Determinism is so awesome

[vanillaicecream]

I can just say I'm the result of the circumstances I was put it, I have zero control over how i turned out and things couldn't be any different, everything is an inevitable outcome of the past. Hahahaha, best realization ever

 

[fiachra]

Instinctively I don't fully believe in either free will or deteminism, but I know both exist in a way I haven't been able to fully rationalise or put in words. It's a seemingly contradictory position but at the same if full determinism was real then you could make a theory for predicting everything. Then you could topple it by doing the opposite of what it says will happen.

 

[vanillaicecream]

Instinctively I don't fully believe in either free will or deteminism, but I know both exist in a way I haven't been able to fully rationalise or put in words. It's a seemingly contradictory position but at the same if full determinism was real then you could make a theory for predicting everything. Then you could topple it by doing the opposite of what it says will happen.

The universe is definitely deterministic at a macro level, we just can't predict everything because some systems involve chaos and are too complex but it still doesn't negate ontological determinism, it's just an epistemic issue. But I think the free will you believe in that can be reconciled with determinism is when you can act according to your internal desires, but it still doesn't mean you can do anything other than what you do

 

[Julian23]

Low T

 

[fiachra]

The universe is definitely deterministic at a macro level, we just can't predict everything because some systems involve chaos and are too complex but it still doesn't negate ontological determinism, it's just an epistemic issue. But I think the free will you believe in that can be reconciled with determinism is when you can act according to your internal desires, but it still doesn't mean you can do anything other than what you do

I think even when discussing free will I would not consider that there is one will to anyone. There must be competing wills within one body. Conscious mind is only one will, there are things like instinct, intuition, your body as whole, etc. that do what they do regardless of what you think or want. It's literally impossible to will your heart into stopping for example. It was strange for me to realise this. That the "me" was only a small part of who I am and that this conscious "me" isn't necessarily in control. That I existed even before my brain was fully formed and before my earliest memory. That if my body suddenly decided to shit itself and do a terrible job at regulating heartbeat, blood pressure, hormones, etc. there is very little "I" myself can do.

 

[vanillaicecream]

I think even when discussing free will I would not consider that there is one will to anyone. There must be competing wills within one body. Conscious mind is only one will, there are things like instinct, intuition, your body as whole, etc. that do what they do regardless of what you think or want. It's literally impossible to will your heart into stopping for example. It was strange for me to realise this. That the "me" was only a small part of who I am and that this conscious "me" isn't necessarily in control. That I existed even before my brain was fully formed and before my earliest memory. That if my body suddenly decided to shit itself and do a terrible job at regulating heartbeat, blood pressure, hormones, etc. there is very little "I" myself can do.

I'd say there's only the will of nature, all systems of nature are just fulfilling the roles ascribed to them by nature and they cannot act outside these pre-defined parameters. You can't have your own separate and independent will if everything that happens is a manifestation of nature, we can't transcend physical laws. Choices and decisions are just necessary effects of external causes.

 

[STAMPEDE]

I believe im subhuman

 

[toji.]

To some extent, I agree with determinism. However, I firmly believe that the possible causes and their derived effects are infinite, to the point that it becomes extremely complex to claim that every decision is entirely determined by a prior one. I find it more reasonable to speak of event probabilities in the context of prior causes. For example: "It is much more likely that you are A because of B."

Since we live in a quasi-infinite sequence of events, anything could happen, including things that seemingly lack a cause. Or does everything have a cause? Consider the case of a particle that shifts position when observed, within a horizon of infinite possibilities in its range. Is that change truly causal?

 

[vanillaicecream]

To some extent, I agree with determinism. However, I firmly believe that the possible causes and their derived effects are infinite, to the point that it becomes extremely complex to claim that every decision is entirely determined by a prior one. I find it more reasonable to speak of event probabilities in the context of prior causes. For example: "It is much more likely that you are A because of B."

Since we live in a quasi-infinite sequence of events, anything could happen, including things that seemingly lack a cause. Or does everything have a cause? Consider the case of a particle that shifts position when observed, within a horizon of infinite possibilities in its range. Is that change truly causal?

>However, I firmly believe that the possible causes and their derived effects are infinite


Technically no, causal variables X will always cause effect Y under determinism, it's just that there can a very complex interplay of factors that go into the causal variables but if the same causal variables are set in motion then the effect can only be the one. If you have a thought that drives your decision, that specific thought was a necessary effect of the input variables from the pattern in which your neurons fired, it's complex but you can only think what you think. The definite state of particles in large scale systems lock in on only one possible outcome. There's an immense variability of causes and effects as a whole, but specific causal variables can only lead to a specific effect.

 

[BProdigy]

Determinism best philosophy. Represents our world the most accurate in my opinion

 

[Jason Voorhees]

It's a beautiful day in this neighborhood A beautiful day for a neighbor

 

[XxW33dSm0k3rxX]

Yes it’s perfect vaccine against everything. “If I didnt do it, its because it was impossible for me” hahaha

 

[vanillaicecream]

Yes it’s perfect vaccine against everything. “If I didnt do it, its because it was impossible for me” hahaha

Can't do anything if the causal variables aren't set in motion. Only nature can do this.