction that easily, mfs that abused for 9 years were still able to go to somewhat similar albeit slightly lower test levels after few years

 

[i cant lie cant lie]

ive literally done it and it yields nothing but shit low estrogen side effects.

you are deadass stupid, estrogen is proven to fucking do this

 

[Bishoplol]

Why would you ever go off test after puberty. Your test shuts down after a long time of exogenous use. This is basically negative feedback loop but there is a chance for permanent reduction.

ive thought about trt after my first cycle but just figured it was too much of a hassle. my T is back to normal and so is my LH/FSH and i retained everything ive gained. trt is a lifelong commitment for the most part. like yeah sure u can hop off but its takes longer to recover from what ive hear. it isnt for everyone

 

[i cant lie cant lie]

U don't get permanent reduction that easily, mfs that abused for 9 years were still able to go to somewhat similar albeit slightly lower test levels after few years

fair, but in general taking test lifelong is best. all effects can be mitigated, js take hcg if shit happens

 

[i cant lie cant lie]

ive thought about trt after my first cycle but just figured it was too much of a hassle. my T is back to normal and so is my LH/FSH and i retained everything ive gained. trt is a lifelong commitment for the most part. like yeah sure u can hop off but its takes longer to recover from what ive hear. it isnt for everyone

because it can only be used by high iq. individuals simple

 

[Bishoplol]

you are deadass stupid, estrogen is proven to fucking do this

nigga im aware and it did work when i was doing it but low e2 has other side effects that just didnt seem worth it. unless your bone age and real age are super out of sync you have no reason to be doing this. youll grow to genetic limit regardless.

 

[Bishoplol]

because it can only be used by high iq. individuals simple

talking a lot for a guy with "will take test" in bio. if u want to do trt then go for it but some naturally high T individuals just dont need it.

 

[tung tung]

Why would you ever go off test after puberty. Your test shuts down after a long time of exogenous use. This is basically negative feedback loop but there is a chance for permanent reduction.

so I don't plan to stay on testosterone for a long time, 12-15 weeks at most. I doubt very much that my own testosterone will not be able to return to normal with hcg and pct

 

[i cant lie cant lie]

nigga im aware and it did work when i was doing it but low e2 has other side effects that just didnt seem worth it. unless your bone age and real age are super out of sync you have no reason to be doing this. youll grow to genetic limit regardless.

thats not what matters here. If you take test you risk aromatization and aromatization turns test to est. High est means your growth plates close faster. Obviously it wont help with your genetic limit, but it will help to not fuck you up

 

[notgraycel245969]

you are deadass stupid, estrogen is proven to fucking do this

dont talk to him, its no use. You cant teach a butterfly how to walk

 

[i cant lie cant lie]

talking a lot for a guy with "will take test" in bio. if u want to do trt then go for it but some naturally high T individuals just dont need it.

yea bro obviously i dont need it if i have high T. js because someone has high T doesnt mean i dont need it too lol, like saying hair is useless just look at Jeremy Meeks

 

[IBL4MEZYG]

u need ai but yes it would close faster

 

[i cant lie cant lie]

so I don't plan to stay on testosterone for a long time, 12-15 weeks at most. I doubt very much that my own testosterone will not be able to return to normal with hcg and pct

oh yea that is applicable. if you take cycles instead of pinning ig, but i dont think you would truly need aromasin

 

[i cant lie cant lie]

DYOR

repped, taking care of greycels like a true champ. Following perfect org protocol.

 

[Bishoplol]

thats not what matters here. If you take test you risk aromatization and aromatization turns test to est. High est means your growth plates close faster. Obviously it wont help with your genetic limit, but it will help to not fuck you up

dawg can u read my first reply to op's post? i suggested ai for on cycle but off cycle if youre normal you dont need ai. i speak from experience and my experience was just shit side effects alongside delaying growth plate closure. like yeah go for it its worth it if youre a coping manlet but youll grow regardless

 

[tung tung]

oh yea that is applicable. if you take cycles instead of pinning ig, but i dont think you would truly need aromasin

I just spent 2 months on clomid before that, my testosterone increased to 62nmol, and estradiol flew to 366pmol, and this clearly accelerates the closure of growth plate

 

[i cant lie cant lie]

dawg can u read my first reply to op's post? i suggested ai for on cycle but off cycle if youre normal you dont need ai. i speak from experience and my experience was just shit side effects alongside delaying growth plate closure. like yeah go for it its worth it if youre a coping manlet but youll grow regardless

every person is different with different E2 baseline levels bro what are you even saying, you wont become a dumbass if you take ai,

 

[i cant lie cant lie]

I just spent 2 months on clomid before that, my testosterone increased to 62nmol, and estradiol flew to 366pmol, and this clearly accelerates the closure of growth plate

then make your own conclusion because you know most of the story.

 

[Bishoplol]

every person is different with different E2 baseline levels bro what are you even saying, you wont become a dumbass if you take ai,

if we're talking e2 levels out of normal ranges then ofcouse ai is a great option but when theyre normal it isnt really needed. its much easier just taking an xray and calculating estimated height before blindly dosing ai hoping to grow for longer.

 

[i cant lie cant lie]

if we're talking e2 levels out of normal ranges then ofcouse ai is a great option but when theyre normal it isnt really needed. its much easier just taking an xray and calculating estimated height before blindly dosing ai hoping to grow for longer.

they usually are not normal if you take test. There i a thing called aromatization, which changes T to E. so most likely it will be high lol unles ur an outlier. and the OP said that he take test

 

[Bishoplol]

they usually are not normal if you take test. There i a thing called aromatization, which changes T to E. so most likely it will be high lol unles ur an outlier. and the OP said that he take test

nigger please read ive literally covered aromatization on test already