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Original thread by “Bummer Drummer”
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I'm sick of hearing the same 5 or 6 arguments from liberal or apolitical incels (many ethnic nationalists who hate white people which is pretty hypocritical) who are attacking the far right incel userbase of this site. It's the same arguments, so why not just destroy them all in one coherent thread? You can post this to them instead of arguing. If you have these opinions, please see the response that I make and atleast try seeing where I'm coming from. If you are a apoliticalcel also read this thread and hopefully it convinces you to be political, to be identitarian or far right or national socialist.
Argument #1: "Your race/your community/your people hate you"
By far the most common argument against white nationalism, national socialism, or even being reactionary is "Your people/race/culture hate you!". First of all, how can a people hate somebody? A whole people hates me? and in those people, who are they? Antifa? Liberals? Normans who are apolitical? Those people do not have my ideals or any other far right ideals. Why do I care? I would have them flogged. Also, what about the white incels who are also alt right here? Aren't they white? Don't they like me? People have this misconception white identitarianism goes to the entire race. If youve ever read white nationalist literature you would know white liberals or anyone not white nationalist would be killed too. I don't agree with a BBC sissy cuckold just because I want to preserve my race. He is attacking my race (despite being white).
Secondly, the person/race/community is me. Most white nationalists (spoiler alert) are white. it is a survival thing. We are being attacked constantly by the new world order. Do you see the immigration? They want to kill us, displace us etc. and it's pretty obvious if you look at literally any Advertisement, social justice post, government statement, etc. Even if EVERY SINGLE person of my race (who lacks en masse racial consciousness so how does that even happen?) hated me, I'm still white. I still have my ancestors and my heritage. And immigrants, the jews, blacks, still want to kill white people. When the US becomes 10% white and my house is surrouned by BLM am I suppose to say "It's ok guys, some ethnic on an incel forum told me my race hates me!".
Argument #2: "Society hates you! Why are you on their side?"
This is more for regular nationalists but I'll still debunk it anyway. You do like the concept of your nation but not the way its heading or has headed. Most nationalists are actually insurrectionary because they understand their nation (heritage and values) are being eroded. being a nationalist simply means you like the concept of your nation and its foundation. French nationalists longing to go back to the politics and social attitudes of the french revolution for example, or American nationalists wanting to go back to a "golden age" like the 50's. I don't think I need to explain why I hate society but I can guarantee you it is the furthest from right wing you can get as of currently.
Argument #3: "You are simping for Aryan women/Women/you're a tradcuck/something about women."
Unlike the last 2 arguments I don't really know where this one came from, my guess is that this was astroturfed to the further right after the whole conservative tradthot lauren southern problem. I should say that most far right (note: NOT regular right i.e conservatives or nationalists) see women as stupid and they want to repeal women's rights (see white sharia). The "tradthot" problem is not far right but is more align with conservatism and nationalism and regular right wing politics. This is why a majority of right wing organizations are entirely men.
Argument #4: "Well if (facists/whitenationalists/nazis/etc.) cared about you, they would throw foids your way!"
This assumes that they are in power when they are not. It should not be a surprise to you that the Nazi party of America, with 5,000 members, cannot give its members foids to fuck. That's because it's a small 5,000 member group (90-95-99% male) and not the nation. When they do get into power this argument can be used, but it will not need to be used as these ideologies when they get into power will distribute women as per their manifesto points.
Argument #5: Eugenicism. "Well you're subhuman/you support eugenics/nazis are eugenicists etc."
This argument comes from historical revisionism and a grouping of the far right. The nazis were not really eugenic, I mean one look at their cabinet will tell you that. They were against the mentally disabled though, and so am I (Not against, but I do think those who are literally incapable of motor function and who are vegetated/brain dead should be given a peaceful death because they're practically not alive in the first place and its the right thing to do). Even if the nazis were insanely eugenicist and really did want only blonde hair blue eye 6'7 giants and they killed everyone else, that still doesn't take away non nazi far right groups. I mean even fascism in its form doesn't advocate for eugenics, and neither does certain sects of national socialism. It definitely doesn't come near white nationalism either. You are conflating the nazis to mean every single hyper right wing group, something liberals frequently do.
Argument #6: "The jews won/it's no use fighting the tide"
go tranny then. If you think the jews have won and its over go tranny. That's the end goal. Or kill yourself. I mean you can say "waaah the jews won just lay down and take it up the ass like a good goy" but I don't want to do that. I'd rather not. I think the eternal struggle is eternal, and if you think the jews won then why not just be a tranny liberal? You think they won, no point fighting right?
And with that last sentence I will actually leave off on this. All of these arguments are to an extent astroturfed by progressives, especially arguments 1 and 5, and it's kind of weird to see something that I expect to see on buzzfeed or vice be argued about on here. It really does make you think...What else on this forum could have a progressive or liberal origin? You're not ready for that, but I can tell you that there's more progressive and liberal influence here than you like to think.
Destroying liberal incels arguments against being far right/white nationalist/"stormfrontcel"
I'm sick of hearing the same 5 or 6 arguments from liberal or apolitical incels (many ethnic nationalists who hate white people which is pretty hypocritical) who are attacking the far right incel userbase of this site. It's the same arguments, so why not just destroy them all in one coherent...
incels.is
I'm sick of hearing the same 5 or 6 arguments from liberal or apolitical incels (many ethnic nationalists who hate white people which is pretty hypocritical) who are attacking the far right incel userbase of this site. It's the same arguments, so why not just destroy them all in one coherent thread? You can post this to them instead of arguing. If you have these opinions, please see the response that I make and atleast try seeing where I'm coming from. If you are a apoliticalcel also read this thread and hopefully it convinces you to be political, to be identitarian or far right or national socialist.
Argument #1: "Your race/your community/your people hate you"
By far the most common argument against white nationalism, national socialism, or even being reactionary is "Your people/race/culture hate you!". First of all, how can a people hate somebody? A whole people hates me? and in those people, who are they? Antifa? Liberals? Normans who are apolitical? Those people do not have my ideals or any other far right ideals. Why do I care? I would have them flogged. Also, what about the white incels who are also alt right here? Aren't they white? Don't they like me? People have this misconception white identitarianism goes to the entire race. If youve ever read white nationalist literature you would know white liberals or anyone not white nationalist would be killed too. I don't agree with a BBC sissy cuckold just because I want to preserve my race. He is attacking my race (despite being white).
Secondly, the person/race/community is me. Most white nationalists (spoiler alert) are white. it is a survival thing. We are being attacked constantly by the new world order. Do you see the immigration? They want to kill us, displace us etc. and it's pretty obvious if you look at literally any Advertisement, social justice post, government statement, etc. Even if EVERY SINGLE person of my race (who lacks en masse racial consciousness so how does that even happen?) hated me, I'm still white. I still have my ancestors and my heritage. And immigrants, the jews, blacks, still want to kill white people. When the US becomes 10% white and my house is surrouned by BLM am I suppose to say "It's ok guys, some ethnic on an incel forum told me my race hates me!".
Argument #2: "Society hates you! Why are you on their side?"
This is more for regular nationalists but I'll still debunk it anyway. You do like the concept of your nation but not the way its heading or has headed. Most nationalists are actually insurrectionary because they understand their nation (heritage and values) are being eroded. being a nationalist simply means you like the concept of your nation and its foundation. French nationalists longing to go back to the politics and social attitudes of the french revolution for example, or American nationalists wanting to go back to a "golden age" like the 50's. I don't think I need to explain why I hate society but I can guarantee you it is the furthest from right wing you can get as of currently.
Argument #3: "You are simping for Aryan women/Women/you're a tradcuck/something about women."
Unlike the last 2 arguments I don't really know where this one came from, my guess is that this was astroturfed to the further right after the whole conservative tradthot lauren southern problem. I should say that most far right (note: NOT regular right i.e conservatives or nationalists) see women as stupid and they want to repeal women's rights (see white sharia). The "tradthot" problem is not far right but is more align with conservatism and nationalism and regular right wing politics. This is why a majority of right wing organizations are entirely men.
Argument #4: "Well if (facists/whitenationalists/nazis/etc.) cared about you, they would throw foids your way!"
This assumes that they are in power when they are not. It should not be a surprise to you that the Nazi party of America, with 5,000 members, cannot give its members foids to fuck. That's because it's a small 5,000 member group (90-95-99% male) and not the nation. When they do get into power this argument can be used, but it will not need to be used as these ideologies when they get into power will distribute women as per their manifesto points.
Argument #5: Eugenicism. "Well you're subhuman/you support eugenics/nazis are eugenicists etc."
This argument comes from historical revisionism and a grouping of the far right. The nazis were not really eugenic, I mean one look at their cabinet will tell you that. They were against the mentally disabled though, and so am I (Not against, but I do think those who are literally incapable of motor function and who are vegetated/brain dead should be given a peaceful death because they're practically not alive in the first place and its the right thing to do). Even if the nazis were insanely eugenicist and really did want only blonde hair blue eye 6'7 giants and they killed everyone else, that still doesn't take away non nazi far right groups. I mean even fascism in its form doesn't advocate for eugenics, and neither does certain sects of national socialism. It definitely doesn't come near white nationalism either. You are conflating the nazis to mean every single hyper right wing group, something liberals frequently do.
Argument #6: "The jews won/it's no use fighting the tide"
go tranny then. If you think the jews have won and its over go tranny. That's the end goal. Or kill yourself. I mean you can say "waaah the jews won just lay down and take it up the ass like a good goy" but I don't want to do that. I'd rather not. I think the eternal struggle is eternal, and if you think the jews won then why not just be a tranny liberal? You think they won, no point fighting right?
And with that last sentence I will actually leave off on this. All of these arguments are to an extent astroturfed by progressives, especially arguments 1 and 5, and it's kind of weird to see something that I expect to see on buzzfeed or vice be argued about on here. It really does make you think...What else on this forum could have a progressive or liberal origin? You're not ready for that, but I can tell you that there's more progressive and liberal influence here than you like to think.
