Determinism is cope

[laaltin]

I forge my own destiny

 

[FelixBrown]

I forge my own destiny

Who you are is determined solely by two things - genetics and environment. From the day you were born, every aspect of your life was predetermined - your looks, your level of intelligence, your personality and your position in society. What exactly do you mean by "I forge my own destiny"?

 

[Deleted member 107111]

 

[laaltin]

Who you are is determined solely by two things - genetics and environment. From the day you were born, every aspect of your life was predetermined - your looks, your level of intelligence, your personality and your position in society. What exactly do you mean by "I forge my own destiny"?

There's a difference between casual determinism and stochastic determinsim

 

[FelixBrown]

There's a difference between casual determinism and stochastic determinsim

I am a supporter of causal determinism, stochastic determinism sounds like something contradictory.

 

[laaltin]

I am a supporter of causal determinism

If only the universe was that simple

 

[Deleted member 117431]

I forge my own destiny

whats ur destiny

 

[laaltin]

whats ur destiny

My freewill to choose things within the constraints of my reality/circumstance

 

[Deleted member 117431]

My freewill to choose things within the constraints of my reality/circumstance

so it was determines u have limits. brutal

 

[laaltin]

so it was determines u have limits. brutal

Yes

 

[Deleted member 117431]

Yes

#blackpill

 

[laaltin]

#blackpill

The randomness disproves hard determinsim

 

[Deleted member 117431]

The randomness disproves hard determinsim

how do u know its random

 

[laaltin]

how do u know its random

life altering accidents, chance meetings etc. that change the course of life.. things like that.

 

[Deleted member 117431]

life altering accidents, chance meetings etc. that change the course of life.. things like that.

are you speaking from personal experience?

 

[laaltin]

are you speaking from personal experience?

It's true in general. Casual determinism is too simple to encapsulate life. There are factors like luck, feedback loops, external inputs etc. that add complexity. Look into probabilistic determinism if it interests you. There's some space for agency/freedom in life, it's not completely predetermined like the blackpill claims it to be.

 

[Deleted member 117431]

It's true in general. Casual determinism is too simple to encapsulate life. There are factors like luck, feedback loops, external inputs etc. that add complexity. Look into probabilistic determinism if it interests you. There's some space for agency/freedom in life, it's not completely predetermined like the blackpill claims it to be.

what if a stalker is dictating your life?

 

[FelixBrown]

life altering accidents, chance meetings etc. that change the course of life.. things like that.

I don't see how any of this disproves causal determinism. I would say that every event has antecedents that could explain it, but some things are simply too complex for humanity to explain by causality, and so it's easier to look at them through the prism of probability.

 

[laaltin]

I don't see how any of this disproves causal determinism. I would say that every event has antecedents that could explain it, but some things are simply too complex for humanity to explain by causality, and so it's easier to look at them through the prism of probability.

In a classical sense, yes. How do you reconcile casual determinism with modern physics?

 

[FelixBrown]

In a classical sense, yes. How do you reconcile casual determinism with modern physics?

I have no idea, I am ignorant on this matter, I only support causal determinism because it makes the most sense to me.

 

[longjohnmong]

Who you are is determined solely by two things - genetics and environment. From the day you were born, every aspect of your life was predetermined - your looks, your level of intelligence, your personality and your position in society. What exactly do you mean by "I forge my own destiny"?

wrong. the entire universe was created around the platonic form of me.

 

[laaltin]

I have no idea, I am ignorant on this matter, I only support causal determinism because it makes the most sense to me.

Quantum physics says on the most microscopic level, events are probabilistic (Heisenberg uncertainity principle, double-slit experiment). However, on a macroscopic level, we observe the universe is governed by deterministic laws of classical physics. I’m not a scientist but my takeaway has been the quantum probabilities average out on macro level and this gives the way for emergent determinism (the deterministic classical laws of physics are close approximations of reality on a macroscopic level). On a quantum level however, it’s almost impossible to present a case for hard determinism nowadays.

 

[FelixBrown]

Quantum physics says on the most microscopic level, events are probabilistic (Heisenberg uncertainity principle, double-slit experiment). However, on a macroscopic level, we observe the universe is governed by deterministic laws of classical physics. I’m not a scientist but my takeaway has been the quantum probabilities average out on macro level and this gives the way for emergent determinism (the deterministic classical laws of physics are close approximations of reality on a macroscopic level). On a quantum level however, it’s almost impossible to present a case for hard determinism nowadays.

Yes, that makes sense. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle says that it is impossible to measure both the position and momentum of a particle precisely, so we can look at the particle through the prism of probability, but I don't think that the inability to predict the future necessarily means that the future is not predetermined even at the quantum level, does it? My point is that the future has been predetermined in one way or another since the beginning of time, which doesn't necessarily mean that humans or anyone else can predict it, and so, as I've written before, it often makes more sense to look at reality through the prism of probability than to try to find some kind of causal relationship.