DeepSeek R1 quoting .org without me even mentioning it

[xnj]

So I was having a discussion with R1 about how and which hormones affect craniofacial development of each facial bone. Then I see this:

Fucking crazy how such (supposed) super-accurate ai used this forum as a source not once, but twice.
(not to say that .org is totally stupid, even though its mostly filled with greys, but its just associated with extreme shit and autism so it surprised the fuck out of me, but yes it does have some amazing discussions)

 

[cpedy]

I thought only doctors post here

 

[TechnoBoss]

@thecel

 

[segmt]

So I was having a discussion with R1 about how and which hormones affect craniofacial development of each facial bone. Then I see this:


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Fucking crazy how such (supposed) super-accurate ai used this forum not once, but twice.
(not to say that .org is totally stupid, even though its mostly filled with greys, but its just associated with extreme shit and autism so it surprised the fuck out of me)

Well makes sense because those types of things aren't discussed or uploaded as research papers (at least I couldn't find much) besides here, and good discussion definitely goes on if you ignore the shitposting

 

[thecel]

I think East Asians have more vertical growth bias in their faces

 

[xnj]

Well makes sense because those types of things aren't discussed or uploaded as research papers (at least I couldn't find much) besides here, and good discussion definitely goes on if you ignore the shitposting

facts, although tbh, there is a decent amount of research on shit that i was discussing. the thing that i see researched the least is precisely asians having flat maxillae, which made little sense to me before i found out e2 grows maxilla, and asians have lower e2.

 

[xnj]

I think East Asians have more vertical growth bias in their faces

tbh i most often see asians that are more squished, not narrow (unless im tripping)

 

[segmt]

facts, although tbh, there is a decent amount of research on shit that i was discussing. the thing that i see researched the least is precisely asians having flat maxillae, which made little sense to me before i found out e2 grows maxilla, and asians have lower e2.

Was trying to say in research papers and on the internet

Yeah and those craniofacial differences in growth (and precisely what creates those differences) aren't really researched. If you look it up it just says genetics, nothing else, no other theory, not much

DHT is also lower in asians, probably obvious from the lack of facial hair

Lower nasion I don't know at all. But the midface just looks very flat, and it kind of connects with the small mandible and the lack of brow ridge protrusion. In caucasoid skulls the middle of the face literally protrudes more (midface projection) and the eyes are more deep set

Asians have shallower set eyes so it worsens the already flat midface look. If asians had deep set eyes, their faces wouldn't look as flat, it would look more like a caucasoid skull with less forward growth, a flat nose, and a lower nose bridge/lower radix.

Not to mention the philtrum is so different, a lot of asians have bimaxillary prognathism, though some don't. So far I don't see the explanation for the high frequency of asians that have very shitty sparse and thin eyebrows and little eyelashes, for me it seems dark, full, and thick eyebrows are a common white trait.

It's also pretty commonly known the mandible is shorter on average, but again I think this is linked to the midface projection, because when the midface/maxilla comes more forward, the brow ridge, radix, and mandible naturally seem to have to go forward. But again it may be linked to overprojection. It's all theories atp

 

[xnj]

Was trying to say in research papers and on the internet

Yeah and those craniofacial differences in growth (and precisely what creates those differences) aren't really researched. If you look it up it just says genetics, nothing else, no other theory, not much

DHT is also lower in asians, probably obvious from the lack of facial hair

Lower nasion I don't know at all. But the midface just looks very flat, and it kind of connects with the small mandible and the lack of brow ridge protrusion. In caucasoid skulls the middle of the face literally protrudes more (midface projection) and the eyes are more deep set

Asians have shallower set eyes so it worsens the already flat midface look. If asians had deep set eyes, their faces wouldn't look as flat, it would look more like a caucasoid skull with less forward growth, a flat nose, and a lower nose bridge/lower radix.

Not to mention the philtrum is so different, a lot of asians have bimaxillary prognathism, though some don't. So far I don't see the explanation for the high frequency of asians that have very shitty sparse and thin eyebrows and little eyelashes, for me it seems dark, full, and thick eyebrows are a common white trait.

It's also pretty commonly known the mandible is shorter on average, but again I think this is linked to the midface projection, because when the midface/maxilla comes more forward, the brow ridge, radix, and mandible naturally seem to have to go forward. But again it may be linked to overprojection. It's all theories atp

yeah ts water to me atp, i researched this for quite a while. east asians just seem underdeveloped in all aspects, as they also have lowest levels of t, dht and e2 out of all races, hence the results.

 

[segmt]

yeah ts water to me atp, i researched this for quite a while. east asians just seem underdeveloped in all aspects, as they also have lowest levels of t, dht and e2 out of all races, hence the results.

Where does it say they have the lowest T? I couldn't find that. It's water that e2 is lower for asian women, dht lowewr for the whole race

Jfl yeah I digged for a while as wwell

 

[xnj]

Where does it say they have the lowest T? I couldn't find that. It's water that e2 is lower for asian women, dht lowewr for the whole race

Jfl yeah I digged for a while as wwell

it just kinda seems water, tbh they may not have the absolute lowest t, but it’s down there somewhere

 

[segmt]

it just kinda seems water, tbh they may not have the absolute lowest t, but it’s down there somewhere

Nah the shit I found just says their genetics (genetics again ofc) are just different
t levels are pretty much the same or higher sometimes from what I found
so T binds to the receptors and they express the genes, their genes would be bulky and wide cheekbones but flat midfaces and just bad flat faces

Thats obv not aesthetic if only those grow, so it doesn't work out to become an aesthetic face
Its like arabs who don't have the highest T but theyre hairy and have high nasions, and they look more masc than asians (because the masc ideal is literally a caucasoid forward grown face)

so at the end its just asians have unaesthetic genes, their whole race looks drastically different from the rest of the world. It makes sense they thought nordics and caucasians looked like monkeys and weird, and then now in basically everywhere besides east asia, everyone shares caucasian features. And with those caucasian features comes the ideal face for caucasoid skulls which is what looks theory is on

So their genes are just very different, and very far from the ideal, doesn't matter for them whatever T, dht, e2 they might have (unless for facial hair or balding), even if they had lots of T it might just make them have bulkier asian (mongolian) faces that aren't aesthetic

But this is just a theory again, if some asian had a shit ton of T with high androgen receptivity maybe they might turn out to look hypermasc or even have a white skull, jfl, but so far I haven't seen one.

I literally never saw a single asian roid user from their teens w/their facial growth associated with it, maybe that might do it? But roids working for facial bones is unlikely, itd barely work unnlness you start at like 13-14. And that's also speculation

 

[xnj]

Nah the shit I found just says their genetics (genetics again ofc)

same shit, i just had to kinda figure it out myself with logic

Its like arabs who don't have the highest T but theyre hairy

thats dht

But this is just a theory again, if some asian had a shit ton of T with high androgen receptivity maybe they might turn out to look hypermasc or even have a white skull, jfl, but so far I haven't seen one.

yeah true, the thing is that east asian countries (like korea, japan, china etc) have a lot of factors that suppress their test (and maybe the rest of hormones), so maybe, if someone hops on like all of that shit at once, they can become chang effortlessly

 

[xnj]

Nah the shit I found just says their genetics (genetics again ofc) are just different
t levels are pretty much the same or higher sometimes from what I found
so T binds to the receptors and they express the genes, their genes would be bulky and wide cheekbones but flat midfaces and just bad flat faces

Thats obv not aesthetic if only those grow, so it doesn't work out to become an aesthetic face
Its like arabs who don't have the highest T but theyre hairy and have high nasions, and they look more masc than asians (because the masc ideal is literally a caucasoid forward grown face)

so at the end its just asians have unaesthetic genes, their whole race looks drastically different from the rest of the world. It makes sense they thought nordics and caucasians looked like monkeys and weird, and then now in basically everywhere besides east asia, everyone shares caucasian features. And with those caucasian features comes the ideal face for caucasoid skulls which is what looks theory is on

So their genes are just very different, and very far from the ideal, doesn't matter for them whatever T, dht, e2 they might have (unless for facial hair or balding), even if they had lots of T it might just make them have bulkier asian (mongolian) faces that aren't aesthetic

But this is just a theory again, if some asian had a shit ton of T with high androgen receptivity maybe they might turn out to look hypermasc or even have a white skull, jfl, but so far I haven't seen one.

I literally never saw a single asian roid user from their teens w/their facial growth associated with it, maybe that might do it? But roids working for facial bones is unlikely, itd barely work unnlness you start at like 13-14. And that's also speculation

also dht derivatives paired with gh do indeed grow facial bones for quite a while, even at like 18, for example, i can grow a bigger browridge and other shit if i, say, hop on mast, test and gh/peptides

 

[segmt]

also dht derivatives paired with gh do indeed grow facial bones for quite a while, even at like 18, for example, i can grow a bigger browridge and other shit if i, say, hop on mast, test and gh/peptides

Yeah but also increasing bone age

jfl in korea they prescribe you gh if you pay enough money. And they still don't have good bones.

 

[xnj]

Yeah but also increasing bone age

jfl in korea they prescribe you gh if you pay enough money. And they still don't have good bones.

thats cause endocrinologists, at least in the us, usually prescribe people low doses of any major hormone