could early puberty be the reason why some people maintain ‘boyish features’ in adulthood

[160cmcurry]

my features never ‘masculinized’ now that i think about it

 

[Prøphet]

In my opinion it’s genetics

People say men used to look more masculine back when testosterone levels were better, better food, etc etc but it’s survivorship bias, people only notice the people who stood out as beautiful rather than the average population

There have always been men who were never destined to have masculine skeletal features, no matter how good their development

 

[Saint Casanova]

In my opinion it’s genetics

People say men used to look more masculine back when testosterone levels were better, better food, etc etc but it’s survivorship bias, people only notice the people who stood out as beautiful rather than the average population

There have always been men who were never destined to have masculine skeletal features, no matter how good their development

That is true, but it’s clear that younger generations look more feminine and less dimorphic on average.

This is largely due to a factor that’s overlooked. The health of the mother. Mothers are having children later, often past 30s which gives them lower quality genetic transcription; Mothers are constantly stressed and have poor lifestyles compared to the past; and now C-section births are becoming more common than natural births.

All of this probably has a negative impact on prenatal Development, and prenatal androgen exposure.

 

[160cmcurry]

In my opinion it’s genetics

People say men used to look more masculine back when testosterone levels were better, better food, etc etc but it’s survivorship bias, people only notice the people who stood out as beautiful rather than the average population

There have always been men who were never destined to have masculine skeletal features, no matter how good their development

some people get a sharp, high androgen surge during puberty

not just “normal range” but sustained peaks that actually push skeletal change

that’s when you see jaw widening, brow ridge growth, thicker zygomas, longer faces, wider clavicles

if your testosterone never really spiked high enough, or didn’t stay elevated long enough, bones basically remain ‘boyish’

timing is so important

this applies to women too who didn’t produce enough estrogen during their puberty too giving them that ‘jb look’

puberty has a finite sensitivity window where growth plates are open and craniofacial bones are still remodeling

testosterone or estrogen has leverage only during that window

placebo bias too

reason why you see more adults with these youthful features passing off as teenagers is cause of media portrayal too

they existed back then too

they just weren’t shown a lot as opposed to robust masculine men or estrogenic women

 

[Prøphet]

That is true, but it’s clear that younger generations look more feminine and less dimorphic on average.

This is largely due to a factor that’s overlooked. The health of the mother. Mothers are having children later, often past 30s which gives them lower quality genetic transcription; Mothers are constantly stressed and have poor lifestyles compared to the past; and now C-section births are becoming more common than natural births.

All of this probably has a negative impact on prenatal Development, and prenatal androgen exposure.

Well if that’s true it would explain a lot about my poor health in every area and inceldom, my mom had a c section and had me in her mid 40s

 

[Saint Casanova]

Well if that’s true it would explain a lot about my poor health in every area and inceldom, my mom had a c section and had me in her mid 40s

Damn, mid 40s is crazy. Even mid 30s is late.

I think a C-section has a milder impact but I’ve read that those who went through it miss out on important microbomes and immunity support.

Age is the main factor definitely. Higher chance of unfavourable mutations and chromosome issues. It still should be rare though

 

[Prøphet]

some people get a sharp, high androgen surge during puberty

not just “normal range” but sustained peaks that actually push skeletal change

that’s when you see jaw widening, brow ridge growth, thicker zygomas, longer faces, wider clavicles

if your testosterone never really spiked high enough, or didn’t stay elevated long enough, bones basically remain ‘boyish’

timing is so important

this applies to women too who didn’t produce enough estrogen during their puberty too giving them that ‘jb look’

puberty has a finite sensitivity window where growth plates are open and craniofacial bones are still remodeling

testosterone or estrogen has leverage only during that window

placebo bias too

reason why you see more adults with these youthful features passing off as teenagers is cause of media portrayal too

they existed back then too

they just weren’t shown a lot as opposed to robust masculine men or estrogenic women

Idk, androgen receptor sensitivity also makes a difference, and you need the correct dna that signals to your osteoblasts to form the right structures, Ive seen some models test their hormones and find out they have low T for example, and Ive seen plenty of incels test for high T

 

[Saint Casanova]

some people get a sharp, high androgen surge during puberty

not just “normal range” but sustained peaks that actually push skeletal change

that’s when you see jaw widening, brow ridge growth, thicker zygomas, longer faces, wider clavicles

if your testosterone never really spiked high enough, or didn’t stay elevated long enough, bones basically remain ‘boyish’

timing is so important

this applies to women too who didn’t produce enough estrogen during their puberty too giving them that ‘jb look’

puberty has a finite sensitivity window where growth plates are open and craniofacial bones are still remodeling

testosterone or estrogen has leverage only during that window

placebo bias too

reason why you see more adults with these youthful features passing off as teenagers is cause of media portrayal too

they existed back then too

they just weren’t shown a lot as opposed to robust masculine men or estrogenic women

IGF-1 is definitely more important than testosterone. Test will mainly contribute to muscle growth and secondary sexual characteristics while IGF-1 would stimulate actual bone growth for height, frame, jaw size ect.

Although your actual positioning of the bones is set in stone at birth. Puberty only really increases the size of everything. Your entire skull should grow proportionately

 

[160cmcurry]

That is true, but it’s clear that younger generations look more feminine and less dimorphic on average.

This is largely due to a factor that’s overlooked. The health of the mother. Mothers are having children later, often past 30s which gives them lower quality genetic transcription; Mothers are constantly stressed and have poor lifestyles compared to the past; and now C-section births are becoming more common than natural births.

All of this probably has a negative impact on prenatal Development, and prenatal androgen exposure.

i grew up in a high stress environment during my development years

people assume stress hardens you or raises testosterone, but chronic stress does the opposite

acute stress can spike adrenaline

long term stress floods you with cortisol, and cortisol directly suppresses the hypothalami pituitary gonadal axis

that means lower lh, lower fsh, and downstream blunted testosterone output during the exact years it actually mattered

there was no safety net

when your nervous system is stuck in survival mode, the body prioritizes staying alive, not development

growth, masculinization, and refinement get deprioritized

your system basically says

“this environment isn’t safe to grow big or bold in”

voice didn’t drop, sounded soy, it stayed thin and unstable. high anxiety, hypervigilance, social inhibition

body was calibrated around threat

even facial expression and posture get affected when you grow up tense and guarded


people don’t realize how important environment is during your development years

even right now on exogenous levels of testosterone it did fix the problems i used to have but i will never have that window where my face will ‘masculinize’ itself

timing and environment are so important

 

[Prøphet]

Damn, mid 40s is crazy. Even mid 30s is late.

I think a C-section has a milder impact but I’ve read that those who went through it miss out on important microbomes and immunity support.

Age is the main factor definitely. Higher chance of unfavourable mutations and chromosome issues. It still should be rare though

Yeah I think that’s a big factor for my ND issues, both of my parents have a mild form in my opinion but mine is definitely more severe and life altering

And I was born with the worst vision impairments / eye issues out of my entire family of like 10 people, even my family members who also grew up with constant screens didn’t turn out a tenth as bad as me

I think the c section caused problems with my gut health and overall flora in my body, always had lots of infections and chronic issues with that

Pretty brutal shit now that I think about it more, it is a little selfish to give birth when you’re older but at the same time it could mean a better financial situation (not in my case ofc Jfl)

 

[Saint Casanova]

Idk, androgen receptor sensitivity also makes a difference, and you need the correct dna that signals to your osteoblasts to form the right structures, Ive seen some models test their hormones and find out they have low T for example, and Ive seen plenty of incels test for high T

Middle of the range T with sensitive receptors is ideal.

Someone with 500ng/dl levels may perform at their peak whilst others might need 1200ng/dl levels for similar results. That’s obviously due to receptor sensitivity. It explains why some people blow up on 300mg of test whilst others need a gram

 

[160cmcurry]

Idk, androgen receptor sensitivity also makes a difference, and you need the correct dna that signals to your osteoblasts to form the right structures, Ive seen some models test their hormones and find out they have low T for example, and Ive seen plenty of incels test for high T

yeah that’s where environment comes in

my androgen receptors are extremely sensitive but my unsafe environment didn’t give me time to produce testosterone

many ethnics are like this in general

high androgen receptors but their bad high stress environment blunts them of t making any meaningful change

this is why you have these mismatches of grown bearded ethnics with soy voices

 

[Prøphet]

yeah that’s where environment comes in

my androgen receptors are extremely sensitive but my unsafe environment didn’t give me time to produce testosterone

many ethnics are like this in general

high androgen receptors but their bad high stress environment blunts them of t making any meaningful change

this is why you have these mismatches of grown bearded ethnics with soy voices

A lot of ethnics also have sensitive DHT receptors on the skin but not in the larynx, Indians for example always going bald and getting facial hair early but have incel voices and shitty T receptors in their bones

 

[polonaecel]

my features never ‘masculinized’ now that i think about it

@turkcelfatcel lifefuel for us latebloomers?

 

[160cmcurry]

IGF-1 is definitely more important than testosterone. Test will mainly contribute to muscle growth and secondary sexual characteristics while IGF-1 would stimulate actual bone growth for height, frame, jaw size ect.

Although your actual positioning of the bones is set in stone at birth. Puberty only really increases the size of everything. Your entire skull should grow proportionately

many people don’t realize how much environment determines whether testosterone actually produces meaningful structural change during development

even if you’re genetically coded to be masculine

dna doesn’t operate in a vacuum

genes set a range

but environment decides where in that range you land

a lot of men are biologically “meant” to look more robust, thicker bone structure, stronger facial dimorphism, broader frames

but that outcome assumes the body gets the right signals at the right time

stable nutrition, low chronic stress, good sleep, social safety, and consistent hormonal output are not optional extras. they’re requirements

without them, the blueprint never fully expresses

chronic stress, insecurity, or deprivation doesn’t just “lower t a bit”

it interrupts continuity

masculinization is cumulative

it needs years of uninterrupted signaling.

break that signal repeatedly, and development stalls

this is the reason why you have so many under masculinized men these days

you can see it from their bones and voice

 

[160cmcurry]

A lot of ethnics also have sensitive DHT receptors on the skin but not in the larynx, Indians for example always going bald and getting facial hair early but have incel voices and shitty T receptors in their bones

yeah

this guy’s a good example

lots of body hair

soy face

puberty doesn’t mean shit if your t levels aren’t surging high enough to make meaningful change

i know so many curries that look underdeveloped like this lmao

 

[turkcelfatcel]

@turkcelfatcel lifefuel for us latebloomers?

Our growth plates closed 3 years ago and puberty ended 2 years ago