Dammit why is everyone getting banned

[reptiles]

All the high quality dudes are getting banned hand me the rope

 

[fukmylyf]

stfu and make more philosophy threads

 

[Petsmart]

im never gonna get banned

 

[reptiles]

stfu and make more philosophy threads

See they actually require study and effort and uhhh I've been lazy today

 

[Krezo]

Debate ontological arguments with me

 

[reptiles]

Debate ontological arguments with me

On what topic really their are many fields

 

[Krezo]

On what topic really their are many fields

The existence of GOD

 

[reptiles]

The existence of GOD

Okay what view do you take are you an athiest ? monist idealist dualist or materialist

 

[Ritalincel]

 

[Krezo]

Okay what view do you take are you an athiest ? monist idealist dualist or materialist

Materialist tbh. But my main opposition for ontological arguments (to do with BEING) comes from the fact EXISTENCE is NOT a predicate (read Immanuel Kant)

 

[reptiles]

Materialist tbh. But my main opposition for ontological arguments (to do with BEING) comes from the fact EXISTENCE is NOT a predicate (read Immanuel Kant)

I mean depending on where you want to go into this the digital physics argument btfo primary phyicalism primary exisistance exists in this view but all things are information packets quantum data if 1 wills

 

[GenericChad1444]

 

[Krezo]

I mean depending on where you want to go into this the digital physics argument btfo primary phyicalism primary exisistance exists in this view but all things are information packets quantum data if 1 wills

Idealism is false. All that exists is matter and energy. Quantum fluctuations can cause sub-atomic particles to come in and out of EXISTENCE!!!

 

[Ritalincel]

 

[Deleted member 2205]

Okay what view do you take are you an athiest ? monist idealist dualist or materialist

Are you an Athiest? If so, what type?

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[Ritalincel]

 

[reptiles]

Idealism is false. All that exists is matter and energy. Quantum fluctuations can cause sub-atomic particles to come in and out of EXISTENCE!!!

Again if digital phyics would be correct than virtual particles coming in and out of exisistance would proof existence is emergent from information packets this kind of a conclusion can make sense in a idealist frame not so much in a materialist frame as the conceptions of nothing relies on the premise that that all things are phyical when digital phyics say not so we are more information data packets and we have well respected proffesors saying we live in some sort of a simulation program it's why we have quantum tunneling this should not make sense in a phyicalist frame work

Are you an Athiest? If so, what type?

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Me i'm a monist idealism

 

[Deleted member 2205]

Again if digital phyics would be correct than virtual particles coming in and out of exisistance would proof existence is emergent from information packets this kind of a conclusion can make sense in a idealist frame not so much in a materialist frame as the conceptions of nothing relies on the premise that that all things are phyical when digital phyics say not so we are more information data packets and we have well respected proffesors saying we live in some sort of a simulation program it's why we have quantum tunneling this should not make sense in a phyicalist frame work




Me i'm a monist idealism

What are your ideals then? Like do you it on this chart or not part of it?

 

[reptiles]

Gnostic thiest

 

[GenericChad1444]

 

[Ritalincel]

 

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[GenericChad1444]

 

[reptiles]

Here is the Aristotelian proof at least .


1That which has potential has a actualizer
2 before a particle in space time has a effect like for instance a potential going to an actual a pen going from potentially dropping to actually dropping by a physical force such as gravity it is always in a state of potential.
3 After a potential goes to an actual it is actualized by something prior.
4 this action happens continuously.
5 this is in a metaphysical sense rather than a law of physics while a law of physics describe a relation of the details of potential to change the metaphyics describes the conclusion of potential to change.
6 things cannot cause themselves in space time they always must be actualized by something prior.
7 this potential to change must be happening at the subatomic realms of reality continuously.
8 to avoid a infinite regress we get a being that is outside space time that fufills the function of moving this continually.
9 this happens continuously so it is not similar with the kalam this argument works regardless of how old the universe is.
10 god has no potential it is a being outside space time it is pure actual as the being we are referring to has no potential is outside space time and must necessarily exist to make sure exsistance is functioning on the basic level refer to the anthropic princaple as to why this is a rational universe.
11 God is uncreated he is not self created cause he has no potential so he is not in a state of actualization he is outside space time so he requires no creation in space time and his existence is sufficiently required to destroy an infinite regress.
C1 we live inside a rational universe it is constantly being moved by the uncreated creator.
C2 God exists and exsistance requires him to function.
QED god exists

@Krezo

 

[GenericChad1444]

Here is the Aristotelian proof at least .


1That which has potential has a actualizer
2 before a particle in space time has a effect like for instance a potential going to an actual a pen going from potentially dropping to actually dropping by a physical force such as gravity it is always in a state of potential.
3 After a potential goes to an actual it is actualized by something prior.
4 this action happens continuously.
5 this is in a metaphysical sense rather than a law of physics while a law of physics describe a relation of the details of potential to change the metaphyics describes the conclusion of potential to change.
6 things cannot cause themselves in space time they always must be actualized by something prior.
7 this potential to change must be happening at the subatomic realms of reality continuously.
8 to avoid a infinite regress we get a being that is outside space time that fufills the function of moving this continually.
9 this happens continuously so it is not similar with the kalam this argument works regardless of how old the universe is.
10 god has no potential it is a being outside space time it is pure actual as the being we are referring to has no potential is outside space time and must necessarily exist to make sure exsistance is functioning on the basic level refer to the anthropic princaple as to why this is a rational universe.
11 God is uncreated he is not self created cause he has no potential so he is not in a state of actualization he is outside space time so he requires no creation in space time and his existence is sufficiently required to destroy an infinite regress.
C1 we live inside a rational universe it is constantly being moved by the uncreated creator.
C2 God exists and exsistance requires him to function.
QED god exists

@Krezo

C1 we live inside a rational universe it is constantly being moved by the uncreated creator.

 

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