Columnella-philtrum transition curve and reason for it

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This is the focus region of the thread, esp the curve, like the blue indicates. Many people on this site say nasal spine but no thats not the whole explanation here, The reason for the curve or even the shape and nasolabial angle here is not so much bone related.
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My favorites side profile of all time

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Both of these side profiles ofc have much in common, they both have a good jaw with medium/long ramus and prominent zygos. But they also have a prominent A point and good phil to nose transition with a nice curve. nasolabial angle is often talked about but the curve itself is hard to measure but very aesthetic

If we look at cavill he has a more the 90 degree angle, which doesnt look bad but its not the curve like delon and the other dude have.
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Corrado has somewhere in between, decent curve
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And then we have patinson who has no good curvea and bad angle ofc
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But where does this come from, many people say maxilla and nasal spine but that is def not fully true. As its more impacted by the nose projection and columunella who lifts the soft tissue lip up.

Unfortunately this can get a bit ruined by rhinolasty, ofc she looks better then before but her phil is going a lot more inwards then before because of the deprojected nasal tip. Which for a girl in this case leads to a more prominent lip look which can be good but at the same time not ideal still even for a girl
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Another example of rhino changing the curve, not in a bad way but you see the chsnge

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Thanks for making this, really underrated in side profile aesthetics

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I think both flat and curved can be aesthetic but curved is definitely better, sucks for me because mine is so flat it almost bends backwards
 
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Two main metrics here are the nasofrontal angle and the angle ur tip makes right?
 
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Thanks for making this, really underrated in side profile aesthetics

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I think both flat and curved can be aesthetic but curved is definitely better, sucks for me because mine is so flat it almost bends backwards
Yea its small detail, i think the curve is a more a pretty boy feature. And also often even more important for women as it goes with the upturned nose
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Two main metrics here are the nasofrontal angle and the angle ur tip makes right?
I mean the nasolabial angle is what people measure, the smooth transition of the curve is not really a measurement.
 
This is the focus region of the thread, esp the curve, like the blue indicates. Many people on this site say nasal spine but no thats not the whole explanation here, The reason for the curve or even the shape and nasolabial angle here is not so much bone related.
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My favorites side profile of all time

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Both of these side profiles ofc have much in common, they both have a good jaw with medium/long ramus and prominent zygos. But they also have a prominent A point and good phil to nose transition with a nice curve. nasolabial angle is often talked about but the curve itself is hard to measure but very aesthetic

If we look at cavill he has a more the 90 degree angle, which doesnt look bad but its not the curve like delon and the other dude have.
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Corrado has somewhere in between, decent curve
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And then we have patinson who has no good curvea and bad angle ofc
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But where does this come from, many people say maxilla and nasal spine but that is def not fully true. As its more impacted by the nose projection and columunella who lifts the soft tissue lip up.

Unfortunately this can get a bit ruined by rhinolasty, ofc she looks better then before but her phil is going a lot more inwards then before because of the deprojected nasal tip. Which for a girl in this case leads to a more prominent lip look which can be good but at the same time not ideal still even for a girl
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Another example of rhino changing the curve, not in a bad way but you see the chsnge

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90 degree/flat looks better on masculine features, but yeah a curve looks good on prettyboys & women

nice thread!
 
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90 degree/flat looks better on masculine features, but yeah a curve looks good on prettyboys & women

nice thread!
Yea true, the thread was also much about the misconception that many have that this is only influenced by the nasal spine rather then nose rotation, nose projection and columunella
 
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Yea its small detail, i think the curve is a more a pretty boy feature. And also often even more important for women as it goes with the upturned nose
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this is ideal in both men and woman
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You will want something like this for nose.
Comunella graft with cartilage from rips or ears mogs
 
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imagine having that face just to suck dick and take it from the back ,(first guy)
bla bla.
Mog = mog.
Also tb would rather get my back blown by bomer then fuck a black sub3 girl.
(As chad he could have stacy though like in the pic so idk why he is but guess he likes it?)
 
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What would be the effects of DJs on that curve?

Wouldn't CCW rotation make it better (accentuate the curve)?

Impaction + advancement + CCW would be the combo to get it, I would hope?

And by that logic downgrafting would probably have the opposite effect. Just theorizing
 
What would be the effects of DJs on that curve?

Wouldn't CCW rotation make it better (accentuate the curve)?

Impaction + advancement + CCW would be the combo to get it, I would hope?

And by that logic downgrafting would probably have the opposite effect. Just theorizing
I mean djs often wont do much to this at all unless severe. For most people its columunella and inclination of teeth. Maybe even lip lift, nasal projection or nasal wings shortening
 
you're onto something here but you're still missing a few key points about the columnella philtrum transition curve
 
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you're onto something here but you're still missing a few key points about the columnella philtrum transition curve
I mean its not really an objective point rather a subjective feature
 
Now explain how maxillary recession plays a role in this
 

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Not my photo btw but my pillithrum looks like this super flat and isn’t concave/no slant

I have minimal slight overbite and overjet but it’s still gonna remain shitty after orthro work. Think lefort 1 advancement fixes the issue?
 
Not my photo btw but my pillithrum looks like this super flat and isn’t concave/no slant

I have minimal slight overbite and overjet but it’s still gonna remain shitty after orthro work. Think lefort 1 advancement fixes the issue?
I mean its not hugely dependent on maxilla. I fon think any ortho or lefort would change it that much to get a curve
 
You can alter that curve with a para-maxillary implant or graftt. This is para-maxillary grafting:
 

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I mean its not hugely dependent on maxilla. I fon think any ortho or lefort would change it that much to get a curve
I’m not looking for a curve tbh I’m looking more for a slant. I’m trynna figure out in the first place what causes this flat look and I can only guess incisor position and a recessive pre maxilla area
 
You can alter that curve with a para-maxillary implant or graftt. This is para-maxillary grafting:
What about the angle of the Nasiolabial tho? I’m not to worried about the curve just the philtrums angle since it’s flat
 
What about the angle of the Nasiolabial tho? I’m not to worried about the curve just the philtrums angle since it’s flat
The philtrum angle clearly changed in the before after picture...
 

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